De Gea was how old? 20-21 it was understandable and even he got enough criticism.
Onana is experienced already and at his age he shouldn't be doing the mistakes he is.
Onana has not worked out. We need a new keeper.
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De Gea was how old? 20-21 it was understandable and even he got enough criticism.
Onana is experienced already and at his age he shouldn't be doing the mistakes he is.
Not convinced at all with him.Every game I'm thinking he's gonna cost us.
Onana was worth taking a punt on when he was available on a free. To spend £45m on him 12 months after this was criminal and it means we can't get rid without another substantial loss.
Ten Hag's player judgement is diabolical.
Onana is going to continue to cost us more games than contribute to winning them. Continuing to select him is negligence of the highest order.
Signing the Turkish fella to not give him a single minute is damning either of Bayinder or ETH himself, either he is so horrific he can't come into the team or ETH's own ego won't permit him to recognise failure.
Mason Mount was a poor signing (if not a poor player) made worse by his plans on how to use him and subsequently his non-use of him.
Amrabat is seemingly another player shown to be out of his depth as soon he as showed up in Manchester and is likely competing with Hannibal to be our last choice CM.
He jettisoned Ronaldo last year in another show of arrogance to demonstrate that he was the boss, before replacing him with Weghorst (17 league appearances, 0 goals).
This year he has picked Varane to illustrate his breathtaking stupidity. The best CB at the club being left behind players many have campaigned to be sold.
Antony is a dud.
Ten Hag's player judgement is diabolical.
Onana is going to continue to cost us more games than contribute to winning them. Continuing to select him is negligence of the highest order.
Signing the Turkish fella to not give him a single minute is damning either of Bayinder or ETH himself, either he is so horrific he can't come into the team or ETH's own ego won't permit him to recognise failure.
Mason Mount was a poor signing (if not a poor player) made worse by his plans on how to use him and subsequently his non-use of him.
Amrabat is seemingly another player shown to be out of his depth as soon he as showed up in Manchester and is likely competing with Hannibal to be our last choice CM.
He jettisoned Ronaldo last year in another show of arrogance to demonstrate that he was the boss, before replacing him with Weghorst (17 league appearances, 0 goals).
This year he has picked Varane to illustrate his breathtaking stupidity. The best CB at the club being left behind players many have campaigned to be sold.
Antony is a dud.
Credit to the one who came with the Kepa comparison in thread title. It's absolutely perfect. The only difference is Chelsea replaced Kepa quickly with another keeper while we will keep trying to force Onana into form for several years convincing ourselves he will get better at one point and waste a lot of time. We do this for all our terrible players.
Yeah it's all Onana. The defense has nothing to do with this.
He's in a new country and we've seen that he is a great keeper. Every other keeper struggles in his first season at a new club, leave him alone.
Sometimes, this fan base deserves the shit that's been served to us.
Sometimes, this fan base deserves the shit that's been served to us.
A three-goal difference after 13 games is just variance. It's an extra goal every four games.
He may come good, he may not. Many, including ex pro keepers, are saying his technique is fundamentally flawed, he's a very experienced keeper and wont be able to change that much. DDG was 20 when he came to OT. We paid £50m also for Onana when he was available last summer for a free. His flaws had been well know before as well. Its a mess.
47 pages .. on this.. that says it all , the comparison to DDG isn't right , DDG was at OT for over 10 yrs .. this guy won't. Don't like him and I never will , he will cost utd more important games than he will get
De Gea was a kid, so you can't compare really. But hopefully it's just a confidence issue with Onana.
Shouldn't his confidence be pretty high after his recent upturn in form? Why is it always 'confidence issue' for every other player we have? Rashford has confidence issues, Onana has confidence issues.. basically every underperformer has confidence issue. I don't get it. And its not the first time he has had these blunders. The clips of him at Ajax tell us that he is prone to horrific errors.
His shot stopping technique as the poster said is flawed and his reactions times are horrible!
He has been a disaster and is detrimental to the confidence of other players. Imagine trying to defend knowing that you have a GK that cant save anything.
Yet he was great in the league games before the last match.
But let's go to extremes just to strengthen our narrative.Blindfold? What are you on about? He never said Onana is fine and had a good game or anything like that, just that fans should do their "job" and actually support new player that just had a great season, through some tough form and getting used to new league and have just a little patience. I guess that is too much to ask for new gen of fans.
You definitely deserve it for watching games with a blindfold on.
I'm definitely a United fan and while I did figure out you're talking about the Basaksehir game I had no recollection of Henderson playing in that one. I only remember that ridiculous goal we conceded where we basically had everyone in the opposition half.
Yawn. Let's just keep our eyes shut and ignore everything in the grand scheme of things.Yet he was great in the league games before the last match.
I should be the one yawning because your every response is the same, you are the one ignoring all the other things that do not suit your agenda against him. Grand scheme my arse.
No I think it suits the 'old' gen of fans who blindly support incompetency and mediocrity. Who can't really comprehend what they see on the pitch and just blindly support whatever shit thats thrown their way.
Not every GK struggles in their first season and then going on to call out fans for deserving shit, fans who can clearly see how Onana has cost us multiple games this season is basically indicating how out of touch some fans(or top reds to be precise) are with reality.
Ah was waiting for the agenda card. The only thing people have these days to counter criticism
No I think it suits the 'old' gen of fans who blindly support incompetency and mediocrity. Who can't really comprehend what they see on the pitch and just blindly support whatever shit thats thrown their way.
Not every GK struggles in their first season and then going on to call out fans for deserving shit, fans who can clearly see how Onana has cost us multiple games this season is basically indicating how out of touch some fans(or top reds to be precise) are with reality.
Ah was waiting for the agenda card. The only thing people have these days to counter criticism
And you call that agenda bollocks "criticism". No wonder you have only one response prepared for everything.
Ah comprehension issues. Nvm carry on with your top redism.And you call that agenda bollocks "criticism". No wonder you have only one response prepared for everything.
Yep. Calling out a player for poor performance is now an agenda. It was the same in the Rashford thread earlier.
This tweet sums up perfectly how it isnt all Onana's fault we are conceeding so many goals
You can kiss goodbye to winning any cup trophies this year, if we thought de gea was bad at producing howlers at the worse possible periods in a season then expect no less from onana, he's going to be our undoing in any knockout Cup match
Nobody claimed Onana was at fault for all goals conceded this season. Stop making up stuff and then arguing against it.
Needs to be flawless for the rest of the season now to save his career here.
At the very least he should be dropped for a few games. ETH should set an example to the rest. Do your job or else risks being dropped/benched. This should be the standard at Man Utd. The bar should be high and these kind of howlers are not acceptable at all.
I can’t argue with his injury problems of late, but my broader point is that it’s highly debatable that Onana was a better option for us than Henderson. Character does matter, as we’ve seen with Sancho, but my recollection of the comment that Henderson made was that he was frustrated at not getting a proper chance to play for the club. This at a time when the knives were being sharpened for De Gea.
If his technique is fundamentaly flawed, then he is fecked and there is no way to come back from that at his age.
Onana clearly looks massively bad at present but Utd's Post-shot expected goals - goals allowed is one of the best in the EPL. This is seriously wierd.
Probably just noise.
Basically all his terrible mistakes have been in the CL, so it's no wonder that his PL stats look much better than the feeling is when you watch all games. He definitely has strong performances in him and isn't fundamentally flawed, but lacks consistency a lot. Which is always a problem with keepers because this way the defence becomes nervous.
Would it just be noise over 13 games? Do you know over how many games you need for expected goals stuff to give you a meaningful result?
Banging a couple in vs Bayern would help too!
Just another United statistic this season that bears no relation to what we are watching ever week. Honestly, this season is insane!Onana clearly looks massively bad at present but Utd's Post-shot expected goals - goals allowed is one of the best in the EPL. This is seriously wierd.
Really?
I remember the Forest forward sitting him down.
He should have conceded a pen V Wolves.
And he let one through him V Brentford.
There have been so many mistakes now, it is difficult to remember them all.
Don’t bring Hendo into it, he was never going to be No.1 here. He had burned his bridges and there was no way back. He’s also no better than Onana.
True, Utd are second worst in the EPL for Post Shot Expected goals - Goals conceded in the CL. We have conceded 2.4 goals than epxected. The worst is Antwerp with 3.7.
Of course there have been mistakes, but also quite a lot of saves. And the stats @Physiocrat looked up prove this. It's very weird that statistically United has completely different problems in EPL and CL.
In the EPL the defending is mid-table (8th in xGA) and the excellent saving (on average!) keeps them 5th on actual GA. But scoring goals is a problem (11th G/ 12th xG)
In the CL we see a completely different picture, United scores goals galore (3 in each away game!), but having the 2nd worst shot stopper in the competition (who at the same time is the 3rd best in the PL) really ruins it. Considering that Onana was excellent in last years CL he shouldn't have this big trouble due to the CL as such, so it truly puzzles me what's going on with him here.
A lot of the mistakes that he is making that cause discomfort also do not factor into PSxG+/-. For instance, the Wolves mistake would not factor, nor would the numerous times he parries a ball into dangerous areas that do not result in a goal or shot. It would be interesting to see how they accounted for the Nottingham Forest one because if it is truly "post shot", then Onana was on his ass when the shot was released making the xG for the shot higher and the net negative differential accounted for in this stat lower.
There are some good saves in there, especially the Fati one and the Harland one at close range.
I wouldn't say there where many that you wouldn't expect a Premier League keeper to make.
To make the argument that he is statistically the best keeper in the Premier League based upon these saves, is a real stretch.
To me, one thing that is very noticeable is that when Onana makes saved, he often pushes it back into dangerous areas. Our defenders have done well to clear these.
And then you look at the goals he has conceded, there are a few i feel he could have done better with....