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Hopefully there will be reprisals for all these IDF soldiers showing their faces.
What do you have in mind ? Attacks on IDF soldiers ?
Hopefully there will be reprisals for all these IDF soldiers showing their faces.
What do you have in mind ? Attacks on IDF soldiers ?
If you're capable of killing, maiming and torturing civilians, I don't see any other way.
That's one interesting way toUnfortunately, that's the nature of war. You'd be hard pressed to find one where civilians don't die.
That's one interesting way todownplaydescribe the literal and deliberate carnage unfolding right before your eyes.
You really want to go down that road? Like, really?Literal and deliberate carnage are also synonymous with war. The only difference here is this one is unfolding on twitter, whereas conflicts like Sudan and their 10k dead and 250k displaced aren't. So in the end, the Palestine-Israel war isn't being downplayed, its being artificially promoted far beyond most other ongoing conflicts in the world at the moment.
You really want to go down that road? Like, really?
That's not what I meant by "downplay".
The fact the war in Sudan isn't talked about (which is a tragedy) doesn't make the massacre carried out by Israel against an occupied, starved population that has nowhere to go any less repulsive and criminal. If the countless images, reports, and videos filtering out didn't make you budge from your initial stance, and I think that's largely the case, then nothing else will. You can keep on banging on the "unfortunate collateral damage" drum, which is the one the staunchest pro-Israel like to do in order to downplay the current situation in Gaza, but it won't change the cruel reality.
Except that's not an accurate representation of what's happening here. No sane country wouldn't respond with overwhelming force if something like that happened to them. Its unfortunate that a lot of civilians are having to pay the price for Hamas' actions, but none of this would be happening had the weaker side not attacked the the far more powerful, better armed side for no viable reason whatever.
No sane country would blockade and occupy another one for decades, constantly keeping their foot on the occupied's throat, killing its children with impunity, whilst stealing their land. This is not a war between two sovereign countries, therein lies the fundamental difference which seems to consistently elude you. There's an occupying country and an occupied population. Therefore, Israel has no (legal) right to invoke self-defense and in fact is also (legally) bound to pay for the cost of the (illegal) occupation and (illegal) blockade from its own pocket as well as in the (legal) obligation of ensuring the well-being of the occupied population, if we want to go by international laws. Neither the US or the EU, or anyone really, should enable, finance or support what's essentially a major violation of international laws. That's how much of a farce the whole thing is and why there'll never be any reasonable justification or moral high ground in favor of Israel, no matter how much gaslighting, bad faith and propaganda are poured into.Except that's not an accurate representation of what's happening here. This is still fundementally a war between two parties, a new chapter of which was started in 10.7 . No sane country wouldn't respond with overwhelming force if something like that happened to them. Its unfortunate that a lot of civilians are having to pay the price for Hamas' actions, but none of this would be happening had the weaker side not attacked the the far more powerful, better armed side for no viable reason whatever.
Except that's not an accurate representation of what's happening here. This is still fundementally a war between two parties, a new chapter of which was started in 10.7 . No sane country wouldn't respond with overwhelming force if something like that happened to them. Its unfortunate that a lot of civilians are having to pay the price for Hamas' actions, but none of this would be happening had the weaker side not attacked the the far more powerful, better armed side for no viable reason whatever.
Literal and deliberate carnage are also synonymous with war. The only difference here is this one is unfolding on twitter, whereas conflicts like Sudan and their 10k dead and 5 million internally displaced aren't. So in the end, the Palestine-Israel war isn't being downplayed, its being artificially promoted far beyond most other ongoing conflicts in the world at the moment.
Except that's not an accurate representation of what's happening here. This is still fundementally a war between two parties, a new chapter of which was started in 10.7 . No sane country wouldn't respond with overwhelming force if something like that happened to them. Its unfortunate that a lot of civilians are having to pay the price for Hamas' actions, but none of this would be happening had the weaker side not attacked the the far more powerful, better armed side for no viable reason whatever.
Except that's not an accurate representation of what's happening here. This is still fundementally a war between two parties, a new chapter of which was started in 10.7 . No sane country wouldn't respond with overwhelming force if something like that happened to them. Its unfortunate that a lot of civilians are having to pay the price for Hamas' actions, but none of this would be happening had the weaker side not attacked the the far more powerful, better armed side for no viable reason whatever.
Being a mod shouldn't prevent someone from being entitled to their own opinion, no matter how much you disagree with them. That said, he's firmly and uncompromisingly in the pro-Israel camp. For a long while, I had a hard time telling if he was just bringing some balance to the thread and a dispassionate point of view, but his last posts cleared that up.A lot of your posts on this subject are cruel, insensitive, and very biased. You should do better, at least as a mod/admin.
Being a mod shouldn't prevent someone from being entitled to their own opinion, no matter how much you disagree with them. That said, he's firmly and uncompromisingly in the pro-Israel camp. For a long while, I had a hard time telling if he was just bringing some balance to the thread and a dispassionate point of view, but his last posts cleared that up.
This is such utter crap. "Ah sure that's how it goes, what can you do?". Do you have the same opinion of Oct 7th?Unfortunately, that's the nature of war. You'd be hard pressed to find one where civilians don't die.
Tbh, I said "as a mod" because you can't ignore his posts. I think it's kind of trollish anyway to keep inserting the date 10.7 every few posts. It is something Western zionist politicians keep parroting as some sort of deflection and justification tactic for the atrocities committed every second. It's also not a start date for the conflict or a new chapter because the old one never closed.
Ukraine should suck it up too then by this logic. Curiously, in this case he doesn't seem to think that way.To be fair to him he's been consistent before 10.7. His opinion has always been Gaza have to suck it up as they're the weaker party, any actions would therefore be detrimental.
When you look at everything from a purely military aspect as an armchair general it does come across sociopathic though.
Not that I agree with his logic (I don’t), but his logic includes 10.7 as the starting point of aggression by a weaker side. Ukraine was attacked.Ukraine should suck it up too then by this logic. Curiously, in this case he doesn't seem to think that way.
That's a faulty one and he perfectly knows it. Palestine has been under attack since 1948 and occupied since 1967.Not that I agree with his logic (I don’t), but his logic includes 10.7 as the starting point of aggression by a weaker side. Ukraine was attacked.
To quote the great philosopher bill maher, you just need to learn how to cope.That's one interesting way todownplaydescribe the literal and deliberate carnage unfolding right before your eyes.
To quote the great philosopher bill maher, you just need to learn how to cope.
Marwan Barghouti would be Palestine's best hope. He's a moderate, was always willing to work on a two-state solution and enjoys an immensely popularity among the Palestinians. I'd rather not see him freed due to a direct Hamas intervention which would leave him with a lot of strings attached, but that's a clear sign of how Hamas are projecting themselves in the future, not as governing entity but as a major player in any future Palestinian coalition. Because he'd be the man to go to if there were serious negotiations about the two state solution, his liberation will never happen under the Netanyahu government, imo.Hamas so far is refusing a temporary ceasefire and is insistent on the release of Marwan Barghouti, Ahmed Saadat, and Abdullah Barghouti, in any hostage deal.
A few different reports from Israeli media on the period of the ceasefire but it seems it would be longer than a week if they ever agree on something.
Absolutely. Also try dying without disturbing the rest of the world, if it's not too much to ask from you.To quote the great philosopher bill maher, you just need to learn how to cope.
I think this is being ignored. It was always hypocritical but I don’t think the West would be able to even muster any sympathy in the future.I thing this event might be the last nail in the coffin of the west's self proclaimed moral superiority.
Absolutely, can't even have lunch watching the news without seeing women and children crying. People are dying in sudan too, you know, you're not special.Absolutely. Also try dying without disturbing the rest of the world, if it's not too much to ask from you.
Jesus fecking christ, what a goddamn clown...
Not that I agree with his logic (I don’t), but his logic includes 10.7 as the starting point of aggression by a weaker side. Ukraine was attacked.
Ahh yes, the famously occupied Bahaman territories, a people without a state, perpetually under siege and being starved by the Florida Defense Forces.
The GOP really does breed a special form of smoothbrained feckwits.
As I've said, it's not my logic. Still, since his logic states that this particular chapter started with 10.7 though, with the HAMAS' aggression, equating Palestine with Ukraine would be wrong.Palestine has been under attack for 75 years.
I absolutely can see what you're getting at and you'd be right if we were to take things through an incredibly narrow-minded perception of the events. However, there is a (rightfully) perceived sense of injustice and double standards from the western governments. The latter are still running the show with methods that reek of imperialism, a colonial mentality and a certified contempt, to stay polite, for the Arabs, the Palestinians being the ones at the absolute bottom. They're eager to take the moral high ground and import democracy and freedom at gunpoint, but give an ultra-right, fascist and racist Israeli government carte blanche to collectively punish and mass murder a population that's been occupied and stolen from for decades, in retaliation for the terrorist actions of an islamo-nationalist resistance movement that's been spoon fed by the Israeli government to prevent any two state solution.As I've said, it's not my logic. Still, since his logic states that this particular chapter started with 10.7 though, with the HAMAS' aggression, equating Palestine with Ukraine would be wrong.
There are multiple flaws that you can (and probably should) point out in this logic but "Ukraine should suck it up too" doesn't follow from it.
He's pretty much the caricature of the American war hawk and has the inenviable record of being wrong about so many important events so wouldn't mind too much what he says.A lot of your posts on this subject are cruel, insensitive, and very biased. You should do better, at least as a mod/admin.