Westminster Politics

Walrus said:
I was thinking the other day - the Lib Dem’s fecked their voters back in the day with student loans, and they got decimated. A generation grew up largely refusing to vote Lib Dem again for a long time, it meant LDs went from a consistent “third party” to being on the absolute fringes.

I imagine the Tories now. There are literal entire generations who will likely NEVER vote conservative, after everything in the last few years/decade. What possible way back is there now for the tories? This could very well be the last time we see a conservative government in this country.
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Tories only need just over a third of the popular vote to retain power because the system is rigged in their favour. They've been doing everything they can to rig it further through gerrymandering and voter suppression.

A few years out of power and a media pile on blaming Labour for the state the Tories left the country will see them returning squeaky clean with a new leader and brand.

Only way to be rid of them for sure is a move to a PR voting system where they can't game elections.
 
TheGame said:
Twat. The people voted for him and Boris made 29 year old a Lord.

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He is basically exposing the tories mentality that they think young people shouldn't be taken seriously..

Something people should be made more aware of but unfortunately the majority of the public are more concerned by life changing topics like bbc staff personal lives, the boats and where fargage banks.
 
Dumbstar said:
Just shows how thick Tory voters are in general, regardless of elevated education or wealth. They will literally cut their nose to spite their face. Maga-lite.
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It would be worse if Labour were in government! is the usual response from these fecking morons
 
Bert_ said:
Tories only need just over a third of the popular vote to retain power because the system is rigged in their favour. They've been doing everything they can to rig it further through gerrymandering and voter suppression.

A few years out of power and a media pile on blaming Labour for the state the Tories left the country will see them returning squeaky clean with a new leader and brand.

Only way to be rid of them for sure is a move to a PR voting system where they can't game elections.
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There is gerrymandering in the UK?
 


How this guy gets regular mainstream media coverage without a single word mentioned about the accusations of anti semitism against him being mentioned is beyond me.
 
TheGame said:
They are stupid to be taking shots at ULEZ especially if they've backed it. They just need to accept its a protest vote and move on from it instead of making a meal about it and causing internal divisions.
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They can't risk having a policy though, a slippery slope into a manifesto before you know it!
 
Sweet Square said:
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This is the same old bullshit that Starmer has to deal with. It is right to say yhat ULEZ expansion had an impact on this seat. Starmer hasn't said it should be scrapped, he has asked Khan to reflect on the outcome and the reason. This is alway a sensible thing to do when you get a direct response from the populous, but the press and the ABL brigade are calling it a U-Turn. This is what Labour is up against.
 
Mart1974 said:
This is the same old bullshit that Starmer has to deal with. It is right to say yhat ULEZ expansion had an impact on this seat. Starmer hasn't said it should be scrapped, he has asked Khan to reflect on the outcome and the reason. This is alway a sensible thing to do when you get a direct response from the populous, but the press and the ABL brigade are calling it a U-Turn. This is what Labour is up against.
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Exactly. And it is pretty obvious that the right wing Tory press see this type of thing as a really easy way to discredit Starmer. And as we move closer to the next GE, we will see significantly more of this.
Increasingly they will portray him as weak, dithering and continually changing his mind (some of which is true by the way).
 
The new MP in Yorkshire being born in 1998 really took me back. A Labour MP who wasn't born when the last Labour government was elected.

We've had a PM about 200 years ago who was 24 which is impressive history still.
 
Boycott said:
The thing with ULEZ is that 90% of cars are compliant. The opposition to it is very loud and I will admit the timing of it being rolled out over the period of the cost of living crisis at its peak wasn't ideal. That helped fuel the narrative that it was a tax on the people already struggling. But do you kick the can down the road over making the air cleaner and more breathable?
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I think so. The #1 priority is getting the Tories out. And a majority of people hate disruptive climate action like Just Stop Oil, which still tarnishes Labour's brand among some potential swing Tory voters, despite Starmer's principled opposition to protests. Add to that the leftie Labour policy with emissions from the London mayor...

Si, it might be time for Starmer to draw a clear line against the lefties with a new oil drilling policy. Admittedly, this is not a popular stance in the population, but if you are opposed to oil, your vote still has to go to either the Tories or Labour (ya, I think you understand that they have no alternative :)!)...And winning over the pro-oil Tory voters would be good, to have a broader base and stronger mandate for a Labour government than ever before.

As for climate change, once Labour has been in power for a bit, that can be dealt with. Can't deal with it using protest slogans, while in the opposition!
 
Mart1974 said:
This is the same old bullshit that Starmer has to deal with. It is right to say yhat ULEZ expansion had an impact on this seat. Starmer hasn't said it should be scrapped, he has asked Khan to reflect on the outcome and the reason. This is alway a sensible thing to do when you get a direct response from the populous, but the press and the ABL brigade are calling it a U-Turn. This is what Labour is up against.
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Would be harder to frame it that way to be fair if he didn't so regularly u turn.
 
Regardless of whether they consider the results a success or failure, surely the logical strategy is to say that you came within touching distance of turning a constituency that has been Tory for 50+ years over to Labour. Not just any constituency, but the one the Prime Minister represented less than a year ago. Whilst at the same time overturing a 20k majority to take another Tory seat. Stick to that message and and push the idea that Tory strongholds will fall in the GE. You have them on the backfoot.

Instead, they've ended up in a debate about ULEZ which no one outside of London cares about. Tories will spin this in a few months and argue Labour are London centric metropolitan elites distracted by London issues. And just enabling that debate has already lead to it overspilling into wider carbon politics with Tories coming out of the woodwork to push back against net zero targets. It's a fecking shambles.
 
Sweet Square said:


Left wing commie rubbish!
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Labour will always have to contend with being labelled The Looney Left.
But for millions of people in this country, they are being affected by the Looney Right.
So what examples are there of the country having being made significantly worse off and the country being trashed by the left?
 
Bert_ said:
Regardless of whether they consider the results a success or failure, surely the logical strategy is to say that you came within touching distance of turning a constituency that has been Tory for 50+ years over to Labour. Not just any constituency, but the one the Prime Minister represented less than a year ago. Whilst at the same time overturing a 20k majority to take another Tory seat. Stick to that message and and push the idea that Tory strongholds will fall in the GE. You have them on the backfoot.

Instead, they've ended up in a debate about ULEZ which no one outside of London cares about. Tories will spin this in a few months and argue Labour are London centric metropolitan elites distracted by London issues. And just enabling that debate has already lead to it overspilling into wider carbon politics with Tories coming out of the woodwork to push back against net zero targets. It's a fecking shambles.
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Electable.

Nah, a nodding dog would be better.
 
The fact that Boris Johnson clearly wanted the Tories to lose in Uxbridge, so that he could go around saying that only he would have held the seat, and will be seething that it didn’t happen, is at least one small silver-lining there.

Thankfully the Tories are still doomed though. Now how long they face in opposition depends on how competent Starmer and Labour are.
 
Buster15 said:
Labour will always have to contend with being labelled The Looney Left.
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Sorry my friend I don't believe this is true, its only when Labour elects a nominee from the 'looney left' brigade as leader of the Party, like Michael Foot or Jeremy Corbyn that the Tories 'reel-in' their biggest majorities in GE.
 
Maticmaker said:
Sorry my friend I don't believe this is true, its only when Labour elects a nominee from the 'looney left' brigade as leader of the Party, like Michael Foot or Jeremy Corbyn that the Tories 'reel-in' their biggest majorities in GE.
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Yes of course I understand that.
What I was trying (badly) to say was that there is never any mention of the Looney Right. Any yet look at the damage that Liz Truss and KK did in a matter of days to the UK.
 
Maticmaker said:
Sorry my friend I don't believe this is true, its only when Labour elects a nominee from the 'looney left' brigade as leader of the Party, like Michael Foot or Jeremy Corbyn that the Tories 'reel-in' their biggest majorities in GE.
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cafecillos said:
Starmer needs to distance himself a bit more from the far left in order to get people like her on board, I hope he realises that.
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Starker could copy and past Tory manifesto and they would still accuse him of being a communist.
 
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This is somone who was always going to vote Conservative but is making up lies, either to herself or on this call-in, to justify it.

I struggle to believe that she would genuinely vote Green in a PR system (having said that, I do know someone who's voted for all 4 of Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative and Green in the past 4 elections, which I find incredible).
 
africanspur said:
I do know someone who's voted for all 4 of Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative and Green in the past 4 elections, which I find incredible).
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I've voted Labour, Lib Dem and Green in different elections, but have never voted Tory, so not quite the full house!
 
africanspur said:
This is somone who was always going to vote Conservative but is making up lies, either to herself or on this call-in, to justify it.

I struggle to believe that she would genuinely vote Green in a PR system (having said that, I do know someone who's voted for all 4 of Labour, Lib Dem, Conservative and Green in the past 4 elections, which I find incredible).
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I am a Labour member. I can understand why people voted Conservative/Lib Dem in 2010 and why they might have voted Conservative after the coalition. I cannot fathom why anyone would vote for Bozo's Tory party.
 
so Gove announces new flowery urban regeneration plan, bringing up ideas from the Medicis and using manhattan and gaudis barcelona as examples (we all know its a charter to create cheap slum housing by loosening the rules around minimum sizing / noise etc). And yet one of their own MPs tells him to feck off with the flagship Cambridge plan.

There are utterly inept. Im no fan of starmer, but if this was his labour party, it would be all over the daily mail how riven they are.
 
Superden said:
so Gove announces new flowery urban regeneration plan, bringing up ideas from the Medicis and using manhattan and gaudis barcelona as examples (we all know its a charter to create cheap slum housing by loosening the rules around minimum sizing / noise etc). And yet one of their own MPs tells him to feck off with the flagship Cambridge plan.

There are utterly inept. Im no fan of starmer, but if this was his labour party, it would be all over the daily mail how riven they are.
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Inept is bang on.
Typical Michael Gove smoke and mirrors.
And of course nothing new at all.
Has he not been to any city in the UK.
Any spare piece of land is quickly snapped up by developers and converted into flats.
 
Buster15 said:
Yes of course I understand that.
What I was trying (badly) to say was that there is never any mention of the Looney Right. Any yet look at the damage that Liz Truss and KK did in a matter of days to the UK.
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Yes the 'looney right' were always there, but kept under strict Tory Party control so they never really existed in the wider public perception until up they popped in the shape of Liz truss in power, but not of course by election, but by 'sleight of hand,' so to speak. However Lizz has now irrevocably put them on the political map for real and I expect we shall hear more about the 'looney right' from now on......... if only from the Guardian and the Independent.

The 'looney right cat is out of the Tory bag' and the devastation it caused will endure, but for how long will depend on the margin of victory Starmer can 'rack-up' at the next GE.
 
Maticmaker said:
Yes the 'looney right' were always there, but kept under strict Tory Party control so they never really existed in the wider public perception until up they popped in the shape of Liz truss in power, but not of course by election, but by 'sleight of hand,' so to speak. However Lizz has now irrevocably put them on the political map for real and I expect we shall hear more about the 'looney right' from now on......... if only from the Guardian and the Independent.

The 'looney right cat is out of the Tory bag' and the devastation it caused will endure, but for how long will depend on the margin of victory Starmer can 'rack-up' at the next GE.
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Yes indeed. And unfortunately I have to admit that it is people of our generation who are the most bigoted against the loony left. Assuming that they actually existed.
And so hopefully it will be the younger generation who will realise that it is this Tory party who has actually wreaked havoc with the British economy and pretty much everything else. And brought about the cost of living crisis which is affecting us all.
 
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