Scores die in Israeli air strikes

[holyland red]

Here is my problem with the views that you represent: You are so blinded in your misguided beliefs that you try and defend the indefensible.

The actions of the Israelis these past few weeks, evidenced now by the devastation that we can all see on our TV screens shows without doubt that this was an attack on an entire population. It was largely indiscriminate else, 40-50% of the dead would not be women and children.

Call a spade a spade, its so obvious to anyone who observes this tragedy from the outside.

...and here are my problems with the views that you represent: I couldn't be half as blinded and misguided in my beliefs as you are even if I tried, judging by your conviction that the Jews don't have hostoric rights in their homeland. I also couldn't bring myself to want Italian Muslims to suffer because of Hamas attacks on Israel, whereas you were supporting boycotting Roman Jews to bankrupcy because of what you precieved as harsh Israel response to being bombarded.

You then went on to suggest that the Jewish state should be wiped out, following by an outburst that I raise my kids to be Nazis. If failing to see the contradiction there is not being blinded then I don't know what is.

Call a spade a spade, and admit that no matter what Israel response was like you'd still blame it for war-crimes, baby-killing etc. After all, a nation that has no right to exist as you suggested can't have the basic right of defending itself.

 

[sammsky1]

There was nothing indiscriminate about the Israeli invasion.

In spite of this, a 50% casualty figure (allegedly) inflicted on Civilians is very low.

Finally, everyone who is observing this from the outside supports your views?


You've come into this thread and called Israel Nazi's when clearly there is NOTHING even remotely similar. You have a bone to pick, you're extremely biased because of this and you are talking out your ass.

Nuckwit,

When will you realise that I represent the view of many many millions of people? When will you realize that most don't even bother to engage with your idiotic views? When will you realize that the UN, the Vatican, most moderate newspapers, in fact the majority of all decent people worldwide share these views.

Frankly, I could not care less about your opinions (well 'opinion' is stretching it but hey ...) They are worthless and in the real world would get you laughed off court. So stop your nonsense here showing yourself like some big man John Terry, or if you must, at least do so on the basis of some kind of argument.

 

[sammsky1]

...because of what you precieved as harsh Israel response

err, was it just me or pretty much every other person that lives on the planet?!

Serious delusion.

People in Israel must be damned proud of their actions.

 

[holyland red]

There was nothing indiscriminate about the Israeli invasion. In Urban warfare civilian casualties are always going to be massive. When the enemy shelters in areas that civilians gather at, and shelter in these areas, the casualties will be even higher.

Also Saturday, IAF planes dropped leaflets warning Gaza residents of an escalation in attacks, as southern Israel came under more Palestinian rocket fire.

"The IDF will escalate the operation in the Gaza Strip," the leaflets said in Arabic. "The IDF is not working against the people of Gaza but against Hamas and the terrorists only. Stay safe by following our orders."

The leaflets urged Gaza residents not to help Hamas, and to stay away from its members.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424906921&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Earlier, Palestinian sources reported that an Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets over the Rafah refugee camp, urging residents to flee because of planned Israeli strikes. The leaflet addressed Rafah residents of a strip of neighborhoods that run parallel to the Egypt border.

"Because Hamas uses your houses to hide and smuggle military weapons, the IDF will attack the area, between the Egyptian border and the beach road," the leaflet said, according a local UN official.

The leaflet included the names of four neighborhoods expected to be hit by the IDF, and instructed locals to immediately leave their homes. "For your safety and for the safety of your children – follow the instructions in this announcement," the leaflet read.

Security officials estimated that about 300 tunnels were used for smuggling weapons from Egypt to the Strip before the Gaza operation was launched.

After the leaflets were dropped, about 5,000 fled to two UN schools turned into temporary shelters, the official said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3652553,00.html

Earlier, the army dropped leaflets in downtown Gaza City ordering people off the streets. The warnings were followed by the air strikes.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733150721&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

 

[Chris H]

You've come into this thread and called Israel Nazi's when clearly there is NOTHING even remotely similar. You have a bone to pick, you're extremely biased because of this and you are talking out your ass.

When will you realise that I represent the view of many many millions of people? When will you realize that most don't even bother to engage with your idiotic views? When will you realize that the UN, the Vatican, most moderate newspapers, in fact the majority of all decent people worldwide share these views.

Let me get this straight. You are still claiming that Israel is equivalent to the Nazi regime, and your defense of this position is that many other people agree with you. Also, nearly all good people agree with what you have to say, it is mostly bad people who disagree.

Is that an accurate summary?

 

[holyland red]

err, was it just me or pretty much every other person that lives on the planet?!

Serious delusion.

People in Israel must be damned proud of their actions.

People in Israel are damn proud that their government has finally stood up and did what it had to do in order to defend its civilians. Thankfully, the matter of our defense is in our own hands so the public opinion across the planet can sometimes come second to public opinion in Israel in order of importance, and when we're bombed we tend to have our own bloody opinion pretty quick.

Having said that, this thread alone suggests that many people (not necessarily die-hard Zionists) think that the Palestinians had this coming.

 

[Mozza]

Also Saturday, IAF planes dropped leaflets warning Gaza residents of an escalation in attacks, as southern Israel came under more Palestinian rocket fire.

"The IDF will escalate the operation in the Gaza Strip," the leaflets said in Arabic. "The IDF is not working against the people of Gaza but against Hamas and the terrorists only. Stay safe by following our orders."

The leaflets urged Gaza residents not to help Hamas, and to stay away from its members.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231424906921&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

Earlier, Palestinian sources reported that an Israeli aircraft dropped leaflets over the Rafah refugee camp, urging residents to flee because of planned Israeli strikes. The leaflet addressed Rafah residents of a strip of neighborhoods that run parallel to the Egypt border.

"Because Hamas uses your houses to hide and smuggle military weapons, the IDF will attack the area, between the Egyptian border and the beach road," the leaflet said, according a local UN official.

The leaflet included the names of four neighborhoods expected to be hit by the IDF, and instructed locals to immediately leave their homes. "For your safety and for the safety of your children – follow the instructions in this announcement," the leaflet read.

Security officials estimated that about 300 tunnels were used for smuggling weapons from Egypt to the Strip before the Gaza operation was launched.

After the leaflets were dropped, about 5,000 fled to two UN schools turned into temporary shelters, the official said.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3652553,00.html

Earlier, the army dropped leaflets in downtown Gaza City ordering people off the streets. The warnings were followed by the air strikes.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733150721&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

The IRA used to phone warnings before bombing places, still terrorists, the deaths were still their fault

 

[holyland red]

The IRA used to phone warnings before bombing places, still terrorists

The IRA were indeed terrorists. They didn't have any claim to territory in mainland UK though, so I don't understand why it took the UK so long to reach an agreement with them.

Always a bad analogy that NI conflict.

 

[Mozza]

The IRA were indeed terrorists. They didn't have any claim to territory in mainland UK though, so I don't understand why it took the UK so long to reach an agreement with them.

Always a bad analogy that NI conflict.

Countries are capable of terrorist actions, this was terrorism, Israel even acted like terrorists seeking to escape the blame.

 

[holyland red]

Countries are capable of terrorist actions, this was terrorism, Israel even acted like terrorists seeking to escape the blame.

You are only highlighting what I said in a previous post. You'd shout state-terrorism no matter what way Israel chose to respond to the rocket-launching.
If throwing leaflets is how terrorists act, I suppose Hamas doesn't warn Israel prior to rocket launching because they are freedom fighters and therefore do not have to escape any blame. Nice logic there Mozza, and as long as this gives you a sense of satisfaction you are more than welcome to marvel at your own wisdom.

 

[Mozza]

The throwing of leaflets is not a terrorist act, the campaign was, Israel like a terrorist organisation seeks to escape and excuse the deaths by its hands

 

[topper]

Nuckwit,

When will you realise that I represent the view of many many millions of people? When will you realize that most don't even bother to engage with your idiotic views? When will you realize that the UN, the Vatican, most moderate newspapers, in fact the majority of all decent people worldwide share these views.

Frankly, I could not care less about your opinions (well 'opinion' is stretching it but hey ...) They are worthless and in the real world would get you laughed off court. So stop your nonsense here showing yourself like some big man John Terry, or if you must, at least do so on the basis of some kind of argument.

ffs like the Israelis are Nazis - that sort of idiot think

 

[holyland red]

The throwing of leaflets is not a terrorist act, the campaign was, Israel like a terrorist organisation seeks to escape and excuse the deaths by its hands

We're not going to agree about state terrorism here, but let's try and conclude that warnings give the innocent civilian a chance to seek shelter. I know that Hamas leaders built themselves nice, cosy and warm shelters when the rest of the 1.5 million people don't have a bomb-shelter to share among them, but the warnings allowed people to evacuate their homes/neighbourhoods prior to air strikes.

 

[Sultan]

Reading this thread, and speaking to people I have come to a conclusion there are people on both sides who have serious pathological issues wanting ordinary Palestinians/Israelis' to continue being brutalised.

There are shining examples example in history which shows us that in these lands it is very possible to establish a system which respects every group...

It should be our desire that the Jews should live and trade freely in the land of their forefathers. In the same way the Palestinians should have freedom of movement in the lands of their forefathers and have the very same rights.

Here's wishing within a short time better days will come when both sides live in brotherhood. With sincere faith, conviction it is absolutely possible to achieve peace, security, and goodwill.

 

[Mozza]

We're not going to agree about state terrorism here, but let's try and conclude that warnings give the innocent civilian a chance to seek shelter. I know that Hamas leaders built themselves nice, cosy and warm shelters when the rest of the 1.5 million people don't have a bomb-shelter to share among them, but the warnings allowed people to evacuate their homes/neighbourhoods prior to air strikes.

You know Hamas built nice and cosy shelters? You been in one, had a look have you?

Where are they supposed to go? Gaza is a prison, there is no escape from Gaza. The warnings are a public relations exercise, it makes you feel better, it makes little difference to the people being bombed as they have nowhere to go.

 

[anything about now]

err, was it just me or pretty much every other person that lives on the planet?!

Serious delusion.

People in Israel must be damned proud of their actions.

Firing hundreds of rockets into Israeli civilian establishments is an act of war. How do you propose Israel should have acted? Send a few Mossad agents into Gaza, and arrest those responsible? I'm sure the media would wail about it being kidnapping and assassination. Diplomacy? It's hard to tell someone to stop when they are doing so for the purpose of provoking a heavy handed response. Not to mention diplomatic avenues were probably exhausted in the many years of rocket attacks before this assault was finally staged.

Reading this thread, and speaking to people I have come to a conclusion there are people on both sides who have serious pathological issues wanting ordinary Palestinians/Israelis' to continue being brutalised.

There are shining examples example in history which shows us that in these lands it is very possible to establish a system which respects every group...

It should be our desire that the Jews should live and trade freely in the land of their forefathers. In the same way the Palestinians should have freedom of movement in the lands of their forefathers and have the very same rights.

Here's wishing within a short time better days will come when both sides live in brotherhood. With sincere faith, conviction it is absolutely possible to achieve peace, security, and goodwill.

Agreed, both ends of the spectrum have their ugly side. I've visited some Jewish forums one of which i believe was heavily Judaism influenced - they were constantly quoting passages from the Talmud - and some people rejoiced in the news of Palestinian children being killed by Israeli bombers. I'm not sure if they were religious nutcases or years constant threat of stray rockets have pushed them to this state of mind, but it was unsettling. One can only hope that the government officials who pull the strings don't feel the same way.

 

[holyland red]

It should be our desire that the Jews should live and trade freely in the land of their forefathers. In the same way the Palestinians should have freedom of movement in the lands of their forefathers and have the very same rights.

Here's wishing within a short time better days will come when both sides live in brotherhood. With sincere faith, conviction it is absolutely possible to achieve peace, security, and goodwill.

All this is very nice. One thing to add to the mix is our desire to govern an independent state in the land of our forefathers. That is the part that the Palestinians do not accept, and therefore is the main obstacle for meaningful peace negotiations. After all, according to Hamas and even Ahmedinejad Jews can "live and trade freely in the land of their forefathers" under Islamic rule. Not acceptable.

 

[Wibble]

Reading this thread, and speaking to people I have come to a conclusion there are people on both sides who have serious pathological issues wanting ordinary Palestinians/Israelis' to continue being brutalised.

There are shining examples example in history which shows us that in these lands it is very possible to establish a system which respects every group...

It should be our desire that the Jews should live and trade freely in the land of their forefathers. In the same way the Palestinians should have freedom of movement in the lands of their forefathers and have the very same rights.

Here's wishing within a short time better days will come when both sides live in brotherhood. With sincere faith, conviction it is absolutely possible to achieve peace, security, and goodwill.

I agree.

Peace and coexistence should be possible.

Israel could and should do far more now that a Palastinian state exists. There is no point letting a Palastinian state exist and then not work to make is succeed.

That said, unless rocket and suicide bomb attacks against civilian Israeli targets cease there is no possibility of a dialogue. Hamas not accepting Israels right to exist is another huge obstacle. If the Palastinian Authority announced a unilateral and permanent (and enforced) ceasefire AND accepted Israel's right to exist it would throw the onus for peace back onto Israel who are, like it or not, the party with more power in the relationship.

 

[Wibble]

I think we should send Bury and Sultan over there to reason with them both parties and/or bang their heads together.

 

[Sultan]

I think we should send Bury and Sultan over there to reason with them both parties and/or bang their heads together.

Bury's good at building bridges.

 

[Fearless]

You know Hamas built nice and cosy shelters? You been in one, had a look have you?

Where are they supposed to go? Gaza is a prison, there is no escape from Gaza. The warnings are a public relations exercise, it makes you feel better, it makes little difference to the people being bombed as they have nowhere to go.

While many innocent were regrettably civilians killed, by your logic there should have been tens of thousands dead given the density and nowhere to go factor.

Either the Israeli Airforce were incredibly precise, or most civilians heeded the leaflets.

 

[Mozza]

While many innocent were regrettably civilians killed, by your logic there should have been tens of thousands dead given the density and nowhere to go factor.

Either the Israeli Airforce were incredibly precise, or most civilians heeded the leaflets.

Israel is accurate, you don't give a shit about the dead civilians just the number that are killed, you don't want to kill too many too quickly otherwise the Americans would tell you to stop.

 

[holyland red]

Israel is accurate, you don't give a shit about the dead civilians just the number that are killed, you don't want to kill too many too quickly otherwise the Americans would tell you to stop.

It's not that Israel don't care about Palestinians, it only cares more about it's own civilians and troops.

As for Hamas, they obviously don't care about Palestinian civilians otherwise they'd warn their own prior to taking positions in their neighbourhoods. I'm sure some would have heeded such warnings by Hamas even though leaving the GS altogether wan't an option.

 

[Kaos]

It's not that Israel don't care about Palestinians, it only cares more about it's own civilians and troops.

As for Hamas, they obviously don't care about Palestinian civilians otherwise they'd warn their own prior to taking positions in their neighbourhoods. I'm sure some would have heeded such warnings by Hamas even though leaving the GS altogether wan't an option.

Both Hamas and Israel are as bad as each other. One side hides behinds its civilians, the others kill civilians to ease their problems.

 

[holyland red]

Top IDF officer: Hamas use of children during Gaza op was 'monstrous'

By Haaretz Service

Tags: Israel, Hamas, Gaza

The Israel Defense Forces' Gaza Division Commander on Thursday branded Hamas' use of women and children during Israel's recent offensive in the coastal strip as "monstrous" and "inhumane."

Brig. Gen. Eyal Eisenberg said the civilians were sent by Hamas to transfer weapons to gunmen during the offensive. He also accused the Islamist militant group of booby-trapping many of the civilians' homes.

"Entire families in Gaza lived on top of a barrel of explosives for months without knowing," Eisenberg said.

More than 1,250 Palestinians were reportedly killed during Israel's offensive against Hamas in the coastal territory. According to estimates by Gaza officials, more than half of the Palestinian dead were civilians.

Israel has been heavily criticized for the high number of Palestinian civilian casualties in the operation. Eisenberg, however, asserted that Israel Defense Forces soldiers adhered to moral principles while fighting in Gaza.

Palestinian civilians, meanwhile, have accused Hamas of forcing them to stay in homes from which gunmen shot at Israeli soldiers during the recent hostilities in Gaza, the Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera reported Thursday.

The Italian paper also quoted a doctor at Gaza City's Shifa Hospital as disputing the number of Palestinians said to have been killed in the campaign.

"It's possible that the death toll in Gaza was 500 or 600 at the most, mainly youths aged 17 to 23 who were enlisted by Hamas - who sent them to their deaths," he said.
13 Israelis were also killed during the 3-week operation, which was aimed at halting rocket fire on southern Israel and destroying Hamas' infrastructure.

The Gaza doctor was further quoted as saying: "Perhaps it is like Jenin in 2002. At the beginning they spoke about 1,500 dead, and at the end it turned out to be only 54 - of whom 45 were militants."

He was referring to the Israel Defense Forces battle with Palestinian militants in the West Bank town that took place during Operation Defensive Shield at the height of the second intifada.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1057874.html

Can anyone shed more light on that alleged story from the Curriere dela Sera? How credible is the paper? the journalist?
Red-Wedge?

 

[Kaos]

Yes, quoting an IDF general from an Israeli paper is 100% bias-free.

 

[holyland red]

Both Hamas and Israel are as bad as each other. One side hides behinds its civilians, the others kill civilians to ease their problems.

We can agree that Hamas hides behind civilians which is a problem.

We in Israel think that when Hamas launches rockets at us while hiding behind civilians it is also some sort of a problem.

Our government has finally started trying to ease that problem of ours and instructed the IDF to stop Hamas fire, and because of problem #1 many civilians were hurt as a result. We'll just have to disagree on your assertion that "Both Hamas and Israel are as bad as each other".

 

[holyland red]

Yes, quoting an IDF general from an Israeli paper is 100% bias-free.

I think you need to read the report a bit more carefully. Also note that the figures that currently make the headlines are based on Palestinian sources, and you never questioned those.

 

[Kaos]

Every other news source, including the likes of Faux News and Sky are quoting well over 1000, I dont think that one Doctor talking to the Haaretz newspaper is going to overrule all over sources.

 

[holyland red]

Every other news source, including the likes of Faux News and Sky are quoting well over 1000, I dont think that one Doctor talking to the Haaretz newspaper is going to overrule all over sources.

Try reading the article again. I underlined a part you missed.

Anyway, I hope that the quoted version of that Gazan doctor is more accurate than other figures thrown to the air. However, it appears that you'd be satisfied if the figures were indeed higher. Weird.

 

[Kaos]

Try reading the article again. I underlined a part you missed.

Anyway, I hope that the quoted version of that Gazan doctor is more accurate than other figures thrown to the air. However, it appears that you'd be satisfied if the figures were indeed higher. Weird.

What gave you that strange impression?

You're the one posting an article trying to claim that only 600 Palestinians died compared to 1100+.

 

[Red-Wedge]

I don’t have the slightest idea whether what Corriere della Sera reports is true or not, but if the question is about the paper, it’s one of the oldest surviving Italian newspapers and the most sold.
It’s historically a rather balanced, moderate newspaper and a highly reputed one. For one, I don’t read it because it’s not 'partisan' enough, but in this particular context its never taking radical stances should point to the right direction. It’s definitely considered an unbiased source of information.
Recently it appears to have taken a slight left leaning but I reckon it goes down more to Berlusconi (considered as a national disgrace) being on the other side than to a genuine ‘socialist’ agenda - definitely not the case.

The article reports clashes among Hamas fighters and normal citizens who asked the fighters to leave, to which Hamas replied “traitors! Friends of Israel! You’re all going to get killed anyway!”.
It was mainly 16/17 year old kids with machine guns who knew they were weaker than the Israelis but wanted to provoke a reaction in order to be able to accuse Israel of war crimes.

Something that Haaretz doesn’t cite but the Corriere does is the fact that to increase the confusion Israeli Special Squads roamed in central Gaza with green headbands with the writing “Allah is the only God” just to create chaos.

I can’t translate it all but the Haaretz article plus my little translation cover the main points and you should get the gist of it.
If there's some passage you spot and would have translated, let me know.

 

[Nucks]

Yes, quoting an IDF general from an Israeli paper is 100% bias-free.

I enjoy this tactic. Mainly because it is so extremely common amongst people who cannot be convinced their view point might be wrong.

The tactic works something like this, skim the article in question and find anything in it that I can dismiss out of hand for being biased, and then refuse to address any of the other points that I cannot dismiss. So instead I close my eyes and shout "it's BIAS LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I can't HEAR YOU!"

It is a very effective tactic, my sister used it frequently and to great effect in the early 80's when we were young children, usually over oreo cookies or what cartoon to watch.

 

[Kaos]

I enjoy this tactic. Mainly because it is so extremely common amongst people who cannot be convinced their view point might be wrong.

The tactic works something like this, skim the article in question and find anything in it that I can dismiss out of hand for being biased, and then refuse to address any of the other points that I cannot dismiss. So instead I close my eyes and shout "it's BIAS LALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I can't HEAR YOU!"

It is a very effective tactic, my sister used it frequently and to great effect in the early 80's when we were young children, usually over oreo cookies or what cartoon to watch.

Im sorry I just skimmed that to the point about Oreo cookies, very overrated snack may I just add.

 

[Nucks]

Nuckwit,

When will you realise that I represent the view of many many millions of people? When will you realize that most don't even bother to engage with your idiotic views? When will you realize that the UN, the Vatican, most moderate newspapers, in fact the majority of all decent people worldwide share these views.

Frankly, I could not care less about your opinions (well 'opinion' is stretching it but hey ...) They are worthless and in the real world would get you laughed off court. So stop your nonsense here showing yourself like some big man John Terry, or if you must, at least do so on the basis of some kind of argument.

You're a joke. You spout nonsensical tripe and then you suggest that you are right because people agree with you (millions apparently, can I get some SOURCES on that please?). Yet nobody in this thread has agreed with you and so far everyone who has responded to your latest post has laughed at you.

You've come into this thread talking like you are some sort of humanitarian expert, you clearly are not. You're a big time charlie, what exactly are your credentials, oh that's right you don't have any.

You talk down to me like you have a leg to stand on, who are you again? When I see a spade, I call it a spade. When I see an anti-Semite, I call it that. I'm pretty sure you're not a spade, but I Know you're an anti-Semite.

Frankly I am shocked you're not banned. Some kid in another thread was banned because he didn't think the word Paki was racist. You've come out and slandered not only EVIL ZIONIST JEWZ but suggested that ALL Jews should be punished for Israels action. You've equated Israel and Jews to one of the most despicable governments in human history, a government that callously attempted to murder and eradicate an entire ethnic group, and enslave another. Is there anything else I should add to your anti-Iraeli rhetoric? Anything I missed?

You've crossed the line several times and again, I am shocked you're still here. Go work on expanding your vernacular you illiterate, uneducated nitwit.

 

[holyland red]

I don’t have the slightest idea whether what Corriere della Sera reports is true or not, but if the question is about the paper, it’s one of the oldest surviving Italian newspapers and the most sold.
It’s historically a rather balanced, moderate newspaper and a highly reputed one. For one, I don’t read it because it’s not 'partisan' enough, but in this particular context its never taking radical stances should point to the right direction. It’s definitely considered an unbiased source of information.
Recently it appears to have taken a slight left leaning but I reckon it goes down more to Berlusconi (considered as a national disgrace) being on the other side than to a genuine ‘socialist’ agenda - definitely not the case.

The article reports clashes among Hamas fighters and normal citizens who asked the fighters to leave, to which Hamas replied “traitors! Friends of Israel! You’re all going to get killed anyway!”.
It was mainly 16/17 year old kids with machine guns who knew they were weaker than the Israelis but wanted to provoke a reaction in order to be able to accuse Israel of war crimes.

Something that Haaretz doesn’t cite but the Corriere does is the fact that to increase the confusion Israeli Special Squads roamed in central Gaza with green headbands with the writing “Allah is the only God” just to create chaos.

I can’t translate it all but the Haaretz article plus my little translation cover the main points and you should get the gist of it.
If there's some passage you spot and would have translated, let me know.

Cheers, RW

 

[ooeat0meoo]

You're a joke. You spout nonsensical tripe and then you suggest that you are right because people agree with you (millions apparently, can I get some SOURCES on that please?). Yet nobody in this thread has agreed with you and so far everyone who has responded to your latest post has laughed at you.

You've come into this thread talking like you are some sort of humanitarian expert, you clearly are not. You're a big time charlie, what exactly are your credentials, oh that's right you don't have any.

You talk down to me like you have a leg to stand on, who are you again? When I see a spade, I call it a spade. When I see an anti-Semite, I call it that. I'm pretty sure you're not a spade, but I Know you're an anti-Semite.

Frankly I am shocked you're not banned. Some kid in another thread was banned because he didn't think the word Paki was racist. You've come out and slandered not only EVIL ZIONIST JEWZ but suggested that ALL Jews should be punished for Israels action. You've equated Israel and Jews to one of the most despicable governments in human history, a government that callously attempted to murder and eradicate an entire ethnic group, and enslave another. Is there anything else I should add to your anti-Iraeli rhetoric? Anything I missed?

You've crossed the line several times and again, I am shocked you're still here. Go work on expanding your vernacular you illiterate, uneducated nitwit.

Nuck-le Head,

You need to find it within yourself to chill out. If you are unable, please seek professional help. You might try valium.

Sam hasn't crossed any line of disrespect. If you can't handle a civilized conversation about this without flipping out, you shouldn't participate



Why don't we all hold up for a few days and see what the United Nations investigation brings forth...

In addition, Sec. Hillary Clinton along with P-BHO have appointed Sen. George Mitchell to be envoy to facillitate peace between Israel and Palestine.

A new chapter is about to open. I am sure Sam would agree that we will see things more clearly in a short time.

________________________________________

Breaking News:

Source: The Global News Service of Jewish People

http://blogs.jta.org/politics/article/2009/01/22/1002451/israel-welcomes-mitchell-appointment

Israel welcomes Mitchell appointment
By Eric Fingerhut · January 22, 2009


Israeli Ambassador to the United States Sallai Meridor said he holds newly appointed Middle East envoy George Mitchell "in high regard and looks forward to working with him on taking the next steps towards realizing a future of peace and security for Israel and her neighbors. Here's the ambassador's full statement:

As the United States and Israel continue to work jointly on achieving peace and stability in the Middle East, and of countering the common threat of terrorism and state sponsors of terror from acquiring nuclear weapons, we warmly welcome and congratulate Senator George Mitchell on his appointment as special envoy for Middle East peace.

“Israel holds Senator Mitchell in high regard and looks forward to working with him on taking the next steps towards realizing a future of peace and security for Israel and her neighbors.

“I would also like to extend my heartfelt congratulations to Ambassador Richard Holbrooke on his appointment as special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan. Ambassador Holbrooke has been a longstanding friend of Israel and we wish him every success.


or

From the Wall Street Journal:

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/...plomacy-on-her-first-day-at-state-department/

Clinton also announced that Obama and Vice President Joe Biden would be visiting the State Department later Thursday to meet top officials and speak to the diplomatic corps. Obama is expected to name two veteran dealmakers as special envoys to oversee key foreign policy challenges: former Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell to oversee Middle East policy and former U.N. Ambassador Richard Holbrooke to deal with South Asia and Afghanistan.

Mitchell, 75 years old, is expected to be tasked with leading U.S. efforts to implement a recently announced cease-fire between Israel and the Palestinian militant group Hamas in the Gaza Strip, as well as to try and restart broader peace talks between Jerusalem and the Palestinians.

Mitchell was a key broker during the 1990s of peace talks in Northern Ireland that ended fighting between Catholic and Protestant paramilitaries. Mitchell also oversaw a U.S.-led commission that investigated in 2001 the roots of Israeli-Palestinian violence and made recommendations for ways to end the fighting. The report has been used in subsequent peace initiatives pursued by the U.S. and European Union.

Holbrooke, 67, is a long-serving American diplomat who is expected to head U.S. efforts to stabilize Afghanistan and the Indian-Pakistani conflict, including encouraging better cooperation between Islamabad and Kabul to calm the tensions on their shared border. Holbrooke is also expected to be tasked with pushing dialogue between India and Pakistan to end their dispute over the Himalayan region of Kashmir.

Holbrooke was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his role in forging the 1995 Dayton peace accords, which ended the civil war in Bosnia.

 

[Nistelrooy10]

^ lol can you say ownage?

 

[Nucks]

Chill out? I'm far from worked up. Tired of his hollow high and mighty attitude while he goose-steps in the back ground perhaps.

When you equate a government that has been under constant attack from the day it was established with NAZISM, you're crossing the line. Especially when said government was established due to the fact Nazi's tried to exterminate that particular group of people.

When you try to equate the NORMAL collateral damages of urban warfare with genocide, ethnic cleansing and all that hyperbole, not only are you uneducated you're being sensationalistic for the sake of whatever bias argument you are trying to make.

Unfortunately, whatever "evidence" presented will be dismissed by you and your ilk if it doesn't conform to your own skewed perception of reality.

 

[topper]

Nuck-le Head,


Sam hasn't crossed any line of disrespect. If you can't handle a civilized conversation about this without flipping out, you shouldn't participate

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you cannot be serious - wasn´t he warned off by a mod for just that and just reread some of his posts and reconsider this statement if you want to retain some shred of credibility