Forums full of retards recently... Never understood the need to scapegoat, and the glass half empty outlook.
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He hasn't been the world beater that many thought he'd be, that much is obvious.
But you're also overlooking the fact that over the last 3 seasons, he had THE best player in the WORLD ahead of him. And on the other side, Fergie preferred a more defensive and hard working winger in Park to accommodate Ronaldo into becoming a free roaming third forward, it was all about the balance of the squad. Then there were the other times where we played 4-3-3 and obviously Nani would not be ahead of neither Rooney nor Tevez.
If you put Nani in Ronaldo's shoes, where when he first arrived, we only had Fletcher as a proper right winger, he would undoubtedly get more matches. And maybe he would have been a better player for us than he is right now. The fact is that Valencia was a reasonably bigger fish in a small pond at Wigan, he got a hell of a lot more starts and in return Premiership experience over Nani. Therefore, it makes sense that in conjunction with his good current form that he is starting matches. However I still think Nani is technically superior to Valencia and we all want to see him fulfill his potential, no doubt Fergie feels the same as well.
That's a good post and I agree with a lot of it. I still think the left-wing slot has been up for grabs for at least two seasons now and the fact we relied so heavily on Park (with Rooney and Giggs also being asked to play in a position that SAF would rather not play them) has a lot more to do with Nani failing to make the position his own (so far, anyway) than it has to do with SAF gettng nervous about Ronaldo not tracking back.
I think it is a fecking vicious cycle.
Park gets the spot in most games, due to Ronaldo's camping in the final third.
Nani does not play for long intervals.
When Nani is given a spot, he is crap, from not playing frequently.
Fergie is forced to reduce Nani's playing time.
So on, and so forth.
Then again there's as much need to scapegoat as there is to call everyone retards, really.
Well you lot have convinced me about Nani. He's shit.
oh for christ sake.
Its called an opinion. I dont think Nani is good enough. I dont believe he has shown enough in the past couple of seasons to justify the opinion some on here have, that he is somehow conspired against to produce his brilliant best. I believe he has had opportunities and more often than not has been disappointing.
I believe that if he was good enough he would be in the team and as he is in his 3rd season I think its fair to ask why he has not done it. We are talking about a player that came with a lot of potential and expectation. do you really feel he has fulfilled that? if you do then I am completely baffled.
And if you feel he has not been given the time or opportunity as you seem to be saying then I find that just as baffling. how long exactly do you have to wait before you can make a judgement on or have an opinion of a player?
and for the last fecking time I have no agenda against Nani. never met the chap. I'm sure he's good to the mother. I am giving my opinion based on what I see when he plays. A frustrating player that more often than not makes the wrong decisions with the ball at his feet. I see no improvement since his first season. And I see no treachery in saying that. feck sake I'm a football fan on a forum giving an honest opinion. when did this place become a totalitarian cult.
Attributes..... potential....It's always an interesting concept when discussing football. I was watching arsenal the other day and whilst looking at eboue I started thinking. Any arsenal fan can tell you he has no problems beating a man, he's strong, he has two feet, he's certainly no slouch when it comes to pace and he can also defend. I wonder if arsenal fans think he can become great as he posseses all these strenghs.
I also look at bentley and I wonder to myself, he's strong,can use both feet, he has a rocket shot on him, he has great technique ,he's a good Passer, especially his crossing and he's also great at freekicks yet for some reason his career is really stalling.
I also look at bentley and I wonder to myself, he's strong,can use both feet, he has a rocket shot on him, he has great technique ,he's a good Passer, especially his crossing and he's also great at freekicks yet for some reason his career is really stalling.
To be fair i dont think Eboue has the potential to become world class, and Bentley may have the attributes but its clear hes lacking a important one which appears to be attitute
Rewinding back on how Ronaldo came to us as a one trick pony then gradually turning into one of the deadliest player on the planet, how did Ronaldo do it ? His first two season he got the same amount of what Nani is getting right now but you can clearly see the talent was there, he just needed faith. Nani certainly isn't getting that faith.
Also Ronaldo didn't start producing top standard performances til the 2006 season so he needed almost four years to adapt. Nani has been given two and a bit but yet has already been dubbed shit. What is the difference between Nani and Ronaldo ? Ronaldo can pass fullbacks with ease, as Nani can hardly pressure them at all due to being smaller and for sometime now I clearly rate Ronaldo alot faster on the ball. Nani might have a better shot but I can't see anything other than that, that can be potentially better than Ronaldo.
Nani still can become a good player for us, to be honest, we're too used to being successful. As long as there is Nani, I still think there will be the guys booing him calling him shit and people who appreciate him as a better than average winger.
Also Ronaldo didn't start producing top standard performances til the 2006 season so he needed almost four years to adapt. Nani has been given two and a bit but yet has already been dubbed shit. What is the difference between Nani and Ronaldo ? Ronaldo can pass fullbacks with ease, as Nani can hardly pressure them at all due to being smaller and for sometime now I clearly rate Ronaldo alot faster on the ball. Nani might have a better shot but I can't see anything other than that, that can be potentially better than Ronaldo.
Nani still can become a good player for us, to be honest, we're too used to being successful. As long as there is Nani, I still think there will be the guys booing him calling him shit and people who appreciate him as a better than average winger.
2005/06 season, the second half if it I thought Ronalfo really started showing us the player he will become and he carried that form into the world cup and the rest is history. Comparing him to Nani really does not do the lad any favours and it's best we judge him on his own merits.
Can Nani become a great player? I would like to think so but he really needs to start showing us some sort of consistency whitin the next two seasons in my opinion. Anyway, I do find it strange that this thread was bumped after a loss in which he really did have enough time to make an impact in.
On a side note the reason for him not starting on Sunday could be a key indicaton that he did not play aswell in the Cl as many posters on here would have liked to believe. He had his moments but he was very frustrating at times and Fergie may have not been willing to take the risk in such a big game. Is he really having the good season some people are advocating? Anyway it's early days, I hope he plays in our next game and puts in a really good performance. He must make the most of the opportunities he gets.
Can Nani become a great player? I would like to think so but he really needs to start showing us some sort of consistency whitin the next two seasons in my opinion. Anyway, I do find it strange that this thread was bumped after a loss in which he really did have enough time to make an impact in.
On a side note the reason for him not starting on Sunday could be a key indicaton that he did not play aswell in the Cl as many posters on here would have liked to believe. He had his moments but he was very frustrating at times and Fergie may have not been willing to take the risk in such a big game. Is he really having the good season some people are advocating? Anyway it's early days, I hope he plays in our next game and puts in a really good performance. He must make the most of the opportunities he gets.
Or its the fact that Giggs has been our player of the season and didn't play in Moscow due to the scouse game.
Nani has started performing well this season and Sir Alex is noticing it. That kick up the arse at the end of last season helped a lot in getting Nani in the right frame of mind. With Ronaldo gone, he's our show pony. The player that can create something from nothing, and when he cuts in from that left side, he generally works that piece of magic either by a deadly through ball or a brilliant strike, and from that he generally creates a chance.
Generally not concerned about Nani not finding his potential thus far. He needs time to spread his wings and forge his own path, away from the era of Ronaldo and United, and he's finally finding his place this season. Watching him with Evra reminds me of the link up play with Ronaldo and Evra. That fast pased build up with one two touches, rips the shit out of the left side and generally poses a significant threat. Nani will find form this season and he'll turn in to a world class talent. He's already shown for Portugal just how good he can be 'second only to Ronaldo in my opinion', and he needs to transfer that across to United.
it is funny that nani played better than all games this season! i think the frustration of other players just like ruud towards ronnie in early seasons because both are too unpredictable. we need to nani to develop (i admit not fast enough) while we need to adapt as well. on the contrary, berba is slow in movement (not running) i mean. in fact, he does not suit us, esp yesterday, we rely on counterattack but with him, we fail to do so, so dont put all the blame on nani, we need one winger with tricks. nani has the potential but probably this is the last season for him