MERGED: Rooney signs new contract!

antihenry said:
If it was the club sending out a message to potential suitors about the player's availability, your point about bidding war would be totally on the money. However, that's not the case.

It's Rooney who wants out, and this weakens United's position significantly. If he isn't sold in January, he can buy out his contract in the summer for £5m and sign as a free agent for the club of his choosing with the sign in bonus that'll more than make up for it.

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All it takes is one club to be interested in buying him and everyone else will jump in. Thats what you do when a player of Rooneys reputation becomes available.

Its like how we rushed in when Newcastle went sniffing round. He'll be gone in January and there will be a large bidding war for his services. Ozil was in a similiar position and he went for a fair amount of money (albeit in the summer and not cup tied).
 
TonyMontana said:
But we bought Chicharito, precisely to replace Rooney when he can not play.
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Yeah we buy a unproven Mexican to backup our superstar up while City bring in Silva/Balotelli to back up Tevez, Barca bring in Villa to backup Messi and Madrid bring in Ozil/Di Maria to backup Ronaldo/Kaka.

Again, if fans on here can find that somewhat odd for a club considered the world's biggest, than why can't the player/s? Especially when you look at the wages and price for some of those and think well.....we SHOULD be going to them, none of them have Yaya-esque out of reach wages.
 
My Odds on Things Rooney will say:-

Evens - I have always given 100% for United during my six years at the club.

2/1 - I just feel that it is time for me to accept a new challenge.

10/1 - Taking the brunt of Fergie's hairdryers for six years has made me bald and I need to get out because it is taking me longer and longer to wash my face every day.

20/1 - I have always admired Manchester City's owner.
 
Twigginater said:
I hope he says something about the Glazer ownership. He'd go up a lot in my estimation if he did
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Well that would make you a bit of an idiot. Nothing he could say would pin this decision on the Glazers, and invoking their name for fan support would be pathetic.
 
Twigginater said:
I hope he says something about the Glazer ownership. He'd go up a lot in my estimation if he did
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Why would that change anything?

"The Glazers have ruined man Utd...... I'm off"

It's bollocks anyway, he's not after a move because of boardroom politics or economics, it's money pure and simple. In fact if he said "folks, they're offering me 2m quid a month, I can't turn that down", I'd respect that decision more than some lame excuse about the Glazers
 
Aporkalypse said:
Well that would make you a bit of an idiot. Nothing he could say would pin this decision on the Glazers, and invoking their name for fan support would be pathetic.
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If he says now he's worried about lack of investment in the squad and the dwindling attraction United have because of the Glazer ownership, he'll be a hero in my eyes. Because feck it, I wouldn't want to stay at a club where we're losing money every year, and can't compete with others, when realistically, we should be top of the pile.
 
Aporkalypse said:
Well that would make you a bit of an idiot. Nothing he could say would pin this decision on the Glazers, and invoking their name for fan support would be pathetic.
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Dunno about that. A hack in the Guardian today mentioned that Rooney may be disenchanted with the Glazers' failure to pony up to strengthen the team. He mentions the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez and he believes that this has had a detrimental effect on Rooney. OK, it's speculation and may be a crock of shit, but its a plausible theory. Don't dismiss it entirely.
 
Zen said:
Yeah we buy a unproven Mexican to backup our superstar up while City bring in Silva/Balotelli to back up Tevez, Barca bring in Villa to backup Messi and Madrid bring in Ozil/Di Maria to backup Ronaldo/Kaka.

Again, if fans on here can find that somewhat odd for a club considered the world's biggest, than why can't the player/s? Especially when you look at the wages and price for some of those and think well.....we SHOULD be going to them, none of them have Yaya-esque out of reach wages.
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That's because fans are muppets, I don't expect players to be muppets too. Chicharito is a great player and will be even better during the years, Valencia was a great replacement for Ronaldo, he won't score 40 goals in a season but he is a very good winger.

We have a great team and a manager who wants to win trophies every season, United have the consistency on the top that Madrid, Milan, Inter, Barcelona don't have, that's because we have a organized team and a good manager, thats ambition to me not singing some superstars to make fans happy
 
Moriarty said:
Dunno about that. A hack in the Guardian today mentioned that Rooney may be disenchanted with the Glazers' failure to pony up to strengthen the team. He mentions the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez and he believes that this has had a detrimental effect on Rooney. OK, it's speculation and may be a crock of shit, but its a plausible theory. Don't dismiss it entirely.
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Cause it's a plausible theory. It may very well be the truth. I still think we've got a squad capable of winning the league. We need luck for sure but every club does. What we have seen though is a ridiculous lack of investment in the team, and if Rooney is a bit clued up on the financial situation of the club and knows who we're looking at, he may well want to leave a sinking shipp.
 
Twigginater said:
If he says now he's worried about lack of investment in the squad and the dwindling attraction United have because of the Glazer ownership, he'll be a hero in my eyes. Because feck it, I wouldn't want to stay at a club where we're losing money every year, and can't compete with others, when realistically, we should be top of the pile.
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He stated his desire to leave on August 14th after a season where we had only narrowly missed out on the league and a CL semi against Lyon (neither of which were helped by his injury). Complete and utter bollocks.
 
Twigginater said:
If he says now he's worried about lack of investment in the squad and the dwindling attraction United have because of the Glazer ownership, he'll be a hero in my eyes. Because feck it, I wouldn't want to stay at a club where we're losing money every year, and can't compete with others, when realistically, we should be top of the pile.
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And you wouldn't give it one more year than the one where we finished second-top of the pile after finishing three at the top?

Despite reports, we are NOT in Liverpool's situation right now.

No, as you say, if he comes out and says that he's been offered £2m/month and he's taking it, that would be fair enough. That clearly can't happen though because that would land the other club in a whole heap of shit.

So, he's going to have to come out with some vague bollocks about something or other. I just hope he heeds Fergie's words and "respects the club" (and, by extenstion, the fans and our intelligence).
 
Zen said:
Yeah we buy a unproven Mexican to backup our superstar up while City bring in Silva/Balotelli to back up Tevez, Barca bring in Villa to backup Messi and Madrid bring in Ozil/Di Maria to backup Ronaldo/Kaka.

Again, if fans on here can find that somewhat odd for a club considered the world's biggest, than why can't the player/s? Especially when you look at the wages and price for some of those and think well.....we SHOULD be going to them, none of them have Yaya-esque out of reach wages.
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Let's see what City and Madrid win before we judge them shall we? This isn't Football manager. Villa was bought as a replacement to Ibrahimovic not as a back up to Messi so stop trying to twist scenarios to suit your twisted argument.
 
Moriarty said:
Dunno about that. A hack in the Guardian today mentioned that Rooney may be disenchanted with the Glazers' failure to pony up to strengthen the team. He mentions the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez and he believes that this has had a detrimental effect on Rooney. OK, it's speculation and may be a crock of shit, but its a plausible theory. Don't dismiss it entirely.
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Ultimately I feel this will be his line to try and get some sympathy from the fans, I hate the Glazer's but this won't wash with me
 
To be fair, the circumstances are perfectly set up for him to hide behind the 'new challenge' angle in his statement. City have bags of money and will only get stronger. I'm guessing he genuinely feels like they will win more trophies than us during the course of his next contract.
 
Zen said:
Yeah we buy a unproven Mexican to backup our superstar up while City bring in Silva/Balotelli to back up Tevez, Barca bring in Villa to backup Messi and Madrid bring in Ozil/Di Maria to backup Ronaldo/Kaka.

Again, if fans on here can find that somewhat odd for a club considered the world's biggest, than why can't the player/s? Especially when you look at the wages and price for some of those and think well.....we SHOULD be going to them, none of them have Yaya-esque out of reach wages.
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:lol:
 
Aporkalypse said:
He stated his desire to leave on August 14th after a season where we had only narrowly missed out on the league and a CL semi against Lyon (neither of which were helped by his injury). Complete and utter bollocks.
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And that was how many months after the season had finished? And did he know about potential transfer targets or money availible?
 
If this was known to the club on 14th August, and they're only 'going public' with it now, 2 months after the transfer deadline (31st Aug) where we could have got more more money for the player potentially. Presumably they'd hoped to persuade Rooney to stay - this has clearly failed, and the club have been forced into going public.

For this reason and Fergie's emotional statement yesterday, I can't see a u-turn.
 
To those saying that he can quit his contract for 5Million

One saving grace could be the fact that the members of the European Club Association have an agreement that they will not exploit the Webster ruling. However, that agreement remains unwritten and the temptation to sign Rooney on the cheap would be very attractive for Europe's leading sides.
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This association includes Manchester Citeh also. It's not written but I don't imagine many club breaking this agreement.
 
RedSky At Night said:
All it takes is one club to be interested in buying him and everyone else will jump in. Thats what you do when a player of Rooneys reputation becomes available.

Its like how we rushed in when Newcastle went sniffing round. He'll be gone in January and there will be a large bidding war for his services. Ozil was in a similiar position and he went for a fair amount of money (albeit in the summer and not cup tied).
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The bidding war only makes sense when the clubs think they have a real shot at landing the player. They will of course send inquiries like they always do in cases like this, but ultimately if Rooney is set on joining a certain club, he can tell Gill to either accept the January bid from the club of his preference or risk keeping an unhappy player in the dressing room causing the major distraction and unrest within the team throughout the season only to lose him in the summer for peanuts as the result of the contract buyout.
 
Aporkalypse said:
He stated his desire to leave on August 14th after a season where we had only narrowly missed out on the league and a CL semi against Lyon (neither of which were helped by his injury). Complete and utter bollocks.
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Failure is failure, no matter how narrow. If we'd have been more interested in replacing quality with quality, we'd probably have not been so toothless as we were when Wayne got injured.

We can deny it all we want, but the club's hierarchy are more concerned with servicing the debt and paying the interest rates, than they are in investing in the squad, a squad crying out for an injection of quality.

Not that any of that excuses his disgusting demands or his disrespectful behaviour.
 
Moriarty said:
Dunno about that. A hack in the Guardian today mentioned that Rooney may be disenchanted with the Glazers' failure to pony up to strengthen the team. He mentions the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez and he believes that this has had a detrimental effect on Rooney. OK, it's speculation and may be a crock of shit, but its a plausible theory. Don't dismiss it entirely.
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In the immortal words of Christine Keeler 'he would say that wouldn't he?'. He may even believe it. But I think it's all about the dosh.
 
Twigginater said:
And that was how many months after the season had finished? And did he know about potential transfer targets or money availible?
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Point is that in the four last years we have challenged for everything, and nearly won everything. If Rooney decided this summer, that suddenly we aren't ambitious enough then that just can't be believed.

We spent 7 M or so on Bebe, some money must have been available and Rooney knows that. I am 90 % sure that the reason he is leaving is that he demanded astronomical wage raises that we never were going to accept, but which the likes of City and Chelsea will.
 
WireRed said:
Failure is failure, no matter how narrow. If we'd have been more interested in replacing quality with quality, we'd probably have not been so toothless as we were when Wayne got injured.

We can deny it all we want, but the club's hierarchy are more concerned with servicing the debt and paying the interest rates, than they are in investing in the squad, a squad crying out for an injection of quality.

Not that any of that excuses his disgusting demands or his disrespectful behaviour.
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I'm not saying that it isn't the case, but if Rooney spouts that as his reason for leaving and anyone swallows it as the truth and calls him a hero for doing it then they are complete suckers.
 
How could our squad, after being 1 point behind Chelsea after three titles on the throt, having added a promising defender and an even more promising striker have been crying out for replacements during the summer?

We are now for sure, but I think our squad going into the season was strong enough.
 
Twigginater said:
If he says now he's worried about lack of investment in the squad and the dwindling attraction United have because of the Glazer ownership, he'll be a hero in my eyes. Because feck it, I wouldn't want to stay at a club where we're losing money every year, and can't compete with others, when realistically, we should be top of the pile.
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But me and hopefully most of the Fans on here, will continue to support United, whoever the owner is, whoever plays in our Shirt and whatever happens on the pitch, I was there for one relegation, heaven forbid that happens again, but whatever does happen I will still support United, that is the difference between a loyal supporter and many of the modern footballers. Neville, Scholes and a few others would probably stay, even in their prime as United means more than another few million, I wouldn't know for sure, but does it change your life if you only have £30 million in the bank instead of £40 million, if any one has that experience please let me know.
 
TonyMontana said:
That's because fans are muppets, I don't expect players to be muppets too. Chicharito is a great player and will be even better during the years, Valencia was a great replacement for Ronaldo, he won't score 40 goals in a season but he is a very good winger.
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Why not?

Pexbo said:
Let's see what City and Madrid win before we judge them shall we? This isn't Football manager. Villa was bought as a replacement to Ibrahimovic not as a back up to Messi so stop trying to twist scenarios to suit your twisted argument.
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Makes no difference really, they buy Ibra/Villa without selling a player for a world record fee and we buy Hernandez and Valencia, still not helping your argument.
 
Twigginater said:
If he says now he's worried about lack of investment in the squad and the dwindling attraction United have because of the Glazer ownership, he'll be a hero in my eyes. Because feck it, I wouldn't want to stay at a club where we're losing money every year, and can't compete with others, when realistically, we should be top of the pile.
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Well he'll be a liar in mine.

The other day it was an irreparable breakdown in his relationship with Fergie wasn't it.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
That's a particularly stupid post.

You're suggesting that Fergie should have immediately admitted defeat, the moment Rooney turned down the first offer of a new contract?

He still hasn't given up on him yet, 4 months later, for feck's sake. There's plenty of reasons to slate the Glazers but stupid shit like this does your cause no favours. It just makes you seem a bit thick.

Not unlike the press release from MUST, come to think of it...
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Still think Rooneys actions and behavior are NOT affecting Manchester Uniteds brand value and reputation?! Told you weeks ago this would happen.
 
Zen said:
Makes no difference really, they buy Ibra/Villa without selling a player for a world record fee and we buy Hernandez and Valencia, still not helping your argument.
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The feck are you on? They bought Villa and (pretty much) offloaded Ibra. They bought Ibra when Eto'o wanted to go. Henry when Ronaldinho wanted to go etc.

Real Madrid are an exception, they always have been, they just buy and buy and buy and give a feck as to whether a player they spent mammoth amounts on the previous season deteriorates or not, City are going in that direction too.

Seriously, who could we possibly have replaced Ronaldo with? Has Valencia not been excellent since he arrived here? You can't just buy a direct replacement for the worlds best player for feck sake, it's not plausible.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
My money is on the usual guff we hear from wantaway players - haven't spoken to the manager in months, feel alienated, breakdown in relationship, untenable, love the club and the supporters.

Possibly something about being rushed back from injury
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Rushed back from injury is something it would extremely hypocritical to say.
 
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