F1 2023 Season

JuriM said:
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As long as circuits still see record attendance and people are paying for watching the races I'm not sure they are all that concerned about social media drop off. It was always going to happen again after Netflix created unrealistic expectations about the sport. Had this happened during any of the other eras of domination we d have seen the exact same thing. Those who think F1 went too far in creating drama in 21 should applaud this. At least Twitter and Youtube are still cess pools of vile comments if people miss it.
 
did anyone listen to Adrian Newey's interview? Apparently a few regrets in F1 mainly cause of timing and not happening for whatever reasons. Working for ferrari and working with alonso and hamilton (the two great drivers of their era).
 
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did anyone listen to Adrian Newey's interview? Apparently a few regrets in F1 mainly cause of timing and not happening for whatever reasons. Working for ferrari and working with alonso and hamilton (the two great drivers of their era).
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Didn't listen to it but I read the transcript. Newey seems like such an inspiring guy, also when I've seen him in for instance the "talking Bull" RBs own podcast.

It was interesting to read how fed up he and Horner were with Renault's inability to give them a proper engine and that that was also part of the reason why he almost left at some pt. I like how mature his view also is about those regrets: basically that we all have those "what if" moments but in the end you have to find happiness with the decisions you made. And certainly he will go down as a legend regardless. If I had to guess his biggest regret of the ones mentioned may be not working with Ferrari and Schumacher... reading between the lines a bit.
 
Redplane said:
As long as circuits still see record attendance and people are paying for watching the races I'm not sure they are all that concerned about social media drop off.
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I think they will have a lot of concern. Outside of some of the races in the USA, Liberty get paid from the promoters of the circuit rather than promoting it themselves (which is when they'll give a shit about attendances), the social media volume will add some valuation onto the business. A drop off will be bad for business, and impact valuations which if rumours are to be believed Liberty will be planning to exit in the future.
 
F-Red said:
I think they will have a lot of concern. Outside of some of the races in the USA, Liberty get paid from the promoters of the circuit rather than promoting it themselves (which is when they'll give a shit about attendances), the social media volume will add some valuation onto the business. A drop off will be bad for business, and impact valuations which if rumours are to be believed Liberty will be planning to exit in the future.
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Personally I couldn't give a hoot about what makes Liberty money. Like most other motorsports it's not even designed to be a sport with the appeal of a basketball or footie because I simply can't do the same as a pro athlete without having some serious cash to burn, places to do it, etc. Trying to sustain the sport as something it never was or can be without making some seriously drastic changes is just a terrible idea. Stop calling it Formula 1 in that case and come up with a new discipline is what I'd say. If anything the sport has gotten even more out of reach, especially for spectators needing to fork over increasingly large amounts of cash to attend a race or even watch it remotely.
 
The social media drop off is a statement of how shit the latest series of D2S was rather than the sport itself. It's 2022 vs 2023 after all, identical seasons.
 
Understandably rejected. Wanted a collaboration with ferrrari and build its cars in New Zealand. Madness, anyone in F1 will tell you, you have to be based in europe ideally the UK if you want to compete. Its where all of the talent is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/66950866

Rodin Cars bid to join Formula 1 with female driver rejected by FIA
 
Redplane said:
Didn't listen to it but I read the transcript. Newey seems like such an inspiring guy, also when I've seen him in for instance the "talking Bull" RBs own podcast.

It was interesting to read how fed up he and Horner were with Renault's inability to give them a proper engine and that that was also part of the reason why he almost left at some pt. I like how mature his view also is about those regrets: basically that we all have those "what if" moments but in the end you have to find happiness with the decisions you made. And certainly he will go down as a legend regardless. If I had to guess his biggest regret of the ones mentioned may be not working with Ferrari and Schumacher... reading between the lines a bit.
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Problem for him was that arguably at the time, Ferrari and Schumacher had the only car designer that was actually better than him.
 
Redplane said:
As long as circuits still see record attendance and people are paying for watching the races I'm not sure they are all that concerned about social media drop off. It was always going to happen again after Netflix created unrealistic expectations about the sport. Had this happened during any of the other eras of domination we d have seen the exact same thing. Those who think F1 went too far in creating drama in 21 should applaud this. At least Twitter and Youtube are still cess pools of vile comments if people miss it.
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Circuit attendance is a minimal part of the F1 machine. They will be concerned. Drop off was inevitable even without the FIA screwing the sport up, D2S isn't a novelty show anymore and people will move on.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
The frontrunner to join the F1 grid has been revealed after a rival in the FIA process released a statement saying Andretti Motorsport will be the 'successful' applicant.

New F1 team 'successful' in FIA application to join grid reveals rival (msn.com)
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Andretti only successful because they teams up with chevrolet as their engine manufactuer. F1 doesnt want more cusomer teams like Haas, it wants more manufactuer teams like Audi.

Rodin Cars was interesting. Well represented in the junior formula, have their own race track and the idea of a woman driver having one of the seats was refreshing.

Shame they didnt or couldnt go down the route of trying to get Toyota or Hyundai or some one else in the southern hemisphere as their engine manufacturer, would have improved their case.

Also maybe the f1 talent thats europe based, might have been up for relocating to New Zealand. After all its a lovely place to live apparently.
 
interesting quote from Adrian Newey. Its in regards to teammates where one is demostratably quicker than the other. They were discussing max and his teammates.

....“So if you’re going to have two teammates, where one is exceptional, and the other is brilliant but not quite at that level, the other one needs to be somebody who will, at some points, accept that he certainly can’t beat Max, for instance, on pace. You’re going to have to do it in some other way which, of course, has been done – if you look at Niki [Lauda] and Alain [Prost] against each other.

“Alain was always the quickest driver, but Niki managed to win a championship. You probably argue the same for Nico [Rosberg] and Lewis [Hamilton]”.......

The interview is interesting. He also discussed the issues with putting two 'alpha' drivers in the same team. Also how a older maturer alonso would be a different character to the 2007 mclaren alonso if he was in a team with either Max or Lewis.
 
dinostar77 said:
Andretti only successful because they teams up with chevrolet as their engine manufactuer. F1 doesnt want more cusomer teams like Haas, it wants more manufactuer teams like Audi.

Rodin Cars was interesting. Well represented in the junior formula, have their own race track and the idea of a woman driver having one of the seats was refreshing.

Shame they didnt or couldnt go down the route of trying to get Toyota or Hyundai or some one else in the southern hemisphere as their engine manufacturer, would have improved their case.

Also maybe the f1 talent thats europe based, might have been up for relocating to New Zealand. After all its a lovely place to live apparently.
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Rodin was an interesting bid, but based in New Zealand it was never going t happen, the logistics would be difficult to say the least, the female driver, it will happen eventually.
I doubt money was the issue David Dicker is worth $1B.
 
RedDevilQuebecois said:
If some of you are fans of anime and racing at the same time, this series titled Overtake! looks very promising for you.



This is a dive in the world of F4 Japanese Championship, which is the first step for junior Japanese drivers as they push towards the dream of making it to Formula 1. In real life, Yuki Tsunoda is the first Japanese driver who made it from Formula 4 all the way to Formula 1.

First episode is set to premiere on October 1st.
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yes, it would mean cutting up the pie (huge pot of money) with 11 slices instead of 10 slices.

greed.greed.greed.
 
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He’s right. Not about it being anything to do with him being Mexican. Just not being English.
 
dinostar77 said:
interesting quote from Adrian Newey. Its in regards to teammates where one is demostratably quicker than the other. They were discussing max and his teammates.

....“So if you’re going to have two teammates, where one is exceptional, and the other is brilliant but not quite at that level, the other one needs to be somebody who will, at some points, accept that he certainly can’t beat Max, for instance, on pace. You’re going to have to do it in some other way which, of course, has been done – if you look at Niki [Lauda] and Alain [Prost] against each other.

“Alain was always the quickest driver, but Niki managed to win a championship. You probably argue the same for Nico [Rosberg] and Lewis [Hamilton]”.......

The interview is interesting. He also discussed the issues with putting two 'alpha' drivers in the same team. Also how a older maturer alonso would be a different character to the 2007 mclaren alonso if he was in a team with either Max or Lewis.
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Do you have a link to more?
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Perez now spouting bollocks
https://www.planetf1.com/news/sergio-perez-george-russell-nationality-bias
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I don't know, I can see it from his perspective given what his own boss said about him on their own media. One can only guess what's being said behind closed doors at RB if that's how they talk on television. The difference with Russel is true too, only that the reason is that Merc currently don't have anyone like Marko (and even the old Nobert Haug would have been smarter than that) and that Russel doesn't drive for a media company/drink licensing scheme but a actual car company. Incentives will always be different for the different companies.
 
Abizzz said:
I don't know, I can see it from his perspective given what his own boss said about him on their own media. One can only guess what's being said behind closed doors at RB if that's how they talk on television. The difference with Russel is true too, only that the reason is that Merc currently don't have anyone like Marko (and even the old Nobert Haug would have been smarter than that) and that Russel doesn't drive for a media company/drink licensing scheme but a actual car company. Incentives will always be different for the different companies.
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I read it more as him commenting on the judgment in general of public and media of a select few drivers. He's pointing at George's Singapore mistake for a reason .The just because he's Mexican thing isn't true to me, look at the criticism anyone from Stroll to De Vries, Gasley, Ocon, Yuki, and even someone like Albon has had to contend with before. And then drivers like Mick somehow get repackaged as woe is them - they were just misunderstood.

Having said all that - I think Checo is probably taken advantage of in this. Again the media knows this quote as well will lead to controversy, and sadly we re just feeding into it - myself included.
 
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Redplane said:
I read it more as him commenting on the judgment in general of public and media of drivers not British, especially annointed golden boys like George that he s singling out in particular. He hasn't been exactly problem/controversy free for the past few years and that crash in Singapore alone would have meant calls for the driver to be dropped, or at least see a lot more negative attention if they had been most anyone else on the grid.
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Perhaps but he does say:
“If something like that happens at Red Bull, you immediately have three hundred media channels on your roof telling you that you have to leave,” he continued, referring to the never-ending rumours that his seat is in danger with his contract coming to an end at the conclusion of 2024.
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And while the English media is more dominant than most I think there's plenty of spanish speaking media around the world too.

Edit (concerning your edited part): True, surely Mercedes have good ties to most media companies after decades of advertising, but I just don't see how that can be put as a negative (and Im not sure it has that much bearing on the Russel situation, if it does, good, talking him down won't help). However RB have their own media companies. They are their own media empire, they control it, it's a different level. Concerning Schumacher I think it was just the perfect storm for positive coverage with his dad's history, it wasn't only Merc in F1 who would have loved seeing him succeed (cough, Ferrari). Not that it has done him any favours, I fear he believed the hype. He should really be winning something somewhere right now instead of waiting to get another seat, which he seems to feel entitled to (obviously isn't).

I agree with the Checo being taken advantage of part even though I don't think he'll ever be champion material (barring extraordinary circumstances like Max retiring and Mick getting the 2nd seat).
 
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