Idxomer
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Terrorists.
Yep. Your right this does seem to be the case. Which is depressing.
I guess they’ve seen the polling and heard the negative noises from Muslim Americans. I have no idea if this policy change will work.
Not sure if mentioned on here but Al Jazeera is reporting that Israel has agreed to a ceasefire and Hamas are showing signs of agreeing too.
Yup. Hopefully they can turn the ceasefire into something more permanent and cooler heads can prevail. I'm not holding my breath though.That’s what they’re saying here as well. I think they’re still haggling over a few specifics before final confirmation.
Yep. Your right this does seem to be the case. Which is depressing.
I guess they’ve seen the polling and heard the negative noises from Muslim Americans. I have no idea if this policy change will work.
I can’t see this “new” policy change working and tbh it shouldn’t. If I was a American Arab orWill it bring back the dead babies? Once that happens (and of course a chilly feeling in hell) then Muslims (and non Muslim humans with a soul) will vote for Genocide Joe again. Or Genocide Dems.
It will be interesting to see if moral exhortation can last one more election cycle(The polling seems to show that it can’t).Back before Trump and the associated hysteria, it was considered normal to have somewhat opposing interests among your base. Choosing one over the other was a part of politics, not attached with great moral exhortation of "you must vote for the guy who turned on you."
Not sure if mentioned on here but Al Jazeera is reporting that Israel has agreed to a ceasefire and Hamas are showing signs of agreeing too.
.More than 800 serving officials in the US and Europe have signed a statement warning that their own governments' policies on the Israel-Gaza war could amount to "grave violations of international law".
The "transatlantic statement", a copy of which was passed to the BBC, says their administrations risk being complicit in "one of the worst human catastrophes of this century" but that their expert advice has been sidelined.
It is the latest sign of significant levels of dissent within the governments of some of Israel's key Western allies.
One signatory to the statement, a US government official with more than 25 years' national security experience, told the BBC of the "continued dismissal" of their concerns.
"The voices of those who understand the region and the dynamics were not listened to," said the official." What's really different here is we're not failing to prevent something, we're actively complicit. That is fundamentally different from any other situation I can recall," added the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68177357
Fear has been the leitmotiv of Israel's policy towards the Palestinians since 1948.
It absolutely dreads them. Every single step, every single law, every single political discourse, every single military operation in the past 75 years is a direct consequence of it. And when you let fear drive your actions, there's no happy ending.
A tragic irony.
Israel is a democracy, the voters need to take some of the blame.Netanyahu thrives on fear. Fear of the Arabs (those who are Israeli as well) and hate of his political rivals in Israel is what drives his base.
Oh this is the report coming from the Arab side (Al Jazeera), they claim the hold up is more on Hamas than Israel. Hamas probably wants something more in the negotiations. I'm not surprised that Israel agreed to a ceasefire considering what happened with the Philadelphi corridor in negotiations with Egypt. I don't think Israel at this point in time are ready for war with Egypt and vice versa. Egypt will not under any circumstances give Israel control over it and if Israel tried to forcefully take it that would mean the camp David accords are all but broken.I don't think their government has agreed to anything. I wouldn't believe any of those leaks till something substantial happens. They have been going on for weeks. A lot of it is to relieve the pressure off the Israeli-American side.
It's an old trick but it works every single time, especially when people know very little about the "enemy". It's not only limited to Israel, mind. Fear and the hatred born out of it are spreading everywhere right now.Netanyahu thrives on fear. Fear of the Arabs (those who are Israeli as well) and hate of his political rivals in Israel is what drives his base.
Oh this is the report coming from the Arab side (Al Jazeera), they claim the hold up is more on Hamas than Israel. Hamas probably wants something more in the negotiations. I'm not surprised that Israel agreed to a ceasefire considering what happened with the Philadelphi corridor in negotiations with Egypt. I don't think Israel at this point in time are ready for war with Egypt and vice versa. Egypt will not under any circumstances give Israel control over it and if Israel tried to forcefully take it that would mean the camp David accords are all but broken.
If biden does the right thing americans will not vote for him apparently.God almighty will the US government just stop supporting the Israeli government. What is going on here? I knew Biden was full of shit long before he became president, but even I didn't think he'd go this far. He is deliberately accommodating this heinous situation.
I wish more countries would stand up to the US, but unfortunately, some of the most powerful countries seem to be all aboard as well. I really cannot get my head around such cruelty from the people in charge.
I'm not sure what Israels end goal is here tbh. I think they probably want a ceasefire and the hostages but weren't expecting Egypt to be so against them taking the crossing. For all the talk about Iran, Egypt is by far the biggest threat to Israel.Yeah, Hamas has a proposal which isn't the first time that has happened. It's stronger talks than before but I don't expect they will agree to it unless there's a clear indication it would translate to a permanent ceasefire.
The Netanyahu government still hasn't agreed on it either, not officially anyway and there ae always threats from the likes of Ben Gvir that he would bring down the government if they agreed to stopping the war.
Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton. Despite the change in US government their foreign policy remains the same. Especially when it comes to Israel and that won't change anytime soon.God almighty will the US government just stop supporting the Israeli government. What is going on here? I knew Biden was full of shit long before he became president, but even I didn't think he'd go this far. He is deliberately accommodating this heinous situation.
I wish more countries would stand up to the US, but unfortunately, some of the most powerful countries seem to be all aboard as well. I really cannot get my head around such cruelty from the people in charge.
Nah. Most Americans want a ceasefire. In fact, he's tanking in the polls and this is one of the issue.If biden does the right thing americans will not vote for him apparently.
My question is why?I'm not sure what Israels end goal is here tbh. I think they probably want a ceasefire and the hostages but weren't expecting Egypt to be so against them taking the crossing. For all the talk about Iran, Egypt is by far the biggest threat to Israel.
Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton. Despite the change in US government their foreign policy remains the same. Especially when it comes to Israel and that won't change anytime soon.
Biden, Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton. Despite the change in US government their foreign policy remains the same. Especially when it comes to Israel and that won't change anytime soon.
In short - lobbying. AIPAC for one are incredibly powerful and too embedded within the US political system. The media is obviously overwhelmingly pro-Israeli, and then you have a base of Evangelical nutters who are convinced that Israel's ascension will speed up the rapture. Its considered mainstream political suicide to be critical of Israel. Its a mob/cartel mentality.My question is why?
They almost prioritise Israel over the United States. Biden certainly does. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to, even spitting in the face of international law. Well I never want to hear them or most Western governments ever again talk about human rights or start accusing other countries of terrorism because I won't be listening. Bloody cruel hypocrites.
I'm not sure what Israels end goal is here tbh. I think they probably want a ceasefire and the hostages but weren't expecting Egypt to be so against them taking the crossing. For all the talk about Iran, Egypt is by far the biggest threat to Israel
The big reason is it’s a strategic ally in part of the world where the US is hated. Also Biden is the most pro Israel politician in the US. He’s so bad even Israeli right wingers have told him to calm down in the past.My question is why?
They almost prioritise Israel over the United States. Biden certainly does.
And what is their obsession with always arresting children? How the hell can this be justified?
My question is why?
They almost prioritise Israel over the United States. Biden certainly does. It is bizarre the lengths they are going to, even spitting in the face of international law. Well I never want to hear them or most Western governments ever again talk about human rights or start accusing other countries of terrorism because I won't be listening. Bloody cruel hypocrites.
Was just about to reply and saw @Kaos post which basically explains it. Then you have people in congress that are Jews and are obviously sensitive to the Israeli cause. Biden has basically got Blinken (who's Jewish) running around doing damage control on behalf of Israel.In short - lobbying. AIPAC for one are incredibly powerful and too embedded within the US political system. The media is obviously overwhelmingly pro-Israeli, and then you have a base of Evangelical nutters who are convinced that Israel's ascension will speed up the rapture. Its considered mainstream political suicide to be critical of Israel. Its a mob/cartel mentality.
I disagree. There's a reason why Israel have decided against taking Philadelphi corridor. Sisi is irrelevant if that happens, the generals will make sure of that.I don't think that's the case, Egypt has been a neutralized threat for 46 years and that's not going to change anytime soon.
This line of thinking is exactly the kind of slippery slope that leads to make [insert whichever group one dislikes, disapproves, and/or is afraid of] a legitimate target for collective punishment and even genocide, so I'd be careful with that.Israel is a democracy, the voters need to take some of the blame.
Since when do most americans get what they want?Nah. Most Americans want a ceasefire.
Bad treatment of the Palestinians pre dates Netanyahu by a long time. This hate of Palestinians is embedded in Israeli's.It's an old trick but it works every single time, especially when people know very little about the "enemy". It's not only limited to Israel, mind. Fear and the hatred born out of it are spreading everywhere right now.
People just never learn and history keeps repeating itself, that's what I find incredibly sad.