Harry Kane | Bayern Munich player

Baxquux said:
Some of us have been watching football since the mid 90s and have seen hundreds of hours of Rooney play as well as being exposed to the various debates across time about his potential, his performances, his impact on the team, his best position and so on, alongside with the various tabloid stories about his lifestyle. That doesn't automatically make people experts, and produces all kinds of diverging opinions but it does at least give a base sense of how good he was, but also what some of his flaws were along with his unrealized potential . There's a good case, if not an unequivocal one, that Kane at his peak is just a more creative player in terms of linking things together in the final third as well as regularly starting moves off.



I'm not saying he will (returning to PL for the Shearer record might get in the way of this, for a start); I'm saying in principle he's arguably better suited to this than Rooney ended up being once he got into his 30s. The arguments were that Rooney would essentially go from Scholes CF/Second ST of 95 (but at higher level) to late-career Scholes (sitting deep and dictating play, as well as moving forward when needs be, rather than the more dynamic peak-period Scholes CM role which Rooney's decreasing mobility would stop him from potentially. There was a bit of that towards the end of his career with Everton and, mainly Derby, but we didn't really see it. Prior to then, late in his United career we saw something closer to Rooney trying to play the 'peak' Scholes role, albeit in slightly different tactical set-up, but I don't think he played it consistently, even in terms of controlling tempo and short-passing, breaking the press or finding overlapping full-backs and all the rest. Some of that was just down to playing in weaker sides by that point, of course...
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I judge a player in big moments not only stats in beating down on lower opposition. Rooney has so many memorable moments in the champions league and other big games for us. Rooney was a genuine generational talent who perhaps who did not reach those gigantic expectations. However even if he was one step below in fulfilling his potential, he was an incredible player, an all time United legend and a step above Harry Kane in talent alone.
 
do.ob said:


Doesn't exactly look like he's England's brightest in that clip.



It was made by an English person for the English market. So I gues it rather says something about England.
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Im sure the ref knows english
 
tentan said:
Im sure the ref knows english
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I'm sure he does, but I'm not so sure an upset Kimmich decided not to talk to the German ref in German.
But who knows, for all we know Kane just did that British thing, where he says "nein" and then mind drifts away congratulating himself on his sophisticated humor. His facial expression certainly looked like it.
 
rabnub said:
This is a load of bollix when it comes to munich. The whole place speaks english. Been there about 11 or 12 times for munich games from ireland. never have had an issue. Berlin or others may be like that . Munich is not. Most germans speak english anyway. Wont be an issue
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do.ob said:
Kane doesn't strike me as someone you'd expect to (ever) speak German fluently.
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Because of his lisp?

I guess thankfully he's playing football and not lecturing in German though so imagine it should be OK.
 
africanspur said:
Because of his lisp?

I guess thankfully he's playing football and not lecturing in German though so imagine it should be OK.
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Do you have a problem with people who have a lisp?

My point was that many foreigners seem to struggle with learning to speak German fluently. Since Kane will be able to get by speaking English and only signed for a few years I don't expect him to have much drive to hone his language skills and if he starts scoring goals I don't expect anyone from the club to try and force too many lessons on him either.
 
do.ob said:
Do you have a problem with people who have a lisp?

My point was that many foreigners seem to struggle with learning to speak German fluently. Since Kane will be able to get by speaking English and only signed for a few years I don't expect him to have much drive to hone his language skills and if he starts scoring goals I don't expect anyone from the club to try and force too many lessons on him either.
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I am not so sure about this. He clearly said that he wants to be a leader in this team and leading requires communication skills. He surely will be fine communicating with people, but he will not have a real grasp of what is going on around him without at least understanding German relatively well - as we have seen in that memeworthy image.
 
Revan said:
Berlin is probably even more international than Munich, no need to know any German.
If you are not a boring robot German, Munich is such a boring city. Except those two weeks at the end of September.
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Some people value safety very high, I do in my case I am from a third world country.

If it's safer then it is better for me, I don't care if there are 50 000 pubs or tourist places to go visit every weekend, if I have to worry about getting stabbed or assaulted by a gang member everytime I go outside past 6-7 pm.
 
strongwalker said:
I couldn't agree more it's a shithole. Just do all parties involved a favour and don't go there.ever.
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Touched a nerve there.

Lived there for 3 years so have many friends. Which means that I have to suffer visiting it, but that’s the life.
 
do.ob said:
Do you have a problem with people who have a lisp?

My point was that many foreigners seem to struggle with learning to speak German fluently. Since Kane will be able to get by speaking English and only signed for a few years I don't expect him to have much drive to hone his language skills and if he starts scoring goals I don't expect anyone from the club to try and force too many lessons on him either.
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No I don't, do you?

Just seems strange that you seem so sure that Kane isn't going to get to the level where he can speak in German to the ref. Just wondering where that impression would have come from?

I imagine he also doesn't need to be at the level of quoting German historical classics to shout at the ref in German or ask for a pass either.
 
africanspur said:
No I don't, do you?

Just seems strange that you seem so sure that Kane isn't going to get to the level where he can speak in German to the ref. Just wondering where that impression would have come from?

I imagine he also doesn't need to be at the level of quoting German historical classics to shout at the ref in German or ask for a pass either.
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My friend, it was you, who mentioned lisping and fluency. I just shared a video where Kane looked stupid.
 
FortunaUtd said:
There can be absolutely no doubt that compared to London, München is an insignificant and boring little provincial town.
Although I doubt Harry Kane is the type to frolic around the Notting Hill Carnival, attend gallery openings, or sample the most delicious street food markets. In daily life he might find driving to Säbener Strasse more pleasant than London traffic, and whatever Spurs' training complex is called. Also their home TVs will have Disney+ installed just as well.

However I will maintain that Cheshire would have been a better fit for him than Grünwald.
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Well, provincial towns are way more cleaner and safer than chaotic big cities, so yeah, you are right.
 
africanspur said:
No I don't, do you?

Just seems strange that you seem so sure that Kane isn't going to get to the level where he can speak in German to the ref. Just wondering where that impression would have come from?

I imagine he also doesn't need to be at the level of quoting German historical classics to shout at the ref in German or ask for a pass either.
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It might be a prejudice but in general English people just don't seem to be very interested in learning foreign languages, and Kane didn't do anything to appear different than this stereotype, I guess that's all there is to say about it.
 
stefan92 said:
It might be a prejudice but in general English people just don't seem to be very interested in learning foreign languages, and Kane didn't do anything to appear different than this stereotype, I guess that's all there is to say about it.
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The prejudice is partly accurate but only in so far as I see the exact same issue across Europe.

'Multi-lingual' Europe is masked by the fact that so many Europeans essentially have to learn English as a 2nd language because of its status as the global language, as well as the dominance of American media etc.

Once you remove that particular aspect, countries that don't have specific historic cultural reasons for closeness (ie Malta Italian, Czeck Republic Slovak, Latvia Russian etc etc), the percentage of British people able to speak French/German for instance doesn't seem that different from the number of Germans/French speaking French/German/Spanish etc.
 
GhastlyHun said:
Vielleicht
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Vielleicht, genau. I for one am happy that he didn’t come to United. Better to grow within ETH system and develop across the next couple of seasons. Having said that, I think he will do well there.
 
do.ob said:
Do you have a problem with people who have a lisp?

My point was that many foreigners seem to struggle with learning to speak German fluently. Since Kane will be able to get by speaking English and only signed for a few years I don't expect him to have much drive to hone his language skills and if he starts scoring goals I don't expect anyone from the club to try and force too many lessons on him either.
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'I'll have German lessons at least once or twice a week," Kane said. "I want to fit in as much as possible and learning the language is important. I want to try and embrace the culture, embrace the country."
 
Article in The Athletic says Kane was Ten Hag's first choice but that Utd didn't want to get into another drawn out saga like with de Jong.

Plus Bayern were still Kane's preference.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
'I'll have German lessons at least once or twice a week," Kane said. "I want to fit in as much as possible and learning the language is important. I want to try and embrace the culture, embrace the country."
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So once or twice a week? Being a (former) language teacher, I have to say, wtf? He should be doing lessons with a private tutor every damn day. In fact, he should feckin do a George Feckin Orwell and buy drinks to people to get them to talk German (not French, ffs) to him so he can learn to converse with people in the language.
 
IRN-BRUno said:
'I'll have German lessons at least once or twice a week," Kane said. "I want to fit in as much as possible and learning the language is important. I want to try and embrace the culture, embrace the country."
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Good luck learning German once a week
 
IRN-BRUno said:
'I'll have German lessons at least once or twice a week," Kane said. "I want to fit in as much as possible and learning the language is important. I want to try and embrace the culture, embrace the country."
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Exactly.
 
do.ob said:
Do you have a problem with people who have a lisp?

My point was that many foreigners seem to struggle with learning to speak German fluently. Since Kane will be able to get by speaking English and only signed for a few years I don't expect him to have much drive to hone his language skills and if he starts scoring goals I don't expect anyone from the club to try and force too many lessons on him either.
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That wasn't your point at all. Your point was to say that you felt that Kane was dim.

Which is fine, because he probably is.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
That wasn't your point at all. Your point was to say that you felt that Kane was dim.

Which is fine, because he probably is.
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So fascinating to meet someone, who knows my thoughts better than I do myself. Dim or not, learning to speak German well seems to take a lot of dedication for most people and I don't see why a footballer in his 30s, who at this point has to assume he will only stay for three or four years, would have that kind of dedication, when he can have a much easier time in the short term just speaking English.
 
do.ob said:
I'm sure he does, but I'm not so sure an upset Kimmich decided not to talk to the German ref in German.
But who knows, for all we know Kane just did that British thing, where he says "nein" and then mind drifts away congratulating himself on his sophisticated humor. His facial expression certainly looked like it.
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:lol:
 
Harry190 said:
It's sad how this situation unfolded. By all accounts, he really wanted to join United. How much did Bayern end up paying?
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Where has this information come from?

Jokes aside, if it's trophies he wants he'd be wasting his remaining years coming here.
 
do.ob said:
So fascinating to meet someone, who knows my thoughts better than I do myself. Dim or not, learning to speak German well seems to take a lot of dedication for most people and I don't see why a footballer in his 30s, who at this point has to assume he will only stay for three or four years, would have that kind of dedication, when he can have a much easier time in the short term just speaking English.
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You can be as snarky and condescending as you want, it's clearly what you were implying :)
 
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