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A distant third when it comes to reasons why poll tax was abandoned
Firstly the Tories knew with absolute certainty that they would lose the next election if they kept it, and secondly so many people simply wouldn't pay that local government was going to default, in effect become bankrupt. I'm not actually sure whether the riots, such as they were, didn't actually help the tories electorally, they may have.
On a personal level my finances improved hugely when poll tax was scrapped, I went from just about getting by to having cash left over.
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Tesco and the like put an end to that short sighted fallacy.
Yeah but the French probably don't know that
How do cretins like Lee Anderson get public office? He’s such a rancid cnut.
Boris Johnson fails to hand over mobile with crucial Covid WhatsApps before inquiry deadline
Device containing Covid-era messages up until May 2021 remains in former PM’s possession
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-covid-inquiry-whatsapps-b2372638.html
Device containing Covid-era messages up until May 2021 remains in former PM’s possession
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-covid-inquiry-whatsapps-b2372638.html
Yeah pretty much, I was trying to word it in the politest way possible. A nation of ***** happy to let a small handful of posh people run everything.
Also indicative of how broken british politics is that 5 years ago he was a spad for a Labour MP and a local Labour councillor.
The entire political structure from top to bottom is infested with utter chancers who believe in nothing but their own enrichment.
Not serfs, not citizens, but officially 'subjects'... of the prevailing monarch.
I know his party is stuffed to the rafters with cnuts, but he comes across as possibly the biggest of them all as in he seems like he is insufferably obnoxious in his private life too.
This (the Johnsons and Trumps and Moggs/Farages of the world). Many more of that variety. Carefully planned caricatures, PR focus group personality cutouts, Machieavellian, which Punch and Judy like, then plays through the organs of media as "anti-establishment". The anti-establishment figures tend not to be cited in the media at all, imprisoned, or otherwise targetted (not for wrong-doing, but for general dissident writings). Now it's algorithmic downplaying of this or that person's content and amplification of someone else's. Shepherding into siloes and so on (just establishment led ideological echo-chambers for the most part). That's what Trump is. It's what DeSantis is and it's what the Tory party, and the Labour party, mostly, has/have always been (after a specific cut-off date in socio-political history). Ballot, which is establishment, is dead, and so those who are on it frame themselves as anti-establishment ballot choices. The last punch-judy act of a dying system.
Our version of MTG. Our politics is in the gutter.
MET giving a good account of itself. Politicians not happy that people are actually using their right to protest, now trying to triangulate the problem between police-force, public law, and various public ideological groupings prone to attacking this or tha institution.
It's funny because if a public figure called Lee Anderson a knobhead, he and his colleagues would be out in force acting like it was incredibly rude and unprofessional.
It's always amazing how these twats can be scum of the earth 99% of the time, and then suddenly have morals and etiquette when they're the target of offense.
Nice. I’m still surprised at how popular he is considering the last few years.
Perhaps I'm being too kind but I just assume these prats are trying to gain public recognition. All they want is to be talked about so that they can get a job on the likes of GB News. Lee Anderson in recent months has constantly been in the news for this and that and he's probably best ignored entirely.
He already has a job on GB News. Despite being an MP that said MPs don’t need second jobs.
Spoiler alert: he lied and continued to lie and was hoisted by his own petard.
It's good she's getting a full MP salary whilst spending her days writing fan fiction about her Johnson.
Another WTAF moment.
Gove’s department hands back £1.9bn meant to tackle England’s housing crisis
Exclusive: Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities returning money to Treasury after struggling to find projects to spend it on
https://www.theguardian.com/society...back-19bn-meant-tackle-england-housing-crisis
Gove’s department hands back £1.9bn meant to tackle England’s housing crisis
Exclusive: Department for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities returning money to Treasury after struggling to find projects to spend it on
https://www.theguardian.com/society...back-19bn-meant-tackle-england-housing-crisis
Jonny Mercer's wife has been earning her state-funded £40k per year salary of late.
Is there any other country where the press and government have such a destructive relationship?
Sunak was at a party hosted by The Spectator this week and it got me thinking. What other country does this happen?
Sunak was at a party hosted by The Spectator this week and it got me thinking. What other country does this happen?
Probably most of them tbh. We just used to have a veneer of respectability when it came to our internal politics which has now been utterly destroyed by the Tories.
America
That Dowden fella really does my head in. His mouth opens like a cartoon character.
He looks like every Coronation Street baddie ever.
Perhaps. But I’ve not seen see their government as beholden to the press like our’s. Look at how many government officials, ministers and MPs are former press officers or journalists, it’s crazy. It seems to be a unique British phenomenon.
Some guy founded a slavishly loyal, and totally hateful, news channel, and then was nominated to the (upper house) of parliament by the ruling party. It's basically Radio Rwanda in terms of hate, this article has some of the milder things they've said.
Ya that's a different - in India all channels follow the ruling party/central government, not the other way around.
Yeah. That’s the thing. In most countries, the government has some sort of control or influence on the media. Here, it’s upside down. Media barons choose the government and control it.
The beautiful side show of large swathes of the UK finally realising who their constituency MP’s are, ahead of a general election is quite the show.
So many people that blindly tick a party box with no concept of who they were voting in at a local level was always astonishing.
With a limp dick or empty suit on the ballot next time, I think we’ll see lots of principled votes from many who have recently woken up to the ghoul that’s in their constituency seat, and a dramatic reduction in dumb vote casting.
These are all distractions at this point. In the same interview he started the narrative about why it would be unfair to give public sector workers a "fair" pay rise this year and they're going to ignore the same pay review body they've hidden behind in the past to feck us over.
Starmer will be absolutely outraged that Hunt beat him to it. Rupert will have a bunch of missed call notifications when he wakes up in the morning.
I'm not massively clued up on politics or the day to day goings on, but I'd like to know what the expectation is for the next election? I'm in my mid 30s and the country feels like its literally fallen to bits under the Tories. This is the worst I've ever known it and its terrifying to think of what will be left for the next generations.
Is everyone else in agreement that it feels like the last however many years have just been absolutely shite? One thing after another with these cnuts in charge. I've just been skimming through the last 10 or 15 pages of this thread and when you see and hear them getting torn apart by journalists or other MPs, almost on a daily basis, it really hammers home how amateur hour it has got in UK politics.
Is everyone else in agreement that it feels like the last however many years have just been absolutely shite? One thing after another with these cnuts in charge. I've just been skimming through the last 10 or 15 pages of this thread and when you see and hear them getting torn apart by journalists or other MPs, almost on a daily basis, it really hammers home how amateur hour it has got in UK politics.
15 years. A few short of Thatcher/Major combined. With not a single policy worth mentioning, or positive effect to society, macro trends or not, over that time period. It's been the worst government in British history. I'd like to see contendors. How the feck they managed 15 years is itself a condemnation of British politics. Miliband/Cameron was the British ballot, centrist, 10 years after it had failed in the Bush/Kerry 2004 election (giving way to Obama/Palin dichotomies, and then to Trump). The post-economic-crash landscape was not reacted to, at all, by the British establishment except by Brown, if you really think about it. Quantitative Easing is Brown's Government's response. Austerity, entirely, and above and beyond all other nations I know of with comparable exposure (liabilities in that crisis, European), Scottish indepdenence, Brexit, and the complete shafting of every public institution via selling off and underfunding over that period and then citing austerity (tighten the belt - post office, which made golden lane tory contractors a killing, because it was a profit making business, sold well below its value in first few offerings, in the first place) at every turn.
Universal Credit. Benefit Street normalized. Home Secretaries habitually tagging along for photo opportunities with police force targeting migrants and drug addicts. The erection of a fascist-welcoming apparatus in the absence, post-Corbyn, of any actual socialist threat. It's worse, socially, than Germany was in the 1920s (not after NAZI party, but before it). Germany had a legitimate civil war scenario between the genuine socialists, Luxemberg, 10s, etc., who they killed, the centrist Kaizer-light (whatever his name was that came after), and then that group which Hitler and the Brown Shirts later turned into the Nazis during the late 20s (and most notably in the early 30s as they gained legitimacy). The struggle, not to use Hitler's term, 20s Germany, did exist (it just wasn't Hitler's mad attempt at pretending he was the centre of it).
People say it's an overreaction to cite totalitarianism/fascism, but it's not. Early 20s Germany, when it rebounds, is somewhat liberal, etc., no support for far right parties, at all (zero, you have to go to the 30s for that swing) was forged in a climate of post-actual-War and pre-worse-depression than the 2008 crisis.
Morally bankrupt, fiscally bankrupt, ethically non-existent, and, barring gay marriage, which was a trend across Europe (but give them that), nothing worth remembering. Worthless people doing damaging things. 15 years.Moving the UK closer to a failed US model of complete social farce, after the US, itself, has, via the orthodoxy of the Dem/GOP (not fringe/Trump of that GOP side) pivoted from it. A complete joke. Imagine, then, blaming Corbyn for Brexit (a Tory backbench, poxy gentlemen's club, economic agenda). And getting the media, totalitarian creep, plus some people, to go along with it. These are spoofers. Chancers with Etonian accents.
Thatcher studied a specific form of economic agenda which I don't agree with but she and her cabinet weren't a bunch of complete fecking idiots playing schoolboy games.
The Olympics, a Blair-Brown legacy iirc, that bid, and gay marriage. Then the slow demise of everything good about the UK. The worst government of all time.
Starmer knows he has the election won by default. He's doing as much as he can to alienate the labour base, knowing they'll either stay home or vote for the cnut with gritted teeth, whilst peeling off middle and right(ish) Tories with every single statement he makes. But what is the ethos of the labour manifesto? Buzzwords, Thick of It policies, and more of the same minus a veneer. The country has gone to absolute shit. It has potential but there is no vision there and what vision there is lacks complete substance in terms of how to implement it.
Universal Credit. Benefit Street normalized. Home Secretaries habitually tagging along for photo opportunities with police force targeting migrants and drug addicts. The erection of a fascist-welcoming apparatus in the absence, post-Corbyn, of any actual socialist threat. It's worse, socially, than Germany was in the 1920s (not after NAZI party, but before it). Germany had a legitimate civil war scenario between the genuine socialists, Luxemberg, 10s, etc., who they killed, the centrist Kaizer-light (whatever his name was that came after), and then that group which Hitler and the Brown Shirts later turned into the Nazis during the late 20s (and most notably in the early 30s as they gained legitimacy). The struggle, not to use Hitler's term, 20s Germany, did exist (it just wasn't Hitler's mad attempt at pretending he was the centre of it).
People say it's an overreaction to cite totalitarianism/fascism, but it's not. Early 20s Germany, when it rebounds, is somewhat liberal, etc., no support for far right parties, at all (zero, you have to go to the 30s for that swing) was forged in a climate of post-actual-War and pre-worse-depression than the 2008 crisis.
Morally bankrupt, fiscally bankrupt, ethically non-existent, and, barring gay marriage, which was a trend across Europe (but give them that), nothing worth remembering. Worthless people doing damaging things. 15 years.Moving the UK closer to a failed US model of complete social farce, after the US, itself, has, via the orthodoxy of the Dem/GOP (not fringe/Trump of that GOP side) pivoted from it. A complete joke. Imagine, then, blaming Corbyn for Brexit (a Tory backbench, poxy gentlemen's club, economic agenda). And getting the media, totalitarian creep, plus some people, to go along with it. These are spoofers. Chancers with Etonian accents.
Thatcher studied a specific form of economic agenda which I don't agree with but she and her cabinet weren't a bunch of complete fecking idiots playing schoolboy games.
The Olympics, a Blair-Brown legacy iirc, that bid, and gay marriage. Then the slow demise of everything good about the UK. The worst government of all time.
Starmer knows he has the election won by default. He's doing as much as he can to alienate the labour base, knowing they'll either stay home or vote for the cnut with gritted teeth, whilst peeling off middle and right(ish) Tories with every single statement he makes. But what is the ethos of the labour manifesto? Buzzwords, Thick of It policies, and more of the same minus a veneer. The country has gone to absolute shit. It has potential but there is no vision there and what vision there is lacks complete substance in terms of how to implement it.
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I think there is a very dangerous combination of arrogance and complacency in this country. People have been so comfortable for so long and just assume that we have reached a standard of society which it’s not possible to regress from.
The reason this country is comfortable and prosperous is because we valued the infrastructure it was built on. NHS, Education etc and they are being purposely sabotaged so capitalists can pillage them. We have an incredibly malicious government right now which is beholden to right wing think tanks who are essentially run by disaster capitalists. Everything bad that is happening right now is by design because one man’s loss is another man’s profit and they are doing all they can to make sure the public lose as much as possible.
They've just pillaged the country for cash and wealth. That's the game, enrich themselves and their mates, reduce our liberties to protest and leave the country an absolute state.