The hate for Real Madrid

Mockney said:
An entrepreneur, lets call him Phil, comes up with a product. It can be any product: a website, a toaster, a killer ninja battle droid, you name it, but Phil designs and develops it. He makes it successful. It’s him who brings this product to the attention of the world… and it’s a truly great product. Now once this online killer ninja robot toaster is in the public eye, and shown to be a success, a big corporation buys it. It pays off Phil, the entrepreneur, creator and nurturer, and takes the product for itself, selling it under it’s name and reaping the benefits of it’s spin off fluffy toys and lunch boxes. The great product is now owned by the corporation, helping it succeed, which it does.

Who is great in this equation? Phil or the corporation?

I ask you this because this is how I often see Real Madrid. Most people probably casually accept Real Madrid as king of the uber-super clubs, but why? What actual pragmatic reason is there for this lofty assumption? Before you try and figure it out, Phil isn’t supposed to be anyone at all, but I could, feasibly, have given him any number of names, Alex, Carlo, Claude, Jose, Rafa, Gérard, Louis etc but I didn’t want to tie it to one instance. Because there isn’t one instance. Madrid don’t really develop players. They don’t really even develop teams. They let other clubs and other managers do this, and once the player has proved his worth to the world, they buy him, and use him to make themselves more successful. Which often, they do.

Historically of course, Real are undoubtably great. The early teams of the Di Stefano era and the Quinta del Buitre generation of the 80s are both truly great sides. But in the last 25 years what have Madrid achieved, on their own merit, to make them truly great? Because it’s only really in the last 25 years, even the last 10, that this claim has been forcibly made....

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..I hate them elmo. They're twats.
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They're twats because they don't develop players, they just buy the best ones? I don't really see what's wrong with that. I don't agree with it, I like to see players developed, it's more exciting that way, but I don't condemn a club buying the best ones. Do you hate Barcelona for all their lavish spending in recent years?

They were extremely good under Del Bosque, winning 2 La Liga's and 2 CL's. And name me a more successful team in the Champions League than Madrid in the last 20 years? They won 3 of the things between 1998 and 2002. They've won 7 La Liga's too, so in the last 20 years they have one more CL than us and 4 less league titles. Then Perez got a bit silly and decided that you don't need defensive minded players to win trophies, and the whole thing collapsed.

You're being very harsh, I've not read the article, I'll give it a read later. The first galactico team under Perez was brilliant.
 
kietotheworld said:
The same reason a lot of fans in England hate us even though we are not their rivals. They treat us in much the same way as we treat teams like Spurs - we talk about their players in the media to pressure them into selling, we sign their best players, a lot of their best players want to play for us, and we are a lot more successful than them.
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Since when have we used our players, management, and board to fill the papers and all other media streams to blatantly tap-up another club's player? Do tell, because IIRC we have never resorted to such despicable depths as Madrid and Barcelona.

Real and Barca are the most disgustingly run, underhand club's you'll ever see. Being Spanish and having that arrogance and belief that you've a devine right to everything you wish for is no doubt a big part of the flaws in these two club's make-up.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Amen to that.

Obviously, elmo's not for turning, thanks to his burgeoning love affair with their manager but I do find it odd that any United fan would not despise the twats after the tactics they used to unsettle and sign our best player. Just in case anyone has forgotten, this included door-stepping his mother (who has previously been diagnosed with cancer) and taking a photo of her holding a picture of him in a Madrid shirt, with a quote saying she wants to see him at Los Meringos before she dies. A new low. Even for those cnuts.

That and the whole fascist thing...
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And what about what we did with Berbatov?
 
kouroux said:
Just the way they treated Makelele who was their most important player is enough for me to remind how much I hate them
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What about the way we treated Keane? Refusing to give him a pay-rise and then when we did, telling fans that was the reason ticket prices were being raised?

I'm not denying Madrid have acted the cnut in the past, and they'll continue to do so, but so have we.
 
WireRed said:
Neither SAF, David Gill, or any MUFC employee mentioned Berbatov's name in the press. We made a bid, Spurs got their knickers in a twist but happily sold when they got the inflated price they wanted, simples.
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Didn't Sir Alex pick him up at the airport despite Spurs not giving us permission to speak to him?
 
esmufc10 said:
Didn't Sir Alex pick him up at the airport despite Spurs not giving us permission to speak to him?
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If that bit of media spin was true, SAF would have been in the dock for breach of rules or whatever, he never was.

Besides, like I said, we have NEVER launched a media campaign to sign a player(s), never have we stooped to SAF, Gill, players, employees, ex-players, and even going to the players parents house with a red shirt and asking them all sorts of ridiculous questions. Real Madrid have and will continue to do so until FIFA grow a set and ping them for what is a clear case of unsettling a contracted player.
 
WireRed said:
If that bit of media spin was true, SAF would have been in the dock for breach of rules or whatever, he never was.

Besides, like I said, we have NEVER launched a media campaign to sign a player(s), never have we stooped to SAF, Gill, players, employees, ex-players, and even going to the players parents house with a red shirt and asking them all sorts of ridiculous questions. Real Madrid have and will continue to do so until FIFA grow a set and ping them for what is a clear case of unsettling a contracted player.
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Ignore the media bit, why are you not condemning Sir Alex's and United's behaviour in our signing of Berbatov? Berbatov 'flattered' by Alex Ferguson's 'airport pick-up' en route to United | Mail Online

Imagine if Perez did the same thing to Ronaldo, or another one of our players. Your argument against Real is valid for us in this case; we know we're a huge club and we knew we could get away with it. We were arrogant in this case.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
THE NAZIS OF MADRID | Sunday Mirror Newspaper | Find Articles at BNET

No doubt Elvis will try and find a way to claim there are hundreds of neo-Nazis popping along to Old Trafford most weekends.
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That article does come across as a crock of shit though.

Another day, another club/player/person we're all supposed to hate on Redcafe...

I couldn't really give a monkey's about what some of their muppet supporters get up to - they've been through phases of having great teams and playing great football I've enjoyed watching and that's all I care about really.
 
I hate them because I hate money and marketing taking over football and they are the pinnacle of that, the top of the food chain.

I think a distinction has to be made between other teams like United (who also spend big on players but on a slower rhythm and maintaining the team's identity) or Barcelona (who seems to spend just to show Real that they can spend as well because in the end the best players they have were all developed there).

This new football is here to last, but I don't have to like it. I can't be hypocritical and hate buying clubs for having the power to strip my club of it's best players when my club does the same to Argentinian or Brazilian clubs. But I sure miss the days when half our squad were players developed here and yet capable of winning a CL. I'm sure any Ajax, Porto, or Benfica fan misses those days more than anyone. Surely if I dislike what happened to football - the switch from sport to business - I have to dislike Real Madrid as they're the ones who abuse this system to the maximum extent.
 
esmufc10 said:
Ignore the media bit, why are you not condemning Sir Alex's and United's behaviour in our signing of Berbatov? Berbatov 'flattered' by Alex Ferguson's 'airport pick-up' en route to United | Mail Online

Imagine if Perez did the same thing to Ronaldo, or another one of our players. Your argument against Real is valid for us in this case; we know we're a huge club and we knew we could get away with it. We were arrogant in this case.
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It's NEVER been proven that SAF met Berba without permission from Spurs, neither Spurs, City, Berba, or United have confirmed exactly how that day panned out.

So until you can provide factual evidence that SAF met Berba without Spurs say-so, your claim is nothing more than hear say and based on media assumptions.

Don't you find how Madrid were on Mourinho's case before Inter's first CL final in decades a slight bit disrespectful and insensitive? I do, just like the way they conduct transfers with players.
 
esmufc10 said:
Exactly. There's a few hundred Nazi's attending a Madrid game, out of the millions of fans they have. Big fecking deal. You hate the club because a tiny percentage of their support are Nazi's? Bit odd.
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Eh? It's not aout neo-Nazis attending games, it's about the links they have with the football club itself.
 
Calderon, Perez, the chase for Ronaldo, Facism, Perez, Mourinho....is that enough reasons?
 
BaldwinLegend said:
That article does come across as a crock of shit though.

Another day, another club/player/person we're all supposed to hate on Redcafe...

I couldn't really give a monkey's about what some of their muppet supporters get up to - they've been through phases of having great teams and playing great football I've enjoyed watching and that's all I care about really.
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Each to their own. Elvis can't work out why Real Madrid are disliked by many (but not all) United fans. I'm giving some of the reasons. Whether they matter to you, personally, is neither here nor there.
 
If most of us are honest, we hate them because we're constantly at risk of losing our best players to them.

Where we are used to bulldozing other English clubs when we want their best players, Madrid do the same but on a European scale and with slightly less class.
 
In all honesty, when's the last time we developed a really good player from our youth academy either? Obviously we're nowhere near the level of Madrid in terms of swooping up stars, but when you consider most of the youngsters we've developed lately who turned out top class, they weren't exactly cheap were they? £13m for Ronaldo, £14m for Nani, £30m for Rooney & Rio.

The only certified first teamer of ours who was developed at the club in the last 7-8 years is Fletcher, as far as I can tell. Maybe O Shea?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
O'Shea, Fletcher, Brown, Evans and Gibson have all played a fair bit of football for us these last few years.
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He said 'really good player' so I don't know why you've included Gibson. Brown is a crock who managed to keep himself fit for one season (2008, it was a pretty good one!) O Shea is a good utility player and nothing more. Fletcher's a good shout (Though not on this seasons form).
 
esmufc10 said:
He said 'really good player' so I don't know why you've included Gibson. Brown is a crock who managed to keep himself fit for one season (2008, it was a pretty good one!) O Shea is a good utility player and nothing more. Fletcher's a good shout (Though not on this seasons form).
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No he said "certified first teamer".

We don't have a "certified" XI these days. We have a squad. They are all important squad players (apart from, arguably, Gibson)
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No he said "certified first teamer".

We don't have a "certified" XI these days. We have a squad. They are all important squad players (apart from, arguably, Gibson)
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Eh? He said , really good player, re-read the post. When was the last time Brown was an important part of the first team squad? Gibson hasn't and never will be. Fletcher is, O Shea is. But they're hardly in the same class as the players we produced in the 90's are they? Or the players Barcelona have produced over the last half decade.

EDIT - sorry, just re-read the post myself. I'm still not fully awake. The rest of my point still stands though.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
No he said "certified first teamer".

We don't have a "certified" XI these days. We have a squad. They are all important squad players (apart from, arguably, Gibson)
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I said both, actually, and none of those really fall under that category apart from, arguably, Darren Fletcher.

I just think it's very pessimistic of us to be lambasting Madrid because they sign all the big players in world football, when the majority of our best players were still bought at pretty high prices, bar the golden oldies Scholes and Giggs.

And quite a few were usually certified top/good players already. Carrick, Vidic, Evra, Rio and Rooney (sort of), Valencia, Hargreaves, Berbatov, etc etc.

We're most certainly not a 'development' club, not right now anyway, though it's fairly obvious that SAF is trying to get us back on that track, and maybe when we do, we can look down on RM again.

They do what we've been doing, they just have a feckload more money to do it.
 
Boss said:
I don't hate them, those are just a few reasons why I can see people not liking them

I can't hate a team where the team in question has no clue that I do, it's got to work both ways
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The only reasons I can think of is that they don't come across as a family club. Their fans come across as stuck up snobs that aren't impressed with anything less than a 4-0 win with 3 backheels and a bicycle kick. There doesn't seem to be that sort of feeling of it being a friendly, family club like is the case with United and Liverpool.

The only other reason I can think of is all the things I keep hearing about their corrupt history. But I haven't read up enough on that to be certain.
 
Whether it's the reasons above or what I don't know, but for some reason Real are just a very unlikeable club. I don't particularly have any deep hatred for any team apart from our rivals, but Real just come across as a club that seem impossible to like. At least for me. A club like Milan are more charming for some reason.
 
So is it just Real Madrid and Barcelona we should all be hating or should I be trying to hate other Spanish clubs as well? Seems weird that those two always get it on here but every other team in La Liga get away with it.

I'll wait for Lailiani to come along and set us straight. Hating Spanish clubs/football is something she's brilliant at.
 
kietotheworld said:
Fletcher and Gibson aren't really from our youth academy now, are they?
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Yes. Yes they are.

By any sane definition anyway. Or are you seriously trying to claim the only players any club can claim as products of their academy must not have played football for any other club, ever?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Whether it's the reasons above or what I don't know, but for some reason Real are just a very unlikeable club. I don't particularly have any deep hatred for any team apart from our rivals, but Real just come across as a club that seem impossible to like. At least for me. A club like Milan are more charming for some reason.
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Are they? The scandal of recent times has somewhat thwarted my opinion of Italian clubs. I used to see Juventus as being a good club, never spent huge amounts, did well and liked to play good football. Now? Bunch of cheating cnuts.

I think a lot of people dislike RM for the simple fact that they're the only club in the world with a bigger fanbase than us.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Yes. Yes they are.

By any sane definition anyway. Or are you seriously trying to claim the only players any club can claim as products of their academy must not have played football for any other club, ever?
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They were 16 when we signed them, we can hardly claim to have produced them any more than we can claim to have produced Ronaldo.
 
The only person who has alluded to Mourinho in this thread is Pogue. He's a wee bit obsessed.
 
It's definitely more of the Ronaldo thing that people here hate Real Madrid. Anything else is just abit of rich to me. I don't see how you can hate a team from another league that United don't play in and the fans won't get involved in.
 
towcester_red said:
I doubt they would ever need to take Nani from us
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What does need have to do with anything?

kietotheworld said:
They were 16 when we signed them, we can hardly claim to have produced them any more than we can claim to have produced Ronaldo.
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You say it like we have had no influence on these player's careers, when we clearly have... you been watching?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Disliking a club is not the same thing as creating a fictitious "rivalry"

I can't fecking stand Millwall because of their fans. They will never be our rivals.
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God their fans are idiots. I got stuck in a train station with a bunch of them about 6 months ago. I was waiting for a train to go play a gig and a load of them spilled off a train. Sadly my station was where their connector train was.

I cannot fathom how collectively and individually stupid some people can be. At one point one of the loud mouths was acting such a muppet I just couldn't fathom how his mates didn't even notice it.
 
afrocentricity said:
You say it like we have had no influence on these player's careers, when we clearly have... you been watching?
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Influencing Gibson's career is not something I'd be shouting from the rooftops about, and while we undoubtedly had an influence on Ronaldo's career, it would be extraordinary to call him an academy player when he came from a different club's academy. I don't see why we shouldn't apply the same standards to Fletcher.
 
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