Precisely. Amazing so many fail to see this. But apparently opposing British foreign policy and expecting our government to condemn the actions of all governments who bomb their neighbours into oblivion is extremism now.
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Too right but none of the shat Sunak said yesterday holds water.
Of course not, he's got nothing else to lean on so resorting to culture wars is the only throw of the dice.
Ah... but it does, patriotism may be the last refuge of a scoundrel but Sunak is signalling this will be his platform to fight Labour at the next GE. It won't stop Labour winning but might stop Starmer getting the size of majority he needs to move the dial significantly.
Labour will no doubt lose quite a lot of Muslim votes in some key seats and if Sunak can make some dis-enfranchised Tory voters think twice, appeal to their patriotism, 'stiff upper lip' extra, then he might do just enough to 'hobble' Starmer.
Sunak would have been better off ignoring the GG victory, keeping a dignified silence and let Labour stew in its own juices. After all even on a good day the Tories were never going to get anywhere near, let alone win in Rochdale.
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Those people who would have been traditional Labour supporters, but are unable to support Starmer, are any of you Labour Party members?
Surely the best way to protest would be by doing it from inside the party as opposed to protesting by not voting at all and allowing the chance of a truly racist party to remain in power?
If you can make a feasible vote for a different party, go for it, if you have to hold your nose and vote for Labour, do that, but please, please, please vote against the Tories somehow.
Surely the best way to protest would be by doing it from inside the party as opposed to protesting by not voting at all and allowing the chance of a truly racist party to remain in power?
If you can make a feasible vote for a different party, go for it, if you have to hold your nose and vote for Labour, do that, but please, please, please vote against the Tories somehow.
Starmer silences dissent from the party line. I think he's expelled more members than the previous few leaders put together.
Even more reason to join
Seems a fair take to me! Sometimes in a democracy you are powerless but you are never powerless to try.
This is what gives him credibility in certain parts of both the Tory dis-enfranchised and the so called silent majority (supposedly the irregular/GE only, voters). One group feels that they may be able to trust him (one term only mind you) and the other think he's 'a get things done' kinda leader.
Some of us are probably Labour Party members who voted for Starmer as leader due to the policies he advocated in his leadership campaign, who have subsequently watched him discard each and every one of them. When that can happen, and the party ejects outspoken socialists from it's membership, you lose faith that you can change it from the inside.
I get that, but surely you're less likely to change Labour from the outside
I'm not sure. Look how UKIP changed the Tories from the outside. Their influence, and the Tories fear of losing a few seats to them, is a huge part of where we are today.
Yep. I didn't vote for Starmer in the leadership election because I suspected he was wolf in sheep's clothing but I know plenty of people that took him for his word and regret it now.
Journalists in Gaza are reportedly organising a whip-round in support of Sam Coates.
I don't think the left are as able to coalesce on a single theme like the right have with racism, the left is about inclusion for all, so having influence in a broad church like Labour is the pretty much the only option
Hes changed Labour to make it more appealing to those on the right and the daily mail crowd. which worked upto a point, but now the overton window shifted right and hes following, haemorrhaging support from the left. the daily mail will still give him a kicking (look at the recent attempted lynching of angela rayner) and unlike the blair years they wont support him in a GE. That 20 point lead could drop and in a FPTP system he may miss out on certain seats beacuse of single issue candidates, with the state of the country, , just seems theres been a missed opportunity for a decent left wing / centre left offering. - Corbyn running on a proper left wing agenda did get 40% of the vote in the 2017 GE...A John Smith type candidate would walk the election..
Before he got booted off air I used to enjoy flicking over and listening to Galloway’s show on Talk Radio I think it was. I didn’t know anything about him at the time and in that context he used to make a few good points. He probably held back a bit for national radio, until he didn’t.
So Starmer praised little Rishi's speech yesterday.
Galloway is being described as a left-wing Farage, left-wing firebrand etc. However is he actually left wing these days?
I seem to recall that he actually said a few years ago that he no longer considered himself to be left-wing (the key part there being ‘no longer’). He is definitely socially conservative as I think he has also said himself.
Now I do think there has been a growing number of people that both support left-wing domestic policies and are socially conservative, so agreeing with Corbyn when it comes to a wealth tax and re-(nationalising) public utilities and the railways, while also agreeing with Farage when it comes to immigration and culture wars etc.
But do we even know what domestic policies regarding taxes, education, the NHS, utilities, transport etc. Galloway actually supports these days (a genuine question as I’m not willing to watch his YouTube channel). His foreign policy stances alone do not necessarily mean that he is left-wing, and for example (clearly for monetary reasons) he didn’t speak up when Assad who he supported attacked Palestinians in Yarmouk and other refugee camps.
I seem to recall that he actually said a few years ago that he no longer considered himself to be left-wing (the key part there being ‘no longer’). He is definitely socially conservative as I think he has also said himself.
Now I do think there has been a growing number of people that both support left-wing domestic policies and are socially conservative, so agreeing with Corbyn when it comes to a wealth tax and re-(nationalising) public utilities and the railways, while also agreeing with Farage when it comes to immigration and culture wars etc.
But do we even know what domestic policies regarding taxes, education, the NHS, utilities, transport etc. Galloway actually supports these days (a genuine question as I’m not willing to watch his YouTube channel). His foreign policy stances alone do not necessarily mean that he is left-wing, and for example (clearly for monetary reasons) he didn’t speak up when Assad who he supported attacked Palestinians in Yarmouk and other refugee camps.
Big one. Been saying it for ages. That Labour find it difficult to call some issues out needs alarm bells ringing. This country is on a slippery slope to Yankee land.
The difference between Kuessenberg interviewing Tories and interviewing anyone else isn’t the difficulty of the questions it’s the amount of time she affords them to answer and the number of interruptions
Imagine if your mentor (Tony fecking Blair) is actually a war criminal and you yourself support collective punishment of the Palestinians. What type of a human being you consider yourself?
He is whatever he thinks will get him the most attention. In his current campaign that means sending different messages promising different things to different groups, all to stir up resentment even further. I wouldn't be surprised if his Israeli free zones make a reappearance.
When you've got George Galloway winning and a car dealer coming second you know you've got problems.
I am not sure the public knows the half of it, the people of Rochdale will start to see GG for the interloper he is, hopefully when it's not too late.
Who the feck would vote for these crooks?
Fewer than 20% of levelling up projects completed in England, figures show
Exclusive: Plans either shelved or stalled despite being part of flagship policy promise at last election
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...velling-up-projects-completed-england-figures
Fewer than 20% of levelling up projects completed in England, figures show
Exclusive: Plans either shelved or stalled despite being part of flagship policy promise at last election
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...velling-up-projects-completed-england-figures
All this patronising others is all well and good but the people of Rochdale are not some second level intellectually challenged scrotes who you can look down on.
They overwhelmingly voted a scammer in knowing full well his past and pretty much understanding what the future holds. What you need to do (not just 'you' personally but using you as an aid) is to open your eyes wider to how serious this period of open genocide is that you are forced to take this step. Some of you are still not getting Aaron Bushnell's message. Re-read his his last words. Rest in power Aaron Bushnell.
With all the controversy around catman and how bad he is, he is not worse than 2 of the last 3 labour leaders. One is a war criminal caused the destruction of an entire land based on lies he deceived the public about, the blood of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on his hand. The other one is a student of the former (he looks up to him) and he is starting to show it now, by suggesting that Palestinians deserve collective punishments and siding with a plausible genocidal/war crime colonial state.
There are islamist groups, but I do not know what are their names.
Jeremy Hnut
Jeremy Hunt has given over £100k to local Tory party in effort to retain seat
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l-conservative-association-godalming-ash-seat
Jeremy Hunt has given over £100k to local Tory party in effort to retain seat
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...l-conservative-association-godalming-ash-seat
Jeremy Hunt: prime James Blunt
Agreed.
His move to becoming more and more socially conservative in recent years, was clearly a deliberate move to further enhance his bank balance and profile. There is clearly, sadly IMO, a sizeable number of people out there who are at least right-wing / conservative when it comes to social issues such immigration, foreign aid, internationalism in general etc. A lot of those probably care more about those issues than day to day domestic issues like health, education, taxes etc., and they claim that they are victims, ignored by mainstream media. That's a wide audience for a grifter like Galloway to appeal to, make money off etc.
Jimmy Dore for example in the US has made the same, clearly deliberate move rightwards to make more money, culminating in him saying that he'd take Mitch McConnell over Bernie Sanders any day. The idea of him being a left-winger, when he constantly criticised the Democrats including the likes of Sanders and AOC, while hardly ever criticising the Republicans in comparison, was of course absurd.
The current Labour leadership is the greatest thing to happen to anyone who believes in Tory values and cares little for the colour of rosettes and which side they support on the Internet.
The results of the election suggest differently, if the majority of those who voted for GG were former Labour voters who wanted to give Starmer a 'bloodynose' over Gaza, then why not support the man originally chosen by Labour, but who was then abandoned?
This was not about influencing Labour politics in Rochdale, and it gave Sunak an opportunity he should never have been given to raise a clarion call for patriotism across the country. It's a very dangerous outcome for everyone.
I think the result was a product of high absense, rather than voters jumping to another candidate. Still, Rochdale wanted to try something different, and they will have the chance to course correct in a few months, if it turns out that GG is as shit as he appears to be. Then we'll know for sure.
A couple of us, well over a million active ex-Labour, voters are keeping a keen eye on this.
Galloway wants to get in bed with Corbyn.