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Russia and China still have judges at the ICJ, as members of the UNSC. You'd normally think that those two would rule in favor of South Africa just to spite the US and weaken its position on the international scene, but given their own pending charges of genocide, I'm not sure they're willing to open this can of worms. The UK will do as its US master says. So out of the 5 judges of the UNSC, only France could potentially be on South Africa's side. You also have a German judge which is a guaranteed "not guilty", given Germany's uncanny ability to always be on the wrong side of History.
The other ICJ judges come from Australia, Brazil, Jamaica, Japan, India, Lebanon, Morocco, Slovakia, Somalia and Uganda. Plus two from South Africa and Israel. It... doesn't look good.
While the case is more than solid and South Africa would, on the merit of law, win against any other country, geopolitics play here a huge part and I'd be surprised if the Court rules in favor of South Africa. Even it's just for a biding injunction for an immediate cease-fire. Nevertheless, the fact that Israel got dragged before the ICJ is an epic PR disaster and its reputation is now completely tarnished. Palestine is also back on the international menu for a long time.
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If they rule in favour of israel, they will continue and in front of any criticism, they will point towards the veredict of a tribunal that they dont even recognize
If they rule agaibst israel, they will cry antisemistism
If they rule agaibst israel, they will cry antisemistism
Great post.
Ughh I know I said I won't post in here again but one more. This is a video about how Norman Finklestein thinks it'll play out.
Ok, now I'm out!
Edit: found full video and edited the post.
Thanks mate.
Putin also probably doesn't want to burn every bridge with Israel if he can still avoid it. he seemed to very much appreciate the substantial volume of Russian speaking, ex-ussr Israeli's as something of geopolitical worth (and a point of connective pride within his nationalistic outlook), he had a good relationship with Netanyahu in particular, even despite the issues caused by opting to get involved in Syria for Assad. things had only recently turned sour because he's backed himself into a corner with the invasion of Ukraine. Israel didn't care about Crimean annexation and were even relatively slow to fully condemn Russia immediately after the invasion until it became apparent what a military trainwreck it was (and likely significant pressure from the states/ europe).
No Ukraine war and i'm pretty sure he'd be firmly on the Israeli side post-Oct 7th, though likely with some self-serving, fake attempts to appear more humane and eager for ceasefire than the Americans/Germans/Brits.
Good points. I recall there was significant coordination between Israel and Russia during the Syria war, where Netanyahu flew to Moscow to deconflict Israeli airstrikes on Iranian proxy targets with the presence of Russian troops in Syria at the time.
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Yeah but the BBC piss off “both sides” so they must be doing their job of being neutral right, am I right?
You are mixing two different courts.
ICJ is not ICC
ICJ is an organ/ part if the UN, every member in the UN 193 coubtrues is by default part of the ICJ statue.
This court does not take cases of individuals (like Netanyahu). It solves cases between countries.
The ICC on the other hand is a criminal court, which brings cases against individuals for war crimes or crimes against humanity.
Also, whilst the ICJ is an organ of the United Nations, the ICC is legally independent of the UN, (although it is endorsed by the General Assembly).
US and Israel recognise ICJ by default of membership to the UN.
But they do not recognise the ICC.
Both courts are located in the Hague in the Netherlands but two different buildings.
Even in the news last night they barely covered the accusations and had more time on the denials.
That's the situation though isn't it, there's a massive fear of being critical of Israeli actions because of the risk against anyone who does. That's a conversation this thread has had for year's and there's always been denial it was the case but recent events have proved the point.
Lobbying works and you don't need some secret world order type power for that to be the case.
He kept searching between papers. Unprepared. Blaming someone of shuffling his papers.
The BBC is a disgrace
Very good points, although Israel only condemned Russia for the invasion of Ukraine because the US forced them to do so, not because of the military situation there. However you should not forget that Russia also has long standing strategic and economic relationships with the Arabic world (except Saudia Arabia) and Iran which belong to their biggest clients in terms of military contracts.
It was completely at odds with Israel until the fall of the Soviet Union. The emigration of jewish Russians to Israel in the following years has massively contributed to the improvement of the relationships between the two countries in the long-term, but ever since, both have been alternatively supporting then back stabbing each other on the international scene, depending on the interest of the moment. The relationship between Netanyahu and Putin has never been that cut and dry.
You might be right but I'm personally not 100% sure that Russia's position would've been completely different if the Ukraine invasion didn't happen. They'd still have to manage their Arab partners and Iran, and alienating them in favor of Israel is a costly deal either way.
We'll see how things go.
He kept searching between papers. Unprepared. Blaming someone of shuffling his papers.
Sham country at every level
Israel made a better point then twitter.
Expecting articles in 1-2 weeks about how the U.S. is being "involuntarily dragged" into another conflict.
You can't say they haven't been consistent.
wow
What are they afraid of? free speech. Few months ago I was in an argument with a poster here I do not remember who, It was about the media bias in western countries, I told him even the BBC has an agenda, he was laughing like it was some sort of alien thought. The public in the west are brain washed.
He really thinks Nelson Mandela was some sort of Kumbaya peace-only bitch. I'm sure he thinks the same of MLK Jr.
He is indirectly inciting that the court has no merit, or the court has no value. What an absolute shameless government Germany has.
It is coming from the people whom I believe supported the apartheid in South Africa the longest out of any Western nation. That's without going further into their darker past.
Even more funny considering if Piers was around at the time, he'd have been asking the ANC where their Ghandi figure is, with Mandela on US terror watchlists until the 2000s and the ANC using violence once they felt non-violence was no longer cutting it.
Consistently on the wrong side of history?
Yep.
It's like they enjoy learning the wrong lessons from almost every war they've been engaged in going back to OVB
How many generations do you think it will take for their collective shame to dissipate?
Is it shame or political and financial interest? Supporting Israel is a good way to get on the good side of the US.
Hitler ROFLing in Argentina.
It's interesting because following this a little bit, I went to the opposite interpretation. South Africa currently have many issues, historically there are still divisions based on race and ethnicity but on that topic they seem to be relatively united in the belief that they are witnessing an apartheid.