Robbie Keane League goals:
2006/07 - 11
2007/08 - 15
Dimitar Berbatov League goals:
2006/07 - 12
2007/08 - 15
'A way better goalscorer' you say?
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Robbie Keane League goals:
2006/07 - 11
2007/08 - 15
Dimitar Berbatov League goals:
2006/07 - 12
2007/08 - 15
'A way better goalscorer' you say?
We agree once more.
Ronaldo can play as a wide man, or he could 06/07. Last season might have got to him, he may well expect to be able to run in-field all the time and basically play as a second striker. Then again, he played a more conventional wing role in the final, and was magnificent in my opinion.
People appreciate Tevez a lot, i do as well, but i think our strongest side would be:
-----------------Berbatov---------------
Ronaldo-------Rooney/Tevez-----------Nani
---------Carrick----------Scholes-------
Etc etc.
This is in agreeance with your belief, if this is what it is; that two wingers, and a very competent aerial threat would stretch the game, bringing the best out in Rooney.
Well Pete, you are making me all romantic.
Robbie Keane League goals:
2006/07 - 11
2007/08 - 15
Dimitar Berbatov League goals:
2006/07 - 12
2007/08 - 15
'A way better goalscorer' you say?
Robbie Keane overall goals:
2006/07 - 23
2007/08 - 22
Dimitar Berbatov overall goals:
2006/07 - 23
2007/08 - 20
He has been a better goalscorer over the last two years, but that's largely down to Berbatov coming which lead to him changing his role anyway. Berbatov is the better finisher though.
Keane´s record in all competitions is slighly better, but hardly way better like Peter makes it out to be. Also I´m pretty sure Keane´s taken more penalties over the last 2 years (even though Berbatov started taking them after Keane missed 2 in a short period of time)
and you´re right, Berbatov coming did wonders for Keane´s goalscoring. Keane usually scores much more when he has a big man next to him, his goalscoring record for Ireland was much better when he had Niall Quinn next to him.
The difference is minimal (2 goals over the 2 years)
Peter is, once again, way off with his absurd comments.
Peter is, once again, way off with his absurd comments.
I agreed with him stupidly, without looking at the facts.
Was more to do with the point i was trying to put across about Rooney playing with Berbatov.
Was more to do with the point i was trying to put across about Rooney playing with Berbatov.
Glaston if you're out there somewhere, would you be able to provide us with a list of Spurs' penalties over the last 2 seasons and who has taken them? Thanks.
Oh dear, I seem to have made a mistake - let me correct it: "Keane is also a pretty shit goal scorer like Berbatov". Happy now?
More absurd comments. More shit spouting. More green smilies needed.
According to Soccerbase (including international matches):
Keane 2007/08:
Matches: 61 | Goals: 24 | Yellow cards: 3 | Red Cards: 1
Berbatov 2007/08:
Matches: 58 | Goals: 27 | Yellow cards: 6 | Red Cards: 0
League goals are the acid test - forget all the soft shite against Slovan Bratislava and Red Boys Dividanga . Berbatov has 27 in two seasons
No big fan of Berbatov but 15 league goals for the season Tottenham had in the league isn't that bad.
However it is at least 5 league goals away from what I would expect from him at Old Trafford.
However it is at least 5 league goals away from what I would expect from him at Old Trafford.
Sweet rant Ruud!
Its not a rant. I just dont understand why we are paying so much money for a player who's not better than what we already have. £20-30 million seem like an absurd amount to spend on a player who isnt that good. His goal scoring record is piss poor when compared to other strikers going for that kind of money, and its not like he's young, he's 28 FFS!
That's what's wrong with your post.
1. He's not better than Rooney, Tevez or a FULLY FIT Saha IMHO.
2. I rate him, but not for £30m, he's not worth more than £12m IMHO.
1. You also think Robbie Keane is a better player than Berbatov
2. Are you unaware of the current market? Players like Bent go for over £16m. To say he's not worth more than £12m is hilarious.
Personally I think a fully fit Tevez is better than Berbatov.
No one had heard of Berbatov at twenty years of age; Tevez was winning the Olympics and winning South American Player of the Year. Tevez was and still is rated in that very top bracket of players, whilst Berbatov isn't quite there.
No one had heard of Berbatov at twenty years of age; Tevez was winning the Olympics and winning South American Player of the Year. Tevez was and still is rated in that very top bracket of players, whilst Berbatov isn't quite there.
Once again I'll remind you that Fernando Torres scored 27 league goals in his last two seasons at Atletico. League goals are the acid test, ey?
I don't rate Berbatov in the 25-30m range but what the feck does it really matter. It's not the fans money. Keep in mind he'll receive far more service at United than with Spurs so I'd expect to see him up near 20 league goals next season, should he join the club.
Bent is english. English players are always overpriced. Santa Cruz was bought for £4m and went on to score 19 league goals, benny macarthy £2.5m and went on to score 18 league goals. And lets not forget spurs bought Berbatov for £10m only 2 seasons ago.
i dont think anyone is disputing that. tevez is a beast of a player. he's going to be untouchable this year, just watch. fully rested, fully bedded in.
that said, berbatov bring something different. some silk to our two raging bulls up top.
28 million is getting raped, but we are united and we always end up paying top dollar if the player is proven.
So Tevez is better than Drogba then. Fantastic thinking.
Im guessing you dont go to games then
Oh jesus christ, the ticket sales are but a drop in the bucket when it comes to revenues. The big slice of the money comes from televising rights.
Yes, I think he potentially he is. We havn't seen the best of Tevez yet; I don't think Drogba could have single-handedly kept West Ham in the Premiership, for example, or led Corinthians to the Copa Libertadores.
I think you underestimate the matchday revenue. I remember seeing a chart a while back comparing our revenue streams to those of our rivals on the continent, and where a vast majority of their income came from their own personal TV deals, because we're restricted by the group deal negotiated by the Premier League we depend a lot more on the match-going fan and ticket sales.
I agree with the Count, in reference to who the better player is.
Thats a fair point. I thought everyone, like me, had warmed to Tevez and would actually like us to buy him - as long as he improves in open play from last year, where he wasnt at his best. If its a case of buying Berbatov but not Tevez and we get someone else in, then that makes sense to an extent. As long as Tevez has been told clearly what lies ahead.
Dennis Bergkamp
Year Games Goals
1996-97 29 12
1997-98 28 16
1998-99 29 12
1999-00 28 6
2000-01 25 3
2001-02 33 9
2002-03 29 4
2003-04 28 4
2004-05 30 8
2005-06 24 2
Tevez will be signed.
Make no bones about it.
Make no bones about it.
Just like how we were not ging to to sign him 6 months ago, make no bones about it, eh Sam?
You're right, no one heard of Berbatov at twenty years of age, but he played in a Champions League Final at the age of twenty one
no signings....i need a rope
Drogba plays a different role from Tevez. When leading the line, Drogba (when he's not busy whining or falling over) is possibly the very best striker in that role.
In any case, I think the point of bringing up Drogba is to debunk the view that strikers who were relatively unheard of at 20 are poor. eg. Drogba and Berbatov. I tend to agree with that. Some players are late bloomers, and possibly Berbatov is one of them. 28mil is the cost of trying to pry a very good player the other team doesn't need/want to sell.
Some players need more time to get noted as they came from countries that are not recognised for being the best to have super talents. IMO is not about late bloomers.
They had to make first a way to be noted by some average or not amazing teams to then get the attraction of the big teams. Drogba had to work as hell to get the interest of Marseille and then had to showed his game in the champions league to get Chelsea's attention. The same goes for Berbatov that had to perform at Bulgaria to then get noted by Bayern Leverkusen, was top scorer for some seasons in the Bundesliga and then Spurs got him before Utd finally comes in for him.
When you born in Argentina you know its about time a big team comes calling and that's the reason why Argentineans are performing at pretty young age exactly like Messi, Tevez and the rest. Same with Brazileans and famous football countries.
Yeah, agree with this. Not necessarily "late bloomer" in the sense that they're less talented at a younger age, but also a mixture of opportunity, exposure, maturity (both physical and mental) etc.
Its no secrect that Berbatov has been wanting out for over a year now and its seems that spurs are resigned to losing him. £28m a bit much IMO.
Oh feck, I've just come all over myself...
We are going to have another incredible season.
You dont win anything on paper.
What?
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