I meant in terms of highlighting his every touch. I've always thought these type of compliations are referred to as individual highlights.
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I meant in terms of highlighting his every touch. I've always thought these type of compliations are referred to as individual highlights.
I'm saying for every player who repays the manager faith there are those that don't. Some of our off th impression that if you're gifted and play long enough you'll have the same impact as Fletcher. I'm saying that isn't the case.
I think most teams are wising up to his shooting ability, and mark him very closely to stop him from taking a shot. All of last night i wanted to see him test Akinfeev, but on many occasions he was even double marked. Clearly the opposition identifies him as a big enough threat to give him special treatment.
His ability to attract defenders would be useful in drawing them away from teammates and freeing them up. He should learn to use that to his advantage by drifting around, feigning shots, and learn to pass through defenders instead of straight at them.
His ability to attract defenders would be useful in drawing them away from teammates and freeing them up. He should learn to use that to his advantage by drifting around, feigning shots, and learn to pass through defenders instead of straight at them.
I've been unsure about Nani for months, and (like most on here) he's made me swear, tear my hair out and generally sigh in exasperation on a regular basis.
BUT
Watching Liverpool and watching us in Europe this week he really hammered home something for me. Nani is a player capable of making something out of nothing, he's fast and dangerous, sure he's frustrating but he can turn a game. Just look at the number of times CSKA had him double marked last night. In comparison Park is far more reliable, so is Kuyt for Liverpool - but neither have that ability to slice through a team.
And for that reason I think he's more than worth sticking with.
When he arrived he was often lumped in with Babel and Kalou as promising young attacking wide players. Well I'd rather have him than Babel or Kalou, and I simply can't see why anyone would disagree
BUT
Watching Liverpool and watching us in Europe this week he really hammered home something for me. Nani is a player capable of making something out of nothing, he's fast and dangerous, sure he's frustrating but he can turn a game. Just look at the number of times CSKA had him double marked last night. In comparison Park is far more reliable, so is Kuyt for Liverpool - but neither have that ability to slice through a team.
And for that reason I think he's more than worth sticking with.
When he arrived he was often lumped in with Babel and Kalou as promising young attacking wide players. Well I'd rather have him than Babel or Kalou, and I simply can't see why anyone would disagree
Thought he was excellent last night, if Owen has been on the pitch from the start then Nani would have bagged a few assists.
The problem with Nani is that he needs a striker who gambles and gets in goal scoring positions. A prime example of that in the second half when Nani fired it low and early across the box with both Berbatov and Anderson flat footed (and they had the cheek to complain!). This is why Owen is such an important player for us, because he's one of the few players who WILL do this every single time.
Best player on the pitch last night.
The problem with Nani is that he needs a striker who gambles and gets in goal scoring positions. A prime example of that in the second half when Nani fired it low and early across the box with both Berbatov and Anderson flat footed (and they had the cheek to complain!). This is why Owen is such an important player for us, because he's one of the few players who WILL do this every single time.
Best player on the pitch last night.
I'd already stated why I didn't think he wad that good. Not my fault if you didn't read it. The post you directly qouted was written in the same smug matter as fact way you had already posted.
A cross that was going nowhere near creating a decent chance until Betbatov rescued a cross with no pace that was behind and turned it into a chance. Most effective for me would be the player that contributed the most to the win. That was Valencia. What in your opinion made Nani the more effective?
You stated Nani was the most effective attacker in response to me saying he wasn't the best player on the pitch. It held no relevance to what I said as you seemed to think being the most effective attacker negated my point somehow.
If you think he's shit in his next game can we share that opinin then please?
The most annoyng thing on this forum is when people insist they know the reason why somebody forms an opinion.
FWIW, which isn't a lot, the Sun have him down as being our worst player last night.
Personally i thought he did quite well. His link up with Fabio was fantastic along with a few other lovely moments which include the ball in for our goal plus setting up Valencia moments earlier when he hit the bar. Mixed in though was, as always, some shocking decision making and running down blind alleys.
The thing with Nani, and this reminds me of Fletcher when he used to get a lot of stick in a lot of respects, is that he always wants the ball and he gets on the ball a lot. He probably had the ball more than Valencia, Berbatov + Owen combined last night so he's obviously going to make more mistakes as he's putting himself out there more than most.
I mentioned the Sun's ratings earlier, the reason i did that was to show something. They gave Valencia Man of the Match which just highlights to me how easily led some people can be by a goal. I thought Valencia did OK last night, but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous for us as Nani was and didn't match up to Nani's performance either. I bet had Nani grabbed a goal for us last night (like he very nearly did) there would be far less people slating him and infact, some of the people slating him right now would probably be the same people that would be wanking off over him. The resident knee-jerkers.
Personally i thought he did quite well. His link up with Fabio was fantastic along with a few other lovely moments which include the ball in for our goal plus setting up Valencia moments earlier when he hit the bar. Mixed in though was, as always, some shocking decision making and running down blind alleys.
The thing with Nani, and this reminds me of Fletcher when he used to get a lot of stick in a lot of respects, is that he always wants the ball and he gets on the ball a lot. He probably had the ball more than Valencia, Berbatov + Owen combined last night so he's obviously going to make more mistakes as he's putting himself out there more than most.
I mentioned the Sun's ratings earlier, the reason i did that was to show something. They gave Valencia Man of the Match which just highlights to me how easily led some people can be by a goal. I thought Valencia did OK last night, but he wasn't anywhere near as dangerous for us as Nani was and didn't match up to Nani's performance either. I bet had Nani grabbed a goal for us last night (like he very nearly did) there would be far less people slating him and infact, some of the people slating him right now would probably be the same people that would be wanking off over him. The resident knee-jerkers.
What I find positive is that he doesn't seem to fade away in games this season like he used to do before. This season when he's on the pitch he seems constantly involved in every single United attack and this wasn't the case before when he could be invisible for long periods of games.
If I think he's shit, I'll say so.
Anyone who's familiar with my opinions on Nani will know that I have doubts about whether he'll make it at United and I'm usually one of the first to criticise him when he deserves criticism.
I thought he played well last night though.
I thought Nani played really well in Moscow last night.....
he looked lively , interested , positive and when some of
his moves / passes came to nothing, he did'nt get disappointed
and disappear into his shell - he kept being up for more....
Worth perservering with IMHO
he looked lively , interested , positive and when some of
his moves / passes came to nothing, he did'nt get disappointed
and disappear into his shell - he kept being up for more....
Worth perservering with IMHO
Yeah, it's ludicrous the way a goal can influence opinions on a player's overall performance.
I really rate Valencia and have spent a lot of the early season defending him from unfair criticism but I didn't think he had a particularly good game last night, over the course of 90 minutes. He caused them less problems than Nani did, that's for sure.
Because Valencia scored the goal and hit the crossbar he's suddenly being hailed as MOTM. Conversely, if Nani's header had gone in and Akinfeev had got a hand to Valencia's shot, it would be Valencia being crucified by the knee-jerk caftards.
I think the Sun is also (like so many posters) influenced heavily by perception and established opinion. The established opinion is Nani is rubbish - Alan Green perpetuates this, so does the Sun, and so do many posters on the caf. Obviously, he often is rubbish, but even when he plays well, he's still slated by most because they're lazy and its just easier to conform to what you were expecting - so Berbatov looked uninterested and moody, Nani was frustrating and rubbish and Valencia was 1-dimensional. There's truth in all 3 of those opinions, but it's never that simple although the Sun and Alan Green would have you believe it really is.
Nani had a good game alright, he gave the ball away a few times like we're used to, but that became few & far between as the game progressed. I felt his performance proved that he can be a serious player for us - as long as a shakes off his "wannabe Ronnie" thing. He's his own man & he shouldnt let ego get in the way of his talent!
One thing I especially liked about Nani's performance was his dribbling. Dribblin became a bittuva thing of the past with Ronnie last season, so it was great to see Nani take on players & do it with grace. He just needs to concentrate on his final ball - not just beating players for the sake of it.
There's not point in beating three players & ending up on the by-line, when he could of beaten 1 or 2 & whip a delightful ball into the box. He needs to beat players to create space for delivery - not beat to look good!
In sayin all of that, he is a fine footballer on his day & he has as the ability to sprint past people - cut in & whip a great shot or cross & he likes to score goals, he just needs to do it more often!
Valencia I thought had a strong game, never did much initially in terms of last third threat in the first half, but his gettin stuck in & his ball retention were really good - bar a few stray passes. The team's performance in the first half was a measured one, so Valencia was doin his bit to feel our way into the game - a bit like shakin a box to gauge whats inside.
I rate Valencia very highly, he's got pace, power, shot, defence, determination & best of the lot - the boys a team player. I'm very excited about him - no pants down at ankles yet, but I feel this lad is a definite first-teamer for the years to come & most certainly against Liverpool
As it stands - Fergie cant leave him out - he carries a threat goin forward & he's as strong as an Oxe in defence. Nani's makin a good case for himself aswell but that all depends on how consistent he can be. We look in good confident shape at the moment & Sunday will go some way to find out how good we are this season
One thing I especially liked about Nani's performance was his dribbling. Dribblin became a bittuva thing of the past with Ronnie last season, so it was great to see Nani take on players & do it with grace. He just needs to concentrate on his final ball - not just beating players for the sake of it.
There's not point in beating three players & ending up on the by-line, when he could of beaten 1 or 2 & whip a delightful ball into the box. He needs to beat players to create space for delivery - not beat to look good!
In sayin all of that, he is a fine footballer on his day & he has as the ability to sprint past people - cut in & whip a great shot or cross & he likes to score goals, he just needs to do it more often!
Valencia I thought had a strong game, never did much initially in terms of last third threat in the first half, but his gettin stuck in & his ball retention were really good - bar a few stray passes. The team's performance in the first half was a measured one, so Valencia was doin his bit to feel our way into the game - a bit like shakin a box to gauge whats inside.
I rate Valencia very highly, he's got pace, power, shot, defence, determination & best of the lot - the boys a team player. I'm very excited about him - no pants down at ankles yet, but I feel this lad is a definite first-teamer for the years to come & most certainly against Liverpool
As it stands - Fergie cant leave him out - he carries a threat goin forward & he's as strong as an Oxe in defence. Nani's makin a good case for himself aswell but that all depends on how consistent he can be. We look in good confident shape at the moment & Sunday will go some way to find out how good we are this season
So everyone should agree?
Some people thought he was good, some didn't. Why sit atop a high horse when somebody expresses an opinion that you yourself have done many times? I'm sure the many times you've said he's been shit there were many who thought otherwise. Did that stop you thinking he was poor?
There are always moments with Nani that delight, and then infuriate. His decision making in the last couple of games has improved, but when his head goes down you just know he's going to try to cut inside and shoot. He does sometimes slow play down too much, but for me he is our most creative and dangerous winger (bar the marvel of Giggs).
All that is missing is that little bit of knowing when not to take a player on and play it simple, hopefully that will come because he is very talented.
All that is missing is that little bit of knowing when not to take a player on and play it simple, hopefully that will come because he is very talented.
I'm convinced the Sun don't watch games and just make theior judgements based on the final score. Nani was not the worst player on the pitch but he wasn't the best either in my opinion.
The flipside of that coin is those who will always talk of how talented he is and how he'll be one of the best when he learns to do A, B, or C regardless of how he performs and how often he's frustrated.
What the feck is your point, exactly?
There's room for a wide range of opinions, obviously. The point I was making was about people who can't offer anything other than criticism for his overall performance.
Anyone who could watch last night's game and not see anything positive in Nani's overall contribution is either too biased against him to be remotely objective or basically a bit of a div.
That you want everyone to bow down to your superior opinion. Did I say Nani did nothing positive? I said he was as infuriating as always. Able to beat his man effortlessly but lost as to what to do next. Obviously because you thought he was goo I should too.
How do you respond on the occassions you've slated Nani and people have thought he played well?
I argue my case by pointing out why I thought he played poorly.
Why do you ask?
More to the point, why have you assumed my original post you quoted was directed at you personally?
I don't really get it. He had a good game. He regularly beat his man - something he didn't really do last season, unless we were playing some really weak teams - and was a constant problem for CSKA. True, his crosses didn't really find their man, but with only Berbatov upfront he never had too many options. Yes, he can be frustrating, but players like him will always be. Ronaldo was, even when he was scoring a bundle.
Very well said.
He makes sensible points. You don't
As did I. When you give your response do people pompously claim to know the reason why you are of that opinion?
I didn't. I fell under the scope of it however.
Okay.
I did, and all you basically said was that Fabio played better on the wing. Yeah, that's a great argument there. You've completely convinced me now. I wasn't being smug at all, you're the one responding to people going "no he didn't" repeatedly etc.
Are you fecking kidding me? Going nowhere? Jesus Christ, you seem to just see what you want to see. Berbatov was the only player in the box when Nani hit the cross, if you look at the highlights you'll see that Valencia didn't appear until the cross was hit. Nani found Berbatovs head perfectly, how the feck is that going nowhere?
No, I didn't, I was just pointing out the fact that he was. It was a statement. I think he was the best player on the pitch, and ONE of the reasons was because I thought he was our most effective attacker. Considering our defense had feck all to do all night, that's a fairly valid point. Trying to twist my words is a bit daft really.
I feel like this is pointless though really, you seem so insanely biased against the lad that it doesn't matter what he does on the pitch.
Was in the pub so was watching the game on and off, but from what I saw Nani seemed frustrating again. Did well in getting past players, getting into good positions, but his delivery and decision making was yet again frustrating.
Did play a part in the goal though, which was good to see.
Did play a part in the goal though, which was good to see.
Hey, I gave him credit where it was due! As I've said throughout the thread, he has the ability to become a fantastic player for us, he just needs to improve his decision making and his delivery, which haven't improved at all since he joined us.
I'll be back Sunday if he plays
I'll be back Sunday if he plays
Hey, I gave him credit where it was due! As I've said throughout the thread, he has the ability to become a fantastic player for us, he just needs to improve his decision making and his delivery, which haven't improved at all since he joined us.
I'll be back Sunday if he plays
Heh, I know, certain people in this thread must just hate Michael Jackson or something.
I fecking hate Nani
That's all
That's all
When did I say my issue was that you didn't think he was our best player? I've no problems with that, but you've just been slating the lad. He had a significant part in our goal, and you're saying he just hit a nothing cross with Berbatov had to save. All berbatov did was head the ball on, whoopity doo.
Where did I slate him? Have you looked back at the highlights yet?
As for the whoopity doo comment. Pathetic really. Berbatov's touch led to the goal. Without it the cross was being cleared.
Nani's contribution to the goal was just as significant as Berbatov's, clearly.
That's like saying any cross would've been cleared if the striker hadn't got the touch. The cross was aimed at Berb, the cross found him. Therefore it was a good cross. Do you not understand these concepts?
A striker can turn a bad cross into a good cross. A cross clipped up wih no pace in it is not that great a cross. Can you understand that concept? I wouldn't think there's much hope for a person who believes Berbatv was the only person in the box when the cross went in.