That's if he get's enough games to improve his game during these years.
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That's if he get's enough games to improve his game during these years.
Okay. In that case, I want to add that Fabio is going to be our best player when his inconsistency wears off. He was the best player in the u17s.
How many games have you watched Anderson in besides the games he has played for United?
Eh, I never wrote what you quoted you gimp. K14 did.
OK you didn't say it but you were still saying no-one said it when it had been said, my mistake thinking you were defending yourself
That's true. Just like with Anderson, a lot of things will have to go his way for him to become the player he could/might end up as
it seems so damned difficult to predict who is going to become the best and who isn't. it seems as often as not that someone that shows every sign of having that quality ends up being mediocre. that may have as much to do with managers as the players for all i know, being played out of position, being asked to play a role that goes against their strength, problems moving to new countries, et cetera.
k14, i'm glad you're excited. i'm a muppet for ronaldo, he can do no wrong in my eyes [well, only siths deal in absolutes (absolutely only siths) but you get my point] and i won't hear any argument that he isn't the best in the world. but i don't watch every kaka and ibrahimovitch and ronaldinho/messi/eto'o game.
but it does seem like the argument could be arranged, on both sides, with a little less anger. naturally, opinions are polarizing, people see their favorite players through red tinted glasses.
and i was going to recommend to my caf friends to temper their anger with interest in understanding someone else's perspective, but life has been emphasizing to me recently how little people are interested in advice. perhaps that's why we throw around insults, shame works better than logic. or perhaps they are uninterested in changing, and that is why our insults hide advice about how to be more like us.
feel free to ignore all this [if you were already going to ignore it you didn't wait for my offer anyway]. enjoy your spat!
k14, i'm glad you're excited. i'm a muppet for ronaldo, he can do no wrong in my eyes [well, only siths deal in absolutes (absolutely only siths) but you get my point] and i won't hear any argument that he isn't the best in the world. but i don't watch every kaka and ibrahimovitch and ronaldinho/messi/eto'o game.
but it does seem like the argument could be arranged, on both sides, with a little less anger. naturally, opinions are polarizing, people see their favorite players through red tinted glasses.
and i was going to recommend to my caf friends to temper their anger with interest in understanding someone else's perspective, but life has been emphasizing to me recently how little people are interested in advice. perhaps that's why we throw around insults, shame works better than logic. or perhaps they are uninterested in changing, and that is why our insults hide advice about how to be more like us.
feel free to ignore all this [if you were already going to ignore it you didn't wait for my offer anyway]. enjoy your spat!
K14, John Obi Mikel is quite awsome as well you know. If you ever watched him in his younger years you'd see he was like anderson and maybe even more.
John Obi Mikel is a fantastic prospect too. As much of a cnut as he is, i openly point out that i am quite disappointed we mist out on him. However, that usually get's intepreted as some sort of racial attack on Carrick, Fletcher or Hargreaves, with some sort of, 'you hate English players' comment thrown out.
Your being a bit of a baby there, mikel is a excellent prospect who will go onto be one of the best midfield players in europe, I would imagine no one would dispute that. However people would look at say you comments on Carrick since he is clearly competeing with your favorite Anderson, in your eyes anyway (I personally think there are plenty of games for both) and say why has he suddenly got a downer on Carrick. Same for Giggsy and Nani, I knew as soon as the season started there would be alot of negative K14 Giggs posts. Now you can come back with all the persecution stuff you normally come back with but thats how it appears.
Mikel is a fantastic prospect as bad as it is. I don't like the little bastard at all, but it's impossible to deny that he has got a huge amount of potential. You can't deny talents like Mikel just because he's a prick.
Good post mate.
I see it as badly adviced more than anything, he made the wrong choice not coming here, he could have been central to our future but I think it was bad advice rather than him being a prick.
I'd take Anderson above Mikel any day. They both have good passing technique but Anderson has better movement, tackling, work ethic and skill on the ball; at least from what I've seen. The only thing that Anderson lacks on Mikel is height.
That's what I thought for so long, and even defended him over. I thought for ages he was just misled, badly advised and generally misguided by others. But once I heard the interviews from him where he repeatedly disgraced United by outlining why he had chose Chelsea over us was too much. Even after all of that mess cleaned up and he was actually playing with Chelsea at the start, there were still many things that irked me about him, and made me think of him as a prick.
For what it's worth, i've been an open Carrick supporter for a while. What i don't like is, is it not possible for me to honestly feel that Anderson should start ahead of Carrick, or Nani to start ahead of Giggs?
I've noticed, when reading through this forum, that many posters agree with this, but i often feel i should keep mine to myself, because when i say it, it must be taken differently from our 'proper fans' who seem to feel Nani should start, it's some favouritism thing apparently.
For my money, Anderson and Nani have, this season, been better or contributed more, than Carrick and Giggs. You have no idea how frustrating it is that that view can never possibly be seen as a genuine footballing observtion. So with every post, i have to jump into a silly 2 page argument about who i like more etc, wheras i've witnessed so many other posters getting away with saying they feel Nani should start ahead of Giggs without being abused and told to play computer games etc.
If you put them together though they could really grow into something very special, they would complement each other imo and be a really dominate partnership for a decade or more, unforutnatley we will never know though.
hello Hectic...good to see you back....
what were you up to....
nah dont miss that bellend Obi though....
what were you up to....
nah dont miss that bellend Obi though....
As would I. I haven't seen enough of either to make the decision easy. But Anderson has shown flashes of brilliance and glimpses to parts of his game that Mikel doesn't posess. I think both have great potential though, and it would be very interesting to see how they fare in a few seasons time.
Hello RD, how's things going? I was moving flats, and adjusting to a bit of a different life so I didn't post on here much. I'm settled now though, so it's back on here I go.
Personally I thought he was our worst player today - that's not saying much, the whole team was very impressive, but he misplaced quite a few passes that you usually see him finish quite easily.
Didn't expect to see any wanking over him based on today's performance. I'm a big fan though.
Didn't expect to see any wanking over him based on today's performance. I'm a big fan though.
Again, can this not just be because i reckon he's playing poorly? The fact that we have a seemingly viable alternative as opposed to putting Fletcher out wide just makes it more frustrating, but in my view, not sure Giggs is in the team every game because he is simply playing better than Nani.
I don't see the fuss with Mikel really. He can pass the ball, definitely, but his work rate is not good, his attitude is dodgy, he makes rash tackles (will get away with them more when he's older probably) and he's yet to make much of an impact at Chelsea. I mean, I'm not saying he's crap, or anything silly, but I don't see him developing into a player above, say, Carrick's class.
Anderson's got the lot, though.
Anderson's got the lot, though.
Are you still in MK?
Again, i agree with this, but CantonaVeron, you can't honestly say that you would have just accepted the above view if it were me who posted it, surely?
Haha, nah I'm in my second year now so I had to move anyway.
I'm back on some weekends, but mostly in London.
good to have you back anyways Heretic.....please keep these scousers and muppets in check.... 
Cheers, apprecaited!
I will indeed, or at least try too.
I will indeed, or at least try too.
Anderson as contributed more than Carrick, I don't agree with the Nani/Giggs thing both have contributed quite a bit imo, they have been used correctly by Ferguson. I'm so pleased about the depth of the squad we have quality players I just think every one of those players can contribute so much from us. I just felt from your Carrick/Fletcher post and I may be wrong on this so I apologise if I am, that you were trying to bring across Carrick shouldn't play an important role anymore as Anderson needs to play every game. I can understand your excitment over Anderson he is clearly going to be a very good player, quite possibly one of the best in the world but that doesn't mean we don't need Carrick (or Hargreaves or Scholes or indeed Fletcher)
You are being ridiculous. Its his opinion that Anderson is a great talent and has the quality to become one of the best in the world if he continues his progress. You might disagree but thats his opinion.
Rooney was the 'White Pele' and the saviour of English football after 3(admittedly brilliant) displays in the Euro's. He turned out to be a fantastic player but those opinions were not ridiculed as FM conclusions.
Before last season, the opinion of most English posters on here was that Lennon more talented than Ronaldo. Many muppets on here laughed when there were posts early last season about Fabregas developing into one of the best midfielders in Europe. When someone like K14 comments about a foreign talent, the usual response is about 'FM conclusions' whereas British players with half the talent are hyped up more on this forum.
I don't believe that's true - that most English posters thought Lennon was more talented than Ronaldo before last season.
Not saying i'm upset that we didn't get Mikel as we have possibly dodged a bullet considering how much of a complete shitbag the individual is, but it is clear that he is very talented. Anderson looks immense though and i'm thrilled we got him.
The premiership truly does have some astonishing youth talent now with Rooney, Ronaldo, Mikel, Fabregas, Anderson, Nani, etc.
The premiership truly does have some astonishing youth talent now with Rooney, Ronaldo, Mikel, Fabregas, Anderson, Nani, etc.
Only you know and I'm not going to turn this into a argument.
I think its great to have options, Fletcher out wide doesn't really work I agree with that I just think giggsy and Nani have been rotated really well. I would expect Giggsy to start the more important games because of his experience and his defensive responseability, but in general Ferguson has rotated it very well. However I would exepect towards the end of the season begining of next that Nani would over take Giggsy and be important to the bigger games.
I'm a Carrick fan. I had him in my 'Top 10 to watch this season', in addition to Anderson. However, he played on Wednesday to stake his claim, given Anderson had been playing, and playing very well in recent games. My question was, do people think he did enough in that performance, to confirm he was number 1 in Scholes' absence, or basically, would you still expect Anderson to start next game? I thought it was the latter, he personally disappointed me.
Anderson does not need to play every game no, but he deserves to be picked right now at least. Obviously that doesn't mean we don't need another midfielder besdies Anderson. That was never the question, that's only the question because people decide to intepret it as some sort of 'k14 FM outburst' etc.
I think some of the arguments are needless. You and I had several run-in's over Smith, who i felt was quite rubbish. I reckon most posters on here probably agree now that he has gone, wheras when he was here, they were calling me names at times for saying Saha was better than him and should start! I honestly reckon people just want to have a go as a result of a perception of me they have bought into as a result of a handful of posters making some tongue in cheek comments over the years, which has now gotten out of hand.
Look at my tag name for instance, i don't post in the transfer forum more than many other posters. It's just ridiculous.
It again depends on how you put it, whether its a case of bin Scholesy who is still very important to our team or bring them both in and have them learn from Scholsey, share the games around etc. My opinion on both Anderson and Mikel is they will be up there with the very best which is basically the same as yours. What we have generally had arguments about in the past is negative comments from you about our players specifically Paul Scholes (we are not going into that by the way its nots the point of the post) I wouldn't pull you up for saying Anderson and Mikel will be world class players because quite simply its true, if we had them both now we could grow them together the partnership would be immense imo because of the attributes of both players and the massive potential both have, in five years time if they both fufil that potential we would be unplayable imo and even better Keane and Ince combination.
That's fair. All i'm saying, is that given how he has played, it is not a ridiculous statement to say you would prefer Nani to start any particular game. It's perfectly justifiable for just about any football observer to say this, except k14, because then it means something else. I find that a bit silly.
K14 if you were a manager you'd be Arsene Wenger. You'd have a team perpetually full of young, talented foreigners and would win feck all.
K14 does get a lot of undeserved stick. Even when I disagree with him there's at least a kernel of truth in his posts.