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We'd basically be replacing VanNistelrooy with someone who's not as good, and we'd still need someone who could run in behind defences and turn them to create space (i.e. a fit Louis Saha).

Would still be a decent signing though
 
Nice to see you again in a Berbatov thread Gus, I remember last year refreshing the big Berbatov thread every few minutes seeing you post there frequently and crave for the transfer. I'm in the same boat mate.
 
Sultan said:
Reminds me of Cantona.

I have reservations about his work rate, and attitude, but if the 20 Million figure is anywhere near correct, he would represent great value for money and a much needed addition to the squad.
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Id be surprised if we get him for 20. Keep in mind we opened the bidding for carrick at 10mil was it??

With regard to the workrate i think you'd see 2 things. One he'd work slightly harder..but also an acceptance on utd's part that that isnt really as aspect of his game. As long as he's bringing other aspects to the team that compensate, and is seen to be working hard to the upper levels of his work rate (if you know what i mean) then everything will be fine.

Its like fergie said of cantona, he'd let him get away with certain things because come saturday he'll go and win you the game. We've already seen that with an indulgance of ronaldo over the years.
 
lorcanjc said:
When was the last time we had Saha for anything?
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Yup, he wasn't even called upon by Sir Alex to come on in the CL final
to take one of the penalties. Sir Alex must haven been concerned the
referees whistle for him to take the penalty might result in a burst eardrum. :nervous:
 
Drifter said:
But we have Saha for that.
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Bless your little cottons.

I agree with Gus here. Not just that we should sign him, but that Berbatov would prove to be one of the best strikers in the world with us. He could have 4-5 great seasons at OT, would fit right into the team - giving us a bit of presence upfront, aswell as goals, without risrupting our attacking verve. He would be the most exciting signing since Rooney, no doubt about it.
 
Sultan said:
Reminds me of Cantona.

I have reservations about his work rate, and attitude, but if the 20 Million figure is anywhere near correct, he would represent great value for money and a much needed addition to the squad.
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Exactly £13m for Crouch or £20m for Berbatov
 
Fazer said:
Yup, he wasn't even called upon by Sir Alex to come on in the CL final
to take one of the penalties. Sir Alex must haven been concerned the
referees whistle for him to take the penalty might result in a burst eardrum. :nervous:
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Funny, but he didn't even make the bench which is even more telling.
 
noodlehair said:
We'd basically be replacing VanNistelrooy with someone who's not as good, and we'd stil need someone who could run in behind defences and be a target man (i.e. a fit Louis Saha).

Still could be a decent signing though
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Grossly incorrect. Firstly he's a far better player than van nistelrooy, secondly he's totally different. Vanistelrooy is far and away a better goalscorer.

Berbatov is as likely to make a goal as he is to score them. With the running in behind thing i think thats a good point but alot depends on whether we have ronaldo or not. If we dont that becomes an issue. Rooney would have to be played up with berbatov to threaten in behind from time to time as he used to.

Saying that berbatov isnt all that slow so can threaten over the top a little...i think..or hope.

Kaiketsu_Zorro said:
Nice to see you again in a Berbatov thread Gus, I remember last year refreshing the big Berbatov thread every few minutes seeing you post there frequently and crave for the transfer. I'm in the same boat mate.
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its just nice to have something positive to talk about apart from the the ronaldo situation :D
 
Lot 49 said:
Nah you flipped out and said that it was a terrible move and that Fergie has lost it. Remember?
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The well read amoung us know my feelings on the matter very well. I cant ellaborate on each on every post i make otherwise id be here all day. I can quote about 10 posts where my arguement is made clearly and with expert precision.

However from time to time i do like to rant because its the best way to penetrate the masses.
 
GusHiddink said:
The well read amoung us know my feelings on the matter very well. I cant ellaborate on each on every post i make otherwise id be here all day. I can quote about 10 posts where my arguement is made clearly and with expert precision.

However from time to time i do like to rant because its the best way to penetrate the masses.
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Gus, have you ever listened to yourself?
 
cockneyred said:
how about 25mill + saha for berbatov ?
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I suppose it depends if there is interest in Saha from abroad or from bolton

Also spurs might not want him so it probably wouldn't happen
 
Would take Berbs about 2 matches before someone starts a "we've a new Cantona :drool:" thread I reckon. Great player, easily 5 seasons left in him. The perfect on the pitch role model for young Macheda as well. Experienced, very good goal and assist ratio at Spuds. Great signing if it happens, the only thing I'm a bit worried about is how he'll react if he's benched for several games in a row. It's a squad game, but if Ron doesn't leave and Tevez takes the step I expect him to take after a summer's rest, Dimitar could find himself out of the starting XI for the truly big games. It's all hypothetical off course, but would he react in the right manner? My only slight concern.
 
This will be good for the team. but ronaldo going or staying and sulking around the pitch with a face on, this will be scant consolation.
We have to keep moving forward though, fecking ronaldo why would he want to leave this team that has such enormous potential and which is already the best team in the world!?
 
GusHiddink said:
If we can get berbatov for say 25-27 mil and shift louis for 5-7 thats gotta go down as decent business all round.
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yes. Bolton were rumored to be interested at 8 million so we have a few things to weight up.

Even at that cost, Berbatov has a good 6+ years in him, injury permitting and so I just hope it doesn't drag on but we saw with the carrick deal how tough they can be.

Having said that i'm hoping that because of this Ronaldo nonsense, we'll be more willing to just make a deal quicker.
 
AcquireMe said:
Its important to remember that Berbatov is proven in the Premier League and scores goals for fun at a shite team like Spurs.
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Agreed. 46 goals in 101 appearances for Spurs so far, including 27 league goals in two years. These are very decent stats to be fair. Same can be said for his record at Leverkusen (90 goals in 194 appearances, including domestic and European Cup competitions). With Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov upfront we would have four players able to score around 20 goals a season.
 
Elliott said:
Would take Berbs about 2 matches before someone starts a "we've a new Cantona :drool:" thread I reckon. Great player, easily 5 seasons left in him. The perfect on the pitch role model for young Macheda as well. Experienced, very good goal and assist ratio at Spuds. Great signing if it happens, the only thing I'm a bit worried about is how he'll react if he's benched for several games in a row. It's a squad game, but if Ron doesn't leave and Tevez takes the step I expect him to take after a summer's rest, Dimitar could find himself out of the starting XI for the truly big games. It's all hypothetical off course, but would he react in the right manner? My only slight concern.
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Not long...about 2 games would be right.

I dont think that would be a problem if such a situation occured. You often see players with seemingly questionable attitudes buck up their ideas at bigger clubs surrounded by bigger players.

Besides id be surprised if he doesnt play himself into our starting line up for the big games, very surprised. Maybe not every big game but certainly for the biggest.
 
Anduin said:
Agreed. 46 goals in 101 appearances for Spurs so far, including 27 league goals in two years. These are very decent stats to be fair. Same can be said for his record at Leverkusen (90 goals in 194 appearances, including domestic and European Cup competitions). With Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov upfront we would have four players able to score around 20 goals a season.
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Don't forget Manucho. If we get him in, an unknown quantity. I think we have quite high hopes for him
 
GusHiddink said:
Grossly incorrect. Firstly he's a far better player than van nistelrooy, secondly he's totally different. Vanistelrooy is far and away a better goalscorer.

Berbatov is as likely to make a goal as he is to score them. With the running in behind thing i think thats a good point but alot depends on whether we have ronaldo or not. If we dont that becomes an issue. Rooney would have to be played up with berbatov to threaten in behind from time to time as he used to.

Saying that berbatov isnt all that slow so can threaten over the top a little...i think..or hope.
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He's not an immensely better player than VanNistelrooy. Being more of a creator doesn't make you a better player.

He'd play in the same role Ruud used to play in. It frees up Rooney, and Berbatov's not a sloath, but he still prefers for the ball to be played into his feet, just like Rooney, and Tevez.

What we need ideally is someone to stretch defences so that players like Rooney have the space with which to destroy teams.

Still he's a good player. He'd have no problem fitting in ability wise.
 
giggs-beckham said:
This will be good for the team. but ronaldo going or staying and sulking around the pitch with a face on, this will be scant consolation.
We have to keep moving forward though, fecking ronaldo why would he want to leave this team that has such enormous potential and which is already the best team in the world!?
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Agree, cant see the logic in leaving now...why not stay a couple more years until the gaffer retires. I understand he wants to play for madrid but he's still young!!

The sulking point is an unfair one, we kept him after that rooney nonsense and he didnt sulk. I doubt he'd sulk now. I still think they will reach some sort of gentlemans agreement i.e. stay until fergie retires in a year or 2 and we wont stand in your way if we get a fee of xxx
 
Elliott said:
Great signing if it happens, the only thing I'm a bit worried about is how he'll react if he's benched for several games in a row. It's a squad game, but if Ron doesn't leave and Tevez takes the step I expect him to take after a summer's rest, Dimitar could find himself out of the starting XI for the truly big games. It's all hypothetical off course, but would he react in the right manner? My only slight concern.
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Nah, I reckon he'd be a definate starter for the big games. At times last season we resorted to having Rooney or even Ronaldo upfront alone in big games, which is not the best position for either of them. So if we ever want to go 451 - which SAF likes doing for tough away games, especially in Europe - then I'm sure Berbatov would be the '1'.
 
Rowem said:
Nah, I reckon he'd be a definate starter for the big games. At times last season we resorted to having Rooney or even Ronaldo upfront alone in big games, which is not the best position for either of them. So if we ever want to go 451 - which SAF likes doing for tough away games, especially in Europe - then I'm sure Berbatov would be the '1'.
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Indeed, well said.
 
Anduin said:
Agreed. 46 goals in 101 appearances for Spurs so far, including 27 league goals in two years. These are very decent stats to be fair. Same can be said for his record at Leverkusen (90 goals in 194 appearances, including domestic and European Cup competitions). With Rooney, Tevez, Ronaldo and Berbatov upfront we would have four players able to score around 20 goals a season.
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Don't forget 39 in 65 for Bulgaria, 25 in 50 for CSKA Sofia.
 
noodlehair said:
He's not an immensely better player than VanNistelrooy. Being more of a creator doesn't make you a better player.

He'd play in the same role Ruud used to play in. It frees up Rooney, and Berbatov's not a sloath, but he still prefers for the ball to be played into his feet, just like Rooney, and Tevez.

What we need ideally is someone to stretch defences so that players like Rooney have the space with which to destroy teams.

Still he's a good player. He'd have no problem fitting in ability wise.
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Berbatov is better than RVN in the sense that he is more capable of playing in our other attacking players with just a touch or his superior hold up play. He is the type of player that instinctively knows where his team mates and opponents are without really having to look up, its just instinct and feel for the game which cannot be taught and Berbatov has that in abundance. Let this be true please.
 
Fazer said:
Berbatov is better than RVN in the sense that he is more capable of playing in our other attacking players with just a touch or his superior hold up play. He is the type of player that instinctively knows where his team mates and opponents are without really having to look up, its just instinct and feel for the game which cannot be taught and Berbatov has that in abundance. Let this be true please.
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I agree....was going to reply to noodle but i see his point as well...vanistelrooy's goal scoring ability compensates for the deficit in other areas and vice versa....

I have a feeling utd fans would take to berbatov even more though because of his ability to produce those moments of individual brilliance we all love so much.
 
Fazer said:
Berbatov is better than RVN in the sense that he is more capable of playing in our other attacking players with just a touch or his superior hold up play. He is the type of player that instinctively knows where his team mates and opponents are without really having to look up, its just instinct and feel for the game which cannot be taught and Berbatov has that in abundance. Let this be true please.
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Superior hold up play?

VanNistelrooy's one of the best I've seen at hold up play. If anything he was too good as we ended up basing too much of our attacking play around him holding the ball up.

Berbatov's a much craftier player than VanNistelrooy though, that's true
 
RvN was great at bringing the ball under control and holding off defenders, but he wasn't as capable as Berbatov at then doing something with it. He would play the simple pass, which was fine, (or sometimes he wouldnt even do that), but Berbatov is more capable of picking out an extraordinary pass/flick, or beating the defender himself.
 
noodlehair said:
Superior hold up play?

VanNistelrooy's one of the best I've seen at hold up play. If anything he was too good as we ended up basing too much of our attacking play around him holding the ball up.

Berbatov's a much craftier player than VanNistelrooy though, that's true
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Hold up play in the sense that at times, Berbatov was the lone attacker upfront when Spurs were under pressure, and 9 out of 10 times he managed to keep possession of the ball even with 2 or 3 defenders hovering around him with his superb close control.
RVN's hold up play during the latter stages of his stay here were extremely frustrating to say the least as he chose to hang on to the ball needlessly instead of making a simple one touch pass to a better placed team mate. Its got nothing to do with him being too good but rather he was being too selfish.
I stand by my view that Berbatov is superior in that sense.
 
I don't usually get the opportunity to agree with Noods, but heres on such time. Sadly I've had to stumble into the transfer forum to do it though :(

Berbatov isn't the same quality of striker as Van Nistlerooy, the bottom line is that he won't score as many goals as the Dutchman. That said he's still an extremely good player, I have my questions about his attitude and pace, but I see no reason why he couldn't be successful here

I'd much prefer to see Eto'o join, who I think is one of the very best strikers in the world. I'm flabbergasted Barca are letting him go, especially if they're turfing out Ronaldinho too, where most of the tension existed. I still live in hope...
 
noodlehair said:
Superior hold up play?

VanNistelrooy's one of the best I've seen at hold up play. If anything he was too good as we ended up basing too much of our attacking play around him holding the ball up.

Berbatov's a much craftier player than VanNistelrooy though, that's true
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Rowem said:
RvN was great at bringing the ball under control and holding off defenders, but he wasn't as capable as Berbatov at then doing something with it. He would play the simple pass, which was fine, (or sometimes he wouldnt even do that), but Berbatov is more capable of picking out an extraordinary pass/flick, or beating the defender himself.
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Spot on reply, was just going to write pretty much the same thing...no doubt worded worser....
 
Brad said:
I don't usually get the opportunity to agree with Noods, but heres on such time. Sadly I've had to stumble into the transfer forum to do it though :(

Berbatov isn't the same quality of striker as Van Nistlerooy, the bottom line is that he won't score as many goals as the Dutchman. That said he's still an extremely good player, I have my questions about his attitude and pace, but I see no reason why he couldn't be successful here

I'd much prefer to see Eto'o join, who I think is one of the very best strikers in the world. I'm flabbergasted Barca are letting him go, especially if they're turfing out Ronaldinho too, where most of the tension existed. I still live in hope...
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The 1st part of that sentence is simply not true. The second is right.

But he'll bring more to the team overall.
 
Ruud holds the ball up better then Berbatov, in fact his all round play was better then is talked about, from what is said you'd imagine all Ruud did was stay within 10 yards of the penalty spot waiting for the ball to arrive.
 
Mozza said:
Ruud holds the ball up better then Berbatov, in fact his all round play was better then is talked about, from what is said you'd imagine all Ruud did was stay within 10 yards of the penalty spot waiting for the ball to arrive.
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Id have to respectfully disagree moz.

watched one game for spurs 2 seasons ago where berbatov played up top alone and spurs got someone sent off.

He was in spendid isolation. All spurs and paul robinson in particular (!!) did was hoof the ball in his general direction and it was amazing surrounded by defenders he fended them off and brought it down time after time as if he wasnt even under pressure. Some players couldnt have done it with no pressure let alone with 2 defenders climbing all over them.

Ruud was good at holding up the ball in the sense of keeping it but rowem was right, wasnt the best in terms of keeping it and linking up in a fluent move. Was more a case of keep it, lay it off , get in the box and wait for a finish.

Yorke was better than ruud at holding up and linking play for example. No slight on ruud who was a far better striker all round.
 
Elliott said:
Would take Berbs about 2 matches before someone starts a "we've a new Cantona :drool:" thread I reckon. Great player, easily 5 seasons left in him. The perfect on the pitch role model for young Macheda as well. Experienced, very good goal and assist ratio at Spuds. Great signing if it happens, the only thing I'm a bit worried about is how he'll react if he's benched for several games in a row. It's a squad game, but if Ron doesn't leave and Tevez takes the step I expect him to take after a summer's rest, Dimitar could find himself out of the starting XI for the truly big games. It's all hypothetical off course, but would he react in the right manner? My only slight concern.
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Personally, I can see Ron going this season, and if he doesnt go, he certainly will be marginalised at United. I wouldn't bet against Fergie dropping Ronaldo to the bench, and giving Nani his due, or better yet, playing Berbatov in the lone striker's role with Rooney and Tevez playing off him...
 
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