Ironic that someone who is telling others they are not clever enough has such a problem spelling basic words like cringeworthy and Esteem
Welbeck: He's ready!
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Ironic that someone who is telling others they are not clever enough has such a problem spelling basic words like cringeworthy and Esteem
Must say I'm cheering for Allforone in this one
no of course the OP was a bit over the top,but it was fairly harmless all the same,after all we only have 3 strikers that are natural choices ahead of these 2
Maybe you should give it a go try and keep it football related and see where it takes you rather than just jumping in mid way through having contributed nothing previously to add nothing but insults...
That’s the real issue here...to many of you like Addis and Brwned cant stand anyone disagreeing with them and take great offence to it....so to shy away from talking about and debating the topic at hand you resort to personal insults and patronising sly digs...childish.
If i were trying to portray myself as someone above anyone else on the internet you may have a point..seeing as im not you dont.
I suppose 25+ games a season was a little bit over the top, aye.
That's the trouble though isn't it? The kid will never improve really without top class games, but in a position such as that (centre forward) we can't afford to play him apart from in games that either don't really matter or are clear walkovers (and they are few and far between nowadays).
I think Berbatov has rubbish technique. Discuss.
It's my opinion, so don't make things personal and cal me stupid becaus oviously you're biased because of your blind faith in ferguson.
It's my opinion, so don't make things personal and cal me stupid becaus oviously you're biased because of your blind faith in ferguson.
Well, that's would be retarded. He he he!
Do you think that Welbeck has as good control over the ball as Berbatov?
I never questioned your age.
I suppose 25+ games a season was a little bit over the top, aye.
That's the trouble though isn't it? The kid will never improve really without top class games, but in a position such as that we can't afford to play him apart from in games that either don't really matter or are clear walkovers (and they are few and far between nowadays).
thats the worrying thing nowadays. if you look at the quality players worldwide that are about 21/22, they were all ready for first team action by 18 or 19. with the odd exception like fletcher, but he was given way more chances than the current crop will ever get as his emergence coincided with the djemba years
Will you stop fecking bickering and argue your point properly?
Well he's not from Manchester so you're probably right there if he was though you'd be completely out of order
Heh, you've been known to get personal with a select few, I generally stay away from personal insults but there's a select few for me too.
I could give a reasoned response, but what's the point if the person you're responding too won't bother thinking about it, and just repeat his own point of view, over and over again.
I'll express my views in detail when necessary.
I count that four people who you've gotten personal with, although not directly initiated by you, while there's just been you on my end.
Yep, it's definitely my problem.
Don't call me a retard.
No because a lot of what I would have liked to have said has been said whilst I was away. I already laid my point of view that you can't dismiss any player as unable to make it at the club at such an early age. I think that is OTT than some poster declaring that a young player is ready for the first team.
I've been in an argument with quite a few people on here and even the likes of the Chief aren't nonsensical enough to completely dismiss a group of players after a bad match. A match where the team was devoid of any leaders in the front 6. Hence my big fear that as soon as they scored the young players would drop their heads turned out to be true. That obviously suggests that you wouldn't want to throw Welbeck or Macheda into a role anything more than peripheral. But it hardly would count as they should be gone in the summer.
No that was a misunderstanding. There were 2 things that the other poster was talking about, one of which was that he'd seen a lot more of Welbeck than you. I thought you were implying that you've been watching Welbeck from a younger age than 15.
Yes Brwned it is as while ive tried to keep this on topic you Addis and that other bloke whos name escapes me continue to attempt to talk down to people in what i can only assume is some misguided belief of your supposed ‘status’ on an internet forum...very childish.
You seem to have a big problem with me as i said stemming back from that day i disagreed with you in the newbies and you took great offence to it....grow up and move on..if you cant debate the topic without insults or patronising then move on…
I think Welbeck's got a poor first touch too, and I'm a bit surprised at those who haven't noticed it.
Lots of potential obviously, but still a lot of work to do as well.
Lots of potential obviously, but still a lot of work to do as well.
The main problem is you seem to be going round in circles and that is largely down to you not conceding any points and completely dismissing Welbeck as a player. There's not really much of a point if you're so ingrained in your thinking.
Will you stop making things personal and all about the newbies and some bollocks like that. I don't give a shit about my status on here. Oh, and my previous insult did exactly what I thought it would do.
He's got a good but inconsistant first touch. Its not as if we havent seen Berbatov miscontrol a bunch of times. Doesnt change that when he gets it right, he has a fantastic touch. Welbeck is capable of a very good first touch too.
His first touch certainly isn't in the same category as Obertan's that's for sure. I agree he has an average first touch but luckily he seems to have the big feat to get away with it half the time.
I also think he has some mental issues as he seems to be a fine player once things are going well. But if the chips are down we can't rely on him hence why this OP is mistaken. He's a young player so it's expected but if we were judging him as a first team prospect now then he wouldn't cut it just yet.
I hope you don’t get the same abuse at voicing that as others have...many people have seen his first touch is at best hit and miss..from the games ive seen of him which include many from the reserves his touch often lets him down in tight situations leading to attacks breaking down as the ball simply bounces off him...happened again tonight on quite a few occasions.
When the question gets put forward if he can make it in the first team im always sceptical for that fact alone...his basic technique is still a long way short of the required level it would take to challenge Berbatov and Rooney for a starting spot...
Think that is pretty much obvious to anyone but the OP who probably got a bit giddy after Welbeck put on a decent showing for about 30 minutes.
Sums it up pretty much spot on. Inconsistent but capable of sublime.
Young attacking players fitting that description? Who would have thought it.
Even Ronaldo got dog's abuse from a load of people on here at 18/19.
I think its more a lack of concentration rather than a poor first touch as he can sometimes let the ball get away from him and on a couple of occasions in the first team let the ball roll under his foot but its usually because he's looking up trying to decide what hes going to do with it and probably due to him being used to having more time and space which you often see with youngsters making the transition into first team football and even some experienced players who are new to the premiership
I've not tried to keep on topic at all, I've tried to change the topic completely actually.
This is the point I was making, you keep repeating your points over and over again rather than trying to understand the argument itself, just randomly throwing in the words 'childish', 'status' and 'patronising' whenever possible.
You're either oblivious to your posting faults because you're being ignorant just because it's on the internet - which is in fact acting differently or you're trying to be deliberately annoying, either way today's made that abundantly clear.
I understand it perfectly you just don’t seem to want to accept it either that or your being deliberately short sighted and ignoring it for arguments sake...im one of the few who’s actually trying to debate the topic at hand without sinking to your and addis level which however you want to dress it up is childish in the extreme...i don’t agree with your view on welbeck and ive explained in depth as to why yet you seem to be incapable of accepting it let alone understanding it...many other people on this thread have agreed with my thoughts many others havnt..shock horror...at least some have kept it to a football related debate...
Rather than obsessing over 'my posting faults' (just who you think you are i don’t know) maybe you should concentrate on worrying about your own problems instead of repeatedly informing me of how i can improve to meet your requirements..
Maybe if you lowered your opinion of yourself a touch you’d be able to accept that others have views that will differ...
Surely you're not seriously comparing Ronaldo at that age to Wellbeck?
Course not, that's why I said "even". Ronaldo was a class above Welbeck but as another young player he got dismissed by a lot of people.
You may well be right.
He definately has let a few balls get away from him which he might have had under control, not just last night but in pretty much all his matches for the first team so far. But its no crime for an 18 year old to be doing that. Its what we should expect from an 18 year old making his champions league debut. But at the same time, if you look at some of the goals he's scored so far for the first team and for the reserves, its clear he's also capable of having a great first touch too. And at this stage thats probably the most important thing because consistancy in all parts of his game should improve as he gets older and matures as a player.
You evidently don't though, that's the point. I don't care what you think about Welbeck, and I don't care whether you care about what I think about Welbeck, that's not what I'm arguing about.
It's not about having different opinions, I'm not even paying attention to what your opinion is, it's how you put it across. The last post shows you clearly still don't realise that's what I'm getting at.
Ah well, your loss.
Classic.
Seems Allforone's winning?
I've seen every game he's played that has been televised more than once and his first touch is generally little short of astounding. I don't think you're retarded, however.
Yet.
Believe me, you will.
Believe me, you will.