Can't see Giggs, Scholes and Neville being too impressed either.
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What makes you think Chelsea will be spending more than £25m net per year? They have been pretty prudent for the past few years themselves...
And although it's not really being brought into focus at the moment, their squad will be in need of vast investment soon enough.
They'll have their own Neville, Giggs, Scholes issues with the likes of Terry, Lampard and Drogba, for instance.
Don't forget Neville, Corry and DeLaet!
I completely agree. Its time for the Glazers to put some cold hard cash into the squad. None of this "nett spending" bollocks.
Open the cheque book and show us the colour of your money.
There is one big problem United are going to face, and this is a situation that no one yet seems to have put into the frame.
3 years ago we had Ronaldo and Rooney. The two most wanted players on the planet. Ask any manager which two PL players they would want to buy and they would have been top of every managers list.
Then go ask every player who they would want to play alongside, and the reply would be equally as equivocal.
Now United have lost their two most important players.
What world class player is going to want to sign for United, knowing that the club has let go, the two hottest properties on the market.
With the ownership problems, and high profile players not wanting to stay, then any world class player looking for a team to go to, isnt going to be overly impressed at the ambitions of a club who have managed to let two of the best players in the world slip through their fingers.
Players coming in will want to see some ambition, some drive and most of all commitment that the club will be able to attract the best in the game and take United forward. I think Fergie will have a struggle convincing top class players of this.
But we don't sign World Class players. Thats not what United is about.
You sell it as, "you're the next world class star"...
If I hear that term again I'm going to wish death upon everyone posting on here.
There is a big difference between Chelsea and United.
They are a team looking forward. The top team in the country with a reputaion of being prepared to go out and get the best players if they need them.
Ask any player in the world which two clubs they would want to go to in England and they will say CHelsea and United.
If United keep losing the most important players, then you will soon see the options reduced to one. Chelsea.
Unless we show some real ambition and replace Rooney with a player of real ( and I mean real ) quality. Then that will make it look like United are not serious about trying to compete and that alone will deter players from wanting to join United.
Exactly.
We should be all for signing players on the cusp of greatness.
In all of this, I hope it fires the likes of Anderson to achieve what they're capable of because Rooney's actions basically suggest he feels that the players we have coming through don't have the requisite quality...
bollocks..
Barring Giggs and Scholes, in the last 20 years every single player that could possibly be classed as a world class player has been bought.
Being fair though, Rooney isnt the only one.
Most supporters don't think they do either.
Sorry, but that is such utter tripe it is unreal.
I know you have a lot of issues about United and you half want all of the doom to come true, but talking out of your arse is pointless.
Chelsea have stopped the floodgate of money quite a while ago. They aren't "looking forward", they have an aging squad like we do.
Signed as a World Class player?
Hogwash yet again.
They've been made into world class players.
Regarding our own position - this is a massive moment. Rooney leaving doesn't mire us in crisis. But the failure to replace him most certainly will. If we do this cleverly, then we can get £50m for him. That would give us some decent ammo in the transfer market.
Surely the Glazers aren't going to neglect their business by failing to re-generate the playing squad?
Chelsea haven't really been in the market for bug money signings for about three years. They've been all about the organic growth. There's been a lot of talk of your Neymars and Torres' but nothing has materialised. They're being pretty much run as we always were - prudently, but with the ability to splash out £30m on that marquee signing...
But my point stands - in a year or two, they're going to get to the point where people talk about needing to replace to core of their team and that won't be an easy task.
Granted.
But to be honest, Rooney isn't really in a position to be bemoaning the quality levels of other players given what he's produced in the past six months.
The really galling thing about his attitude is that he's intimating that he's sick of doing it all by himself. But the foundations of his 34 goal haul was all about outstanding service from the flanks.
So MUSTs position is that Rooney is leaving because of 'lack of ambition' at the club. And not because he wants 300k a week.
Right.
Right.
But they have the capacity to attract players. United at this precise moment in time do not.
If Chelsea want to, they can simply get Roman to bring out his cheque book.
At this moment in time he doesnt have to because the team is up there with hte best of them. However if the player is wanted then the manager gets him.
United doesnt have that ability. We are a club with an aging squad. Fans at each others throats, a manager in his last 2-3 years ( at very best ) and we've just managed to lose two of the most high profile names in the game.
If I were a top class footballer, and I had a choice where to go to, United or Chelsea, then based on the whole situation it would be a no brainer. It would be Chelsea.
LIke it or not thats the way it is.
They are a club on the way up. We are a club going the other way.
Please give me some examples of these "world class players" that we've bought. I would only class 3 as world class, Veron, Van Nistelrooy and Berbatov.
Fred, you've made some good points. Only thing is you stretching the it here...The last 'World Class' player we signed was possibly Seba Veron.
That's the big difference. But I'd still say that he's being sensible these days and that if the bidding for a player gets too high, he'll step aside.
I don't see Chelsea as being in for Rooney actually...
You're surprised? Their eye is so far off the ball right now, if anyone sneezes it's the Glazers fault. Its about time they spend their money and energy supporting us rather than only opposing the Glazers. There are other issues.
Rooneys going to City to get 300k a week.
Do you think the RedKnights would have paid him that?
I was nearly crying about all this yesterday. This is my first post on the matter.
But they have the financial capacity to go out and just buy what they need.
If Terry needs replacing, then simple. Go out, write a cheque and hey presto instant replacement.
If they want a replacement for Lampard, then go to Arsenal, make a £60 million bid for WIltshire and bam.. job done.
We cant do that.
Anyone signing for CHelsea now, knows that if the squad falls below an expected standard then the owner will support the manager. We cant rely on that.. We are all sat here now shitting bricks that the money we get for any sale of Rooney wont be spent on players.
If we have doubts, so will any player United is interested in.
As Jase said Chelsea aren't exactly splashing the cash thesedays. It's simple really, money can buy you any player....just look at City...snaring our best. But Chelsea are definitely not on the up as such. In fact our top four clubs are looking significantly weaker than they did a few seasons ago.
Chelsea may have stopped signing players but they have been handing out bumper contracts to keep the ones they have.
All hail the Glazer's, saviours of our football club
What on gods earth have the Red Knights got to do with anything ?
Where have I mentioned the Red Knights ?
If you are going to join the debate, at least join in using relevant arguments and not try to score cheap pathetic points which are completely and utterly irrelevant.
( oh and for the record, if you had a brain and had followed what I've said all the way along, I am not in favour of the Red Knights anyway )
Well, lets face it, this is all manna from heaven for certain people. Anything that goes wrong at United has a silver lining for them: it can be spun their direction and they can get their name in the papers.
Christ, if they really want Rooney as their poster boy then good luck to them.
MUST consider it their duty to turn any negative event at United into an anti-Glazer bullet.
That's why MUST are fast losing credibilty with so many people. Such a shame.
I was and all my shit would also of been in cheap plastic bin bags on the front lawn.
The difference is we aren't world famous multi millionaires; it does seem to cut some slack.
Joking aside I might be wrong but I wondered if Rooneys marital problems have affected his decision, if he were to go to City for the alledged £300K a wekk then obviosly not..
Being fair have they need to spend big though ?
The one season they didnt finish top 2 they went out, did a bit of juggling and come back and win the league.
If they slip to 4th or 5th then Roman would simply go out and buy a complete new team.
If he can sack Mourhino because he didn't feel the club is going in the right direction, then rest assured he will have no hesitation in selling the entire squad and replacing them.
Well what alternative to the Glazers allows us to compete on wages with City?
Only another suggar daddy owner the level of Mansour. The PLC could not have done it.
I hate the debt the Glazers have thrown on United. But blaming them for Rooneys ego is just stupid, and is letting Rooney off far too easily.
It also decreases our chances of luring a top quality manager after Fergie retires.
The worrying thing for me, is that with the our present financial situation which is like an anchor around our necks..and considering the failing other businesses of the Glazers...there really isn't a cheque book that can be used!!
I really do agree with you about attracting world class players to a club that can't keep the ones its got. However, I'm hoping that our history of success, sometimes against the odds (considering Chelsea's wealth over the last 5 years or so), and Fergusions reputation will convince a couple of big stars to give it a go!!
If he wanted to he could've gone and done a City this summer in an attempt to capture the European Cup. But he hasn't. I think he's feeling the pinch as much as anyone.
I agree. Just making the point that they have spent in other ways.
Like who? Rio, Rooney, Nani, Ruud, Ronaldo werent world class when we got them we developed them into great players and in the case of Ronaldo, Ruud and Rio made them WC.
The only true world class player we have brought was Veron and we all know how that ended
You do wonder why they weren't even clever enough to figure out that, rather than blaming the Glazers, they should simply say it's a shame that has come to this with Rooney and that this is a chance for the owners to show their support to the club by spending money.