So could fletcher on Arshavin, but it didn't and therefore we don't care.
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So could fletcher on Arshavin, but it didn't and therefore we don't care.
We can't evaluate every poor challenge potentially causing injury - for example Davies took out Clichy in that game. If we look at the ones actually causing injury we seem to have been inordinately unlucky wouldn't you say?
That was an horrific lunge from Flamini. If he'd have made proper contact with Nani he'd have snapped his legs in half. Shocking how it wasn't met with a red card.
I don't really care what he says but I think he comes across as a bitter twat with a persecution complex, due to his constant whining.
I also think this was a factor in Arsenal's mental fragility in recent seasons. Each team is supposed to embody the qualities of their manager and the spectacular collapse of Arsenal after Edruardo broke his leg was the actions of a team that thinks everything is someone else's fault and who had a tendency to waste time feeling sorry for themselves, rather than looking at the job ahead.
I've no problem with his attitude, obviously. The more whining the better. It's not good for Arsenal football club IMO but that's all good as far as I'm concerned.
Except he got only the ball, because he knew what he was doing.
so when the team get back to their feet and go on to win the game they get blasted on here for not 'caring' enough.
I reckon you've just been unfortunate. You can't seriously believe there is some conspiracy or policy against Arsenal by opposing players or managers to hurt players. You've also got to remember Arsenal have had some of the worst disciplinary record during Wengers reign. If teams are playing hard but fair football I don't see a problem if they go out with these tactics.
If anything I have always maintained Arsenal lack a couple of hard characters in the team. That I would say is a failing on Wengers part.
Ferguson whines like a bitch on heat if the ref adds on a minute less, feck knows what a screeching he'd make if his players got taken out.
You been drinking again peter or has last weekend tipped you over the edge permanently ?
He got the ball because Nani saw him coming and jumped.
The point I was making was that Diaby's tackle was far worse than Shawcross on Ramsey.
Shame people cant see beyond the drama and actually look at it objectively without the hissy fits
Absolutely. And there's no doubt that some teams play a bit harder against the likes of yourselves because they know that it may well bear fruit. But that's not the same thing as saying Shawcross intended this one. If he has previous against you, fair enough, but I've played a lot of football in my time, and his tackle was a yellow, simply because it was mistimed. I've been on both ends of tackles like that, and if they go from the game we might as well fold and make the game non-contact. I don't think there was any intention to injure him, nor do I think he was overly reckless in making it.
Which players have you lost for significant periods due to bad tackles of late? The only one I can remember is that poor kid Collett which was back in 2004.That right, our players never get taken out
That tackle on Possebon by that Boro' cnut, can't remember his name.
Neville.
Effectively ended his career as top class full back. I didnt see Fegie calling for Speed to be banned from football.
Err..Possebon last season, Mr.pogatetz with a much worse tackle in on him than Shawcross. Only difference was he was lucky enough not to break his leg.
He didn't intend it unless he's a psycho but he had little or no chance of getting the ball, was late and high and used excessive force. He also broke Jeffers ankle two years ago with a late tackle and might well have broken Adebayor's leg (put him out for 5 weeks) with a tackle that was late, high and not even on the field of play.
That right, our players never get taken out
When Pogatez did Possebon last season , did SAF go on whining about long bans and displaying a persecution complex?
He actually displayed a real class about it and moved on.
That's rubbish to be fair. It was a 50/50 that went horribly wrong. he had every right to challenge for the ball and 999 times out of a thousand both players get up and carry on.
Also I remember a kick by that cnut Ball on Giggs, think it was when we beat Fulham 5-1. Could have been very nasty but as Giggs is super-human he came out unscathed.
"You don't want to see things like that and I hope I never see anything like it again," said the United boss. "It is such a pity for the boy and took the gloss off what was a really good performance."
Possebon needed oxygen on the pitch and was then taken straight to hospital for further treatment, with Ferguson fearing bad news on the 19-year-old Brazilian.
He added: "The thing that gets me about challenges like that is that the opponent always claims he has done nothing wrong.
"He [Pogatetz] should have just walked off the field. Then you get their bench screaming that it wasn't a sending off and there is nothing wrong with our player.
Even if you let go of that possebon incident, Pogatetz has a history of being a twat with us. There a couple of vicious lunges I clearly remember he made on ronaldo which would have had serious consequences if ronaldo hadnt got out of the way.
I don't really agree with that. The ball was there to be won until a split-second before, when Ramsay nicked it away. Pete, I know you've played the game, so you'll know how quickly it all happens, never mind at that level. Watching that video again, he's committed to the tackle before Ramsay gets it away. I'm not convinced it's that high either, certainly he wouldn't have gone over the top of the ball had Ramsay not nicked it away.
That was a terrible, terrible tackle though. The Shawcross one wasn't. He just went to clear the ball and there was an unfortunate coming together. As that cnut Logan said, 999 times out of a 1000 both players would have got up unharmed.
Admit you are wrong Peter.
As to how wenger whinges throughtout the year ? Whereas this is just a one-off in the heat of the moment ?
The evidence shows the tackle was no higher than a hundred others we see in matches each week. The fact is that Ramsey was too quick for him, on many other occasions he wins the ball.
If we dealing in "might haves" then Gallas might have hurt the Sunderland lad a few weeks ago. I've also seen Fabregas put in some seriously bad challenges that might have crippled players ....you can't deal with that.
I can understand your ire about the lad getting hurt but you're starting to sound as paranoid as your manager.
We'll see what happens when inevitably one of your players puts in a late challenge. Will you be on here condemning it or claiming it some sort of justice?
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The Ade one was a horrible tackle, the Shawcross one wasn't.
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.
But Ferguson has been whingeing about all sorts of trivia (getting banned in the process) while having nothing to really whinge about. Even Possebon didn't suffer long-term injury.
He clearly meant to break his leg there. ban him for life I say.
Don't think I've commented on this yet but while the whole football community is showing respect for both Shawcross and Ramsay, accepting it was simply a horrific accident, Wenger as usual is making a complete tit of himself. Why doesn't he just stay out of it?
the press interviewed him 5 minutes after the game and asked him about it, is why.
And besides, if you are going to take somebody out, you ought to really take them out
That's not a particularly clever challenge, it must be said. But you seem to be viewing his challenge on Ramsay within the context of his challenge against Adebayor, and have decided he's a dirty player. Most players make some bad challenges, particularly young, physical defenders like Shawcross. But notwithstanding past indiscretions, I don't think Saturday's was one of them, horrific though the consequences obviously were.
That's exactly what we're NOT dealing in. We're dealing in long-term career-threatening injuries.
He should know by now though that his main weakness is being totally deluded and should shut his mouth. It's embarrassing for him and the fans because everyone knows the truth and their thoughts are with Ramsay, Wenger on the other hand comes out with a load of complete garbage as usual and takes the focus away from what was a terrible incident for both Ramsay and Shawcross.
Bloody hell. You're actually comparing the challenge from Pogatetz, with the one from Shawcross?
Surely a smary bloke like you is aware that - as far as tackling in football is concerned - outcome is not always an accurate reflection of intent?