Berbatov
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He has the potential to be as good as Ronaldo, but different from Ronaldo. Yes its a feat, but he is one of several who could achieve it. Especially here.
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What he said.
Obviously we are run as a business, so we should sign a blend of young players with potential (e.g. Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson) who can help build a squad as good as Chelsea's, without needing to match their mentalist spending. Then you combine these "potential greats" with a nucleus of world-class stars who you will hope to hold onto until their best years are over, irrespective of their re-sale value (e.g. Ferdinand, Neville, Evra, Vidic and, oh yes, Berbatov)
I know it's a harsh insult but I can't help thinking that people who obsess about re-sale value (especially looking to make a profit on a 40m transfer!) must be spending a wee bit too much time playing a certain computer-based football manager simulation
That's a horrible thing to say about someone! I've never played FM in my life. Sensible Soccer was the only game for me.OK, maybe I'm thinking in terms of investments too much as it's something I deal with in the real world.
But in Uniteds strained financial position I don't see how we could afford to be paying Spurs the same amount for Berbatov as we paid for Rooney.
Rooney was always a fantastic investment given his age. As long as he avoided serious injury we were always going to be able to sell him to someone for a large fee if things did not quite work out.
OK, maybe I'm thinking in terms of investments too much as it's something I deal with in the real world.
But in Uniteds strained financial position I don't see how we could afford to be paying Spurs the same amount for Berbatov as we paid for Rooney.
Rooney was always a fantastic investment given his age. As long as he avoided serious injury we were always going to be able to sell him to someone for a large fee if things did not quite work out.
Success on the pitch=money off it... end of equation in my opinion!
Creative colour scheme. Good innovation.
OK, maybe I'm thinking in terms of investments too much as it's something I deal with in the real world.
But in Uniteds strained financial position I don't see how we could afford to be paying Spurs the same amount for Berbatov as we paid for Rooney.
Rooney was always a fantastic investment given his age. As long as he avoided serious injury we were always going to be able to sell him to someone for a large fee if things did not quite work out.
Not a bad game that. Although I'm more of a Pro Evo man myself
You make a good point about our "strained" financial position (which is putting it mildly!) but I do think that managing a team like United involves taking the odd hit to sign the player that Fergie thinks will improve our team. This sort of player doesn't come along that often but, when they do, paying what seems like an excessive fee in the short term, can pay brilliant dividends in terms of sustained on the pitch success, in the long term (which ends up providing financial benefits in it's own right)
Perhaps they should look at signing that Darren Bent bloke? I've heard he can play up top on his own
You should make it your thing.... your signature...like the chief goes
so say the chief
or whatever he does.Fernando Torres ring a bell?
The price is a concern. It has to be. Football clubs are businesses, and in 99% of all the deals ever made in history, one side gets the better of it. United rarely get the better of theirs.Not a bad game that. Although I'm more of a Pro Evo man myself
You make a good point about our "strained" financial position (which is putting it mildly!) but I do think that managing a team like United involves taking the odd hit to sign the player that Fergie thinks will improve our team. This sort of player doesn't come along that often but, when they do, paying what seems like an excessive fee in the short term, can pay brilliant dividends in terms of sustained on the pitch success, in the long term (which ends up providing financial benefits in it's own right)
I've never liked this line from supporters, that 'it costs what it costs'. On one hand they want signings. Big, expensive Rolls Royce players. On the other hand, they want cheaper match tickets. These two things are not unrelated. You want one, then you won't get the other.
Personally I'm surprised that we are willing to go out and buy another 25m player, given the circumstances. If Ronaldo stays, we're going to have at least one 25m pound striker warming the bench every week. Great for the fans? Yes. Necessary? No. Overkill IMO.
Lets hope its because the Glazers are very comfortable with the books, and not because we have our own clan of Peter Ridsdales running the show.
Only if:
a) we make Tevez's loan deal permanent
b) SAF can't find a way to play Rooney, Tevez and Berbatov in the same starting XI
Personally, I wouldn't be all that surprised if a) happens and b) doesn't.
I'd be astonished if we never made Tevez permanent. Assuming the numbers are true, we pay 10m for two years, another 10m to own him outright. Even if we didn't want him, it would make financial sense to pay the extra 10 and then flog him.
Those three can surely only play together if Ronaldo goes. In fact this purchase, more than anything else that has happened this summer, is starting to make me wonder if perhaps he is on his way.
If that is your point it's pretty pathetic. He is gonna be at Utd and chances will be huge for him. It's his talent what we are considering and the man has it all.
To be honest is pretty funny when your Van Persie hardly gets 12 goals in a entire season.
04/05 --- 41 games--10 goals
05/06 --- 38 games--11 goals
06/07 --- 31 games--13 goals
07/08 --- 23 games---9 goals
Let's see Adebayor
05/06 ---13 games--4 goals
06/07 ---44 games--12 goals
07/08 ---49 games--30 goals (Finally developed)
Dimitar Berbatov has all but sealed a move to Manchester United after the Old Trafford club indicated that they were willing to pay around £28m for the striker.
At the time of going to press, United had not yet met Spurs' valuation but a resolution seems likely, despite Daniel Levy's determination to drive a hard bargain.
United's long-standing interest in Berbatov became more concrete last week when Cristiano Ronaldo was ruled out for 12 weeks following knee surgery.
That left United in need of attacking reinforcements regardless of whether the Portuguese superstar - or 'slave' as he prefers to be known - can force through a move to Real Madrid.
If and when Spurs and United can agree a fee - and it could either take days or weeks - the rest of the deal is expected to fall into place.
Berbatov's representative, Emil Dantchev, is already understood to have met with United with Spurs' permission, to discuss the player's personal terms.
The Bulgarian's own keenness to move should make those discussions a formality.
Whatever fee Levy finally settles for, it will smash Tottenham's existing record transfer, the £18.6m United paid Spurs for Michael Carrick two summers ago.
However, the monies will likely fall short of the £29.1m domestic transfer record set by United when signing Rio Ferdinand from Leeds United in 2002.
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/c...faultTHFC&itemid=WeED16 Jul 2008 17:29:10:053
At the time of going to press, United had not yet met Spurs' valuation but a resolution seems likely, despite Daniel Levy's determination to drive a hard bargain.
United's long-standing interest in Berbatov became more concrete last week when Cristiano Ronaldo was ruled out for 12 weeks following knee surgery.
That left United in need of attacking reinforcements regardless of whether the Portuguese superstar - or 'slave' as he prefers to be known - can force through a move to Real Madrid.
If and when Spurs and United can agree a fee - and it could either take days or weeks - the rest of the deal is expected to fall into place.
Berbatov's representative, Emil Dantchev, is already understood to have met with United with Spurs' permission, to discuss the player's personal terms.
The Bulgarian's own keenness to move should make those discussions a formality.
Whatever fee Levy finally settles for, it will smash Tottenham's existing record transfer, the £18.6m United paid Spurs for Michael Carrick two summers ago.
However, the monies will likely fall short of the £29.1m domestic transfer record set by United when signing Rio Ferdinand from Leeds United in 2002.
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/c...faultTHFC&itemid=WeED16 Jul 2008 17:29:10:053
We were interested in Berbatov for a while. This has nothing to do with Ronaldo. Nor can I see Rooney, Berbatov and Tevez making a regular trio.
I agree, the three will surely rotate.
Still speculation. But I'm confident that we'll get our man.
spurs is officially are new feeder club
Vds
neville ferdinand vidic evra
hargreaves scholes anderson
rooney berbatov tevez
neville ferdinand vidic evra
hargreaves scholes anderson
rooney berbatov tevez
That would work perfectly?
And us have been the feeder club of Real for some time.
First Beckham, then Ruud and a season ago Fecking "CNUT".
The thing is we WANTED to sell in all those transfers.
Rotation is all well and good, but ultimately we will have a best eleven, and if it's Tevez that misses out I think it will very harsh on him.
We also need to factor a fit Saha into the equation. If he comes back to form, then he'll push very hard for a place because he's a quality player.
I wouldn't be so sure.
Looks great on paper. Not convinced it would work in reality.
Those four words sum it up really.
If we keep Saha i fully expect him to be sidelined for most of the season.
Its true that when he is fit he is a quality player, but unfortunately he has the sustainability of a fat guy on a treadmill!
I'm sure Fergie was interested in Berbatov, last summer, as well. So, I wouldn't say it has any baring on Ronaldo. Although, I'm not sure where Tevez'll fit in. I know it's squad game. . . that said, I guess all three could play, which'll mean Giggs and Nani will miss out.
Berbatov smokes and he needs rest, so rotation is fine.
If he was likely to be a permanent crock, chances are the club would ask him to retire and claim on our insurance.
Surely the fact that he is still around means that he must be due a full-ish season at some stage.
Have we got him?
Interested in Berbatov before signing Tevez. If he arrives now, it looks likely that Tevez will be the unlucky man. Unless he just plays the men in form.
Either way, we now have the following players scrapping for three places, with the occasional centre midfield game for one or two of them:
Rooney
Tevez
Berbatov
Ronaldo
Giggs
Nani
Park
Saha
Or, to avoid the inevitable talk of 'but x can play here or there' we can add the following players to the list, all vying for six positions.
Carrick
Scholes
Anderson
Hargreaves
Fletcher
13 players for six positions. I suppose the impending departure of Scholes & Giggs will ease the burden, but thats for another time. THIS season, we are going to have serious problems accomodating all of these players, let alone the fringe squad that keep that vain hope for a chance or two to motivate themselves.
If you don't like that formation then how about this one...
---------VDS------------
Nev---Rio----Vidic---Evra
-----Carrick-Scholes-----
Ron-----Rooney----Tevez
---------Berb------------
This leaves us Nani, Anderson, Hargo, Giggs, Fletch, Saha(?), Manchuo(sp), and Park to sub for the attacking 6. Me likey
!!Little bit strange that considering what United have made out of their investments and what not over the past 20 years.. 10 PL, 2 CL and how many FA cups? I'm pretty sure there are some pretty capable people at OT who knows if any deals made add up in the end. Glazer aside and maybe ticket prices, which dont affect me, I cant see there's much to complain about when it comes to the business side of United
It may also mean less games for Giggs and Scholes.
That has possibilities, but again it leaves us with problems. So many players to keep happy, or match sharp. Anderson and Nani need games to develop their potential. Maybe I'm worrying too much.If you don't like that formation then how about this one...
---------VDS------------
Nev---Rio----Vidic---Evra
-----Carrick-Scholes-----
Ron-----Rooney----Tevez
---------Berb------------
This leaves us Nani, Anderson, Hargo, Giggs, Fletch, Saha(?), Manchuo(sp), and Park to sub for the attacking 6. Me likey
I suppose they are good problems to have. We have more tactical options than we're ever likely to need. In addition, if the worst happens and Ronaldo goes, we shouldn't miss him too terribly.
Doesn't convince me that Berbatov isn't an indulgence we could easily walk away from though.
We overpay for most of our players, and sell them off too cheaply. In general.
This has actually improved in recent years though. Evra and Vidic were notably good deals for us, as were the sales of Richardson & Rossi and a few others.
I respectively disagree. Last season was our most successful since 99 and can you honestly say we had a best 11 at any point? There was constant debate about the left wing and central midfield positions in particular and Ferguson shifted both the personal and tactical approach on almost a game by game basis (and did it masterfully).
If would indeed be harsh if Tevez was assigned to a role on the bench but if we do sign Berbatov then that will be a role he will share with both him and Rooney and it will it be about picking the best combination of the three depending on the circumstance.
I don't think we need to factor Saha into any equation because he should be shown the door. Even if we can't find anyone to take him off our hands then I would be as concerned with trying to give him playing time as I would be about Dong.
Agree with all of that.
Except the bit about Saha. If and when he's fit enough to play football, he can still make an impact.
I take you point but I'm not sure I agree.
Investing in players is a neccessary evil- debt or not. Irrespective of our debt we're one of the most cash rich clubs in the world. Clubs therefore hike the prices of players we want. It's no surprise - we'll squeze Madrid for as much as we can whenever Ronaldo leaves.
The fact is football is a squad game now and with other clubs buying United need to spend to stay at the top. If we dont then then we lose ground - are not as succesful - and financially the club are worse off in profit and in terms of servicing debts, however high they are.
Paying perhaps 10-15% more for a player may eb galling but if he's the right player for teh club its the right move. Carrick is a great example - he's been vital to our success - so paying perhaps £3-4 million too much doesn't seem like a bad move when we've won two titles and a European Cup and generated 10 times that as a result.
If we get Berbatov i can accept the Saha role with us as he is a fantastic player when fit. What i cant accept is putting our chances in Saha as third choice striker when we obviously know he is gonna get injured as usual.
Let's remember Manucho is back after his loan even when we dont know which will be his situation with all the paper works.
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