Absolutely zero..
I'd be more than willing to eat humble pie if Wenger or Fabregas issue an apology...but something tells me there's no way that will happen!
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Absolutely zero..
I'd be more than willing to eat humble pie if Wenger or Fabregas issue an apology...but something tells me there's no way that will happen!
You lads that are saying it was a 50-50 challenge and that Shawcross wasn't at fault, do you have any proof of this? That video is hardly any evidence whatsoever, you couldn't see an airplane if it smashed into Ramsey's leg.
I'm sure the FA will look at detailed pictures taken from the other side of the pitch. That leg break is pretty high, it's not like Ramsey broke his ankle or metatarsal. May be Shawcross doesn't deserve derision that he's getting, but I'm sure he deserves the ban that he gets. Studs up is studs up
I'm sure the FA will look at detailed pictures taken from the other side of the pitch. That leg break is pretty high, it's not like Ramsey broke his ankle or metatarsal. May be Shawcross doesn't deserve derision that he's getting, but I'm sure he deserves the ban that he gets. Studs up is studs up
Well we can only hope he does , Ramsey will come back from the injury and be a good player.
Something like this could ruin Shawcross , he might not ever want to to in for a tackle like that again for fear of doing the same injury.
No matter what his manger says to him.
Wenger is bang out of order for what he said and the actions of Fabregas and Campbell were just has bad.
The Arsenal bench had the benefits of replays, had plenty of time to check his emotions and sadness at the events. He seemed pretty normal when celebrating the goal in his usual manner. To come out with such comments after the game is in my mind is bad form.
Sorry I dont agree ,the vids I have seen IMHO show no malice.
He will have to take his red card and accept it ,like I said before the ref had nbo choice about the red card , not for the tackle but for what would of happened if he had stayed on.
By the look of his reaction i think the Red card was the last thing on his mind.
It's not always about malice though. It was reckless. Shawcross' reaction shows that he didn't mean it, but I don't see how he could have broken his leg without showing his studs.
You do realise that the Manager doesn't sit down and watch replay's while a game is on, then goes from the pitch to the press?
Teams play rough against Arsenal, and they do against United as well. However Arsenal are notorious for succumbing to tight marking and heavy tackles on the field. How his comments suggesting teams play hard and hard play leads to hard challenges where this can be the result is so outlandish.
To suggest that because Arsenal celebrated scoring the goals they obviously have no class is clutching at straws.
There were no studs showing from the images I have seen, nor were both his feet off the ground. It was just two players going in for a 50/50 ball - Ramsey just nicked the ball away and Shawcross unfortunately clattered into his leg. Not intentional or malice intended.
That's different then. Where are the pics, I can't find anything on this except that one video from the distance?
Slightly disturbing image, so don't view if that sort of thing offends you folks.
http://i48.tinypic.com/2rz7uid.jpg
They won via a dodgy penalty in the last minute, after playing most of the game against ten men, and it was against Stoke. I wouldn't say it proved or disproved much, especially after recent performances, and Wenger's embarassing post match interview.
I'm sorry, but if anything needs to be wound in by the FA, it's Wenger. He's at it with his mental conspiracy theory rants after every single game now. It's become sad and annoying. And now he's using a horrific injury to one of his own players to try and add weight to his argument, just like he did last time. What a bellend
Sometimes he comes acoss as a really nice bloke, but then the second half of the season comes around and he invariably reproves that he's a paranoid dickhead, even at times when ordinarily people would feel sympathy for him.
Teams have the benefit of screens on the pitchside, if not they very likely have someone watching and updating the coaches.
What's wrong with teams playing hard and tight marking, is that against rules? Teams like Stoke don't have the finances to buy quality players like the top teams and are hardly likely to try and outplay teams with pretty football.
Thanks
It's hard to tell from this particular pic if the studs were up because it's taken after the tackle. It's clear that Shawcross lost the 50-50 ball, which is not an offense in itself, the exact moment of contact will be interesting to see.
Im not saying there is anything wrong with it, Wenger is saying that those tactics are leading to heavier injuries. Which from what he has seen in the last few years is true.
With the force it wouldtake to clean break someone's leg, I doubt whether he had studs showing or not would have made much difference. It's more about the actual impact. Smith had his leg broken in two places by the football remember, and I don't think footballs have studs on them.
From what you could see it looked like Shawcross swung into Ramsey at the exact same time Ramsey's foot was already planted at a different angle to his leg. That's extremely unlucky, regardless of any wrecklessness or intent
Personally I was shocked the way Arsenal players and the staff celebrated the goal. I hardly think emotion, or upset was a factor during those moments.
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I wish Aaron every success with his injury and has no lasting affects. As a rival fan I don't for one moment hope he comes back to be a world beater. Do we seriously think other rival fans wish Anderson, Hargreaves come back from their respective injuries as great players?
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It's not warped or childish mentality. It's wanting your team to stay ahead of the pack. As a human being I feel for the kid, as a football fan it's possible it will benefit the team I support.
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I don't see anything wrong in hoping my rival teams players turns rubbish.
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Originally Posted by Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber
To wish players become rubbish after injury though is childish and plain wrong.
Whatever
I'm not in a queue for sainthood.
feck me this incident has revealed a few things. People who you thought were okay people turn out to be complete and utter despicable cnuts
Sultan truly what a cnut you are
......as well as some of the usual suspects
feck me this incident has revealed a few things. People who you thought were okay people turn out to be complete and utter despicable cnuts
Sultan truly what a cnut you are
......as well as some of the usual suspects
Would you care to elaborate, than just calling people names.
From that pic there it looks like Ramsey leg broke from his leg getting stuck in the turf before Shawcross touched him, Shawcross wouldnt have bounced off him after he tackled him.
Are you really suggesting this?
As for the incident
Clearly not a leg breaking intentional tackle and sadly Ramsay's weight distribution above a foot planted into a sticky surface has more or less caused it.
I mention in the other thread that you can almost see his ankle about to go before Shawcross' contact. I could be wrong about that but it looks that way to me
Not a decent tackle obviously but if a hundred other different things had been in place from Ramsay it would not have resulted in his terrible injury.
That tackle happens in every game, at every level, probably twice a game but results in probably ten breaks a year and from thousands of tackles that's a low fracture rate - tragically this is one of them
I can understand Wenger's anger and frustration particularly after Diaby and Eduardo's horrific injuries but unlike those this I put down to a terrible unfortunate result hwere I consider those before more premeditated
I'm confident he'll change his view when he looks at it
Clearly not a leg breaking intentional tackle and sadly Ramsay's weight distribution above a foot planted into a sticky surface has more or less caused it.
I mention in the other thread that you can almost see his ankle about to go before Shawcross' contact. I could be wrong about that but it looks that way to me
Not a decent tackle obviously but if a hundred other different things had been in place from Ramsay it would not have resulted in his terrible injury.
That tackle happens in every game, at every level, probably twice a game but results in probably ten breaks a year and from thousands of tackles that's a low fracture rate - tragically this is one of them
I can understand Wenger's anger and frustration particularly after Diaby and Eduardo's horrific injuries but unlike those this I put down to a terrible unfortunate result hwere I consider those before more premeditated
I'm confident he'll change his view when he looks at it
Some embarrasing posts in this thread.
It was a nasty accident from a hard but completely fair tackle.
There were no studs up from Shawcross, no intention from him to do anything other than win the ball and as has been pointed out several times already, it was the fact that Ramsey already had his weight resting on his ankle that contributed to the break.
It was a nasty accident from a hard but completely fair tackle.
There were no studs up from Shawcross, no intention from him to do anything other than win the ball and as has been pointed out several times already, it was the fact that Ramsey already had his weight resting on his ankle that contributed to the break.
No, i said, the PICTURE suggests it, his foot did get stuck in the grass however, which makes any contact on his leg dangerous, which Shawcross did make contact. Pictures can be decieving
MOTD last night showed pretty conclusively it was just a collision between the two, no intent whatsoever. There'll be a witch hunt nonetheles though and Shawcross might not ever escape it.
You have no valid reasoning for your outburst.
If that is before contact then it confirms what I first thought terrible luck for the la
If there was no contact before the break then I'm sure that would of been revealed by now.
Anyone with experience with injuries like this from what is seen. Im guessing Eduardo's had more ligament damage then Ramsey's so the physical repair might be shorter?
Anyone with experience with injuries like this from what is seen. Im guessing Eduardo's had more ligament damage then Ramsey's so the physical repair might be shorter?
Whatever
I happen to think you're a cnut for saying what you have
That's my opinion and I'll stick with that thanks
At first sight it looks like a single break so hopefully it could be a straight forward mend
Fingers crossed
I was searching the net for slow motion videos and evenn though I didnt find any, a few people who have watched them have said it almost looked like his leg was broken before contact due to the way it got stuck in the ground.
Tis a strange one. Hope the lad recovers but all this Shawcross bashing is disgusting.
Whats all this shawcross bashing? What Wenger and peterstory said? There is more support out there for him then against him.
Are you actually going to tell us what he has said? Or point out this cnutish posts? Because the rest of us don't have a clue
Agreed. It wasn't a red card offence. Just an accident resulting from 2 players going for the ball.
No I meant on Gooner forums. Pete's reaction doesn't surprise me one bit. He's an articulate and knowledgeable bloke until it comes to Arsenal when he turns into a blind, childish and insulting Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
But yeah, my search for much clearer pictures of what happened lead me to a few Gooner sites where they were crucifying the poor lad.
Im guessing its from the "hope he doesn't come back a world beater; this benefits our team"
Pardon me for wishing the best for the team I support. If that is cnutish behaviour I guarantee every football fan fits the bill.
You really don't have much of a clue do you?
Go watch the old kickboxer leg break video that's been floating around the net for years. There's no studs involved in that either
That video always me make squirm.
That tackle that Anderlecht player did on a Scandinavian player earlier on this season was a horrendous one as well. What was even more disgraceful were the reactions of a few of the Anderlecht players.
Wasn't a red card... I hope Stoke appeal. Sorry for Ramsey though, hopefully he'll come back from it