Yeah that goal against Chelsea in the charity shield was pretty useless wasn't it? And what about that cracker of a shot that the keeper had to parry out for Scholes to header in against Besiktas too, how worthless was that?
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Yeah that goal against Chelsea in the charity shield was pretty useless wasn't it? And what about that cracker of a shot that the keeper had to parry out for Scholes to header in against Besiktas too, how worthless was that?
Which is the opposite of truth. When Nani plays he tends to be the one who sets up at least one of the best chances of the game. He has that incisive potential to affect the scoreline in any match he plays, even if he doesnt play well. It still tends to happen.
The rest of his game is the frustrating part. Not the end product, which tends to be a lot better than Valencia's, Tosic's or Park's. So if you dont rate Nani's end product, you must think we have among the worst set of wingers in the league or something.
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The goal against Chelsea was decent, although Cech's positioning for it was rather odd. With both those examples you've given, that was the only thing he did of note in both games.
He had a pretty poor season. That's about it. His first one was impressive, his second season in which he wasnt played too much because of Park having the form of his life and him having a dip of form was a dissapointment and this season he has done really well again...
Well that's how I see it
Nani is usually one of our top assist makers even when he's not first choice or has had a bad season. Bad end product my ass.
You know it's bad when even Scholesy can see that something is ridiculous.
Not that I haven't come to expect that from Domzi.
Not that I haven't come to expect that from Domzi.
I love how you keep trying to counter everything I prove you wrong on by moving on to something else. Brilliant.
I love how you keep trying to counter everything I prove you wrong on by moving on to something else. Brilliant.
No, I'm just saying that I disagree with the validity of the examples you've given.
Well he did say usually. He's right, in his first season he was and this season he is so far. Thats 2 out of 3. Usually he is among our top assisters.
You can't keep saying that its either Nani is shite or when he's good its Cech or Wolves that are shite.
It says he had 4 last season. 14 the season before. 3 already this season. Enough said.
Domzi, name me a better crosser in England?
I may give you Gerrard. But thats it. And I am sure the posters who have sense, will agree with me...
I may give you Gerrard. But thats it. And I am sure the posters who have sense, will agree with me...
Yeah, Domzi's stats are wrong there. They say Berbatov has 8 when he got 10 in the league alone, for example.
14 assists in 07/08.
Nani 14
Rooney 12
Giggs 10
Ronaldo 8
Tevez 7
Nani 14
Rooney 12
Giggs 10
Ronaldo 8
Tevez 7
What an unbelievably shit threadI cant believe ive read through all these pages of useless discussion. Some people should be ashamed of their embarassing posts in here.
Im not a Nani fan personally, far from it but this thread has taken a pretty embarrassing turn. To say his delivery is shit is just so fecking clueless. Thats the thing about the CAF at times, everything is either black or white.
Its his decision making thats the biggest problem. As a winger his crossing ability and from set pieces his corner taking ability is probably the best at the club at the moment.
The pace he can deliver the ball with is lethal when he gets it right.
Its just a matter of patience, Ive lost it with him loads of times but I've also seen alot of improvement in him this season. Like him or not he's absolutely vital if we have any aspirations of winning silverware.
Im not going to let his performance tonight change my mind on that.
Its his decision making thats the biggest problem. As a winger his crossing ability and from set pieces his corner taking ability is probably the best at the club at the moment.
The pace he can deliver the ball with is lethal when he gets it right.
Its just a matter of patience, Ive lost it with him loads of times but I've also seen alot of improvement in him this season. Like him or not he's absolutely vital if we have any aspirations of winning silverware.
Im not going to let his performance tonight change my mind on that.
He's the most frustrating player in the squad. Has huge potential but no consistency. He was up against a lumper of a full back tonight and should really have run him ragged.
No, you've at least made an argument for the points you are trying to put across. I agree with some of them, not all. It's a forum at the end of the day, with 25,000+ members, not everyone is going to agree.
Which is kind of the point.
It is shit. Sure, he can whip in a fantastic ball from time to time, but they tend to be rare and for the amount of space he often finds himself in, he should be doing more with the ball than what he currently does do.
What facts do you want? I'm just giving my opinion on one of our players. I'm not going to go stat hunting to prove my point.
Because he had the ball a lot, not because he did anything of note. As I've said (twice now), I thought his first season was excellent, and I had real high hopes, but since then he has declined.
Goal aside, against Chelsea he was frustrating to watch, for the most part. Against Besiktas he made a contribution which lead to a goal, I'm pleased he did.
I don't hate Nani by any means, I just don't think he is as good as people like to make out, simply for being a United player. I would like nothing more than for him to start the next few games and make a huge impact and be proved wrong. But judging from his performances throughout last season and his sporadic form in this, I don't harbour much hope.
Valencia can be as frustrating as Nani sometimes. He tends to not be able to beat the first man or he holds onto the ball for too long. But it's his first season at United and he did well in his time at Wigan so I'm going to give him a season at least before I pass judgement.
Tosic I haven't seen enough of and Park I've been unimpressed with for a while.
Good post. Even someone who isn't a fan of Nani can say this.
He had the ball a lot because he was our only attacking player who found some space for himself and looked dangerous when he had the ball, thus the other players constantly gave him the ball.
Didn't do anything of note my ass! He pissed all over Elokobi, he should just have passed the ball backwards in a couple situations - which, unlike what you claim, has practically nothing to do with the quality of the opposition. Getting into those positions in the first place is the difficult part, and he did that time and time again tonight.
Nani is going in the right direction after last season, for sure. Still not fulfilling his considerable potential yet, but getting closer.
It really isn't Top.
What!? You're saying beating your man repeatedly is easier than choosing to pass a ball backwards when you have plenty of time and space!?
Then no wonder you thought he didn't do well.
He's always been good at finding space, which is what I have said. It's what he does when he is in space that frustrates the hell out of me.
Ah, I thought you meant finding space was the difficult part.
Look esmufc09 nothing against your posts, you make your points and you got your arguments,
I don't agree with most of them as far as Nani is concerned but at least they make some sense.
But Domzi's points really dont make any, that's why I didnt even explain any further why I didnt agree with him, because he brought up things that were either completely made up or based on wrong stats
Well but you have to admit that today it wasnt easy at all to make something happen with only 10 men, a small striker up front, pretty much isolated...
But you are right his final ball was a bit shit today, but as far as I'm concerned I think that wasnt the case in his previous games for us this season
Valencia didnt either when he came on. Those are our two best wingers so maybe the fullback was a little better than you think.
Nani tonight aced most of the stuff which would usually be classified as "difficult" and messed up the easy part.
He made Elokobi look like a confused goldfish tonight, and had he just once passed the ball backwards to Owen instead of trying to find someone under the goal, then I imagine this thread would look very different.
He was our only player tonight who actually looked like creating something. Not to mention he worked his socks off and won the ball back quite a few times, which is usually a part of his game people choose to criticise.
Valencia hasn't been setting the world on fire yet either but its early days.
Gary Nev produced more than either right winger tonight which just about sums them up.
Spot on.
And most of it he did from deep, while Nani was occupying the left back. So not really a good comparison there. But you're right about Valencia. The point is that it was a harder game than most, on our right wing, because there was a bruiser out there at left back who the ref was allowing to kick our players without being booked. Did he even get a yellow card at some point after the kick? I dont recall him doing so. It was a tough night no matter who we had on the wing and Nani did well overall. He was just missing his usually good crossing.
The referee was a bit of a twat, he saw the left back deliberately kick Nani and just laughed.
That was a bit weird that. The commentator mentioned it as though it were the most normal thing in the world.