Isn't that illegal over there?
World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids
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Isn't that illegal over there?
Depends, in the vast frozen tracks of the north, who'd know.
Civilisations gone to pot.
And i hate panorama, i don't care if FIFA is corrupt to the core i want to see the world cup in England, piss off BBC you bunch of no nothing feck biscuits.
Not the first time in recent times that can be said is it, why does this programme still exist?
Exactly - it was cringeworthy stuff. After their last attempt at a football expose (the Glazer Gnome fiasco), I wasnt expecting much but it was even worse than I possibly imagined.
I really cant understand the decision to show this, for the Beeb to claim this pile of wank was 'in the public interest' is a serious insult to intelligence. Old rehashed info which has absolutely nothing to do with the bidding process at all.
I cant believe that some people are actually defending the media in this case - does anyone seriously think that crap like this will help to get rid of corruption?
If it's corrupt to the core, don't you think that being so can influence where the world cup goes and where it doesn't? If corruption is rife within FIFA, then it's quite obvious that the corruption can sway decisions including where the World Cup goes. Where the World Cup (which for me is a totally outdated concept in the first place) goes should be judged on merit over several criteria, not on backhanders and politicking.
Can you expand on this, Weaste?
This is not more Football Manager influence is it?
So people taking backhanders in the past that are still sitting on the executive committee of FIFA, the body that is going to decide who gets the World Cup, has nothing to do with the bidding process at all? Maybe it is a valid insult on your intelligence?
If the corruption is not highlighted, then I think that it's quite obvious that it will continue. How else do you want to get rid of it if it's not widely publicised?
Can you expand on this, Weaste?
This is not more Football Manager influence is it?
I've never played Football Manager in my life, and have no interest in doing so.
As for the outdated part, I don't want to disrupt the thread, I've stated my views on the validity of International Football in general many times before.
The point is that it is old news which is nothing to do with the current bid, compare The Times story which was very much about the current process so could be argued to be worthwhile.
The corruption will continue whether it is highlighted or not - you must be extremely naive if you think otherwise.
15 million quid apparently the FA has spent on this bid. Where do people think that the FA gets this money from in the first place? Yes, off the back of regular football fans, who quite rightly want to know that when the FA is spending their money, it is being spent on a fair and just process, not being pissed in the wind because of corruption and politicking within FIFA.
It's you that is naive. The whole point is to bring the issue into the public domain and embarrass the organisation to the level that it is forced to restructure and be totally transparent. Your desire to have the world cup in England at any cost is clouding your judgement.
Me either. But I figured you must do, as in another convo a few months ago you thought there was little more to football management than picking the players.
I have never read your views on int'l football, suffice to say that if the players are proud to represent their country, who are we to stop them.
And actually on topic, organisations such as the IOC and Fifa are so inherently corrupt, it's sad to see everyone whoring themselves at their feet.
So you think the Panorama programme will shame FIFA into becoming more transparent? Will it feck.
This issue has already been in the public domian, there is nothing new here. If they had new information it would be different - but they didnt. These were just rehashed stories from years ago which have already been investigated 10 years back.
Like I said, The Times story is totally different as it was more relevant.
If I thought it would make any difference then I would say it was worthwhile, but I dont. The only affect will be a negative impact on our bid, which you rightly point out has had £15m of our money spent on it already and possibly now all pissed away due to the Beeb chasing a few tabloid style-ratings.
No I didn't, don't take what I said out of context. I said that there was a difference between being a good coach and a good manager (with responsibility for buying and selling).
What I thought you said was the team Rafa had for in Valencia 3 years was still not his team as he didn't buy the players. Well, you actually did say that, but I obviously misinterpreted it. Somehow.
This is a WC thread - please take your Rafa bollocks elsewhere!
It was more about Football Manager, but point taken.
If the likes of the BBC don't highlight institutional corruption, it will continue unabated ultimately to the detriment of the sport.
Bad timing in the sense that it could well derail England's bid but may do some long term good.
Yes it is the timing of it all that really annoys me - after years of work and pots of money being spent on our bid process, I cant possibly understand the need to show 10 year old infomation just 3 days before the final vote.
I actually can't understand the timing either. If they feel the information needs to be in the public domain, why not wait a week? It's strange.
Very strange - like I said, if it was brand new info that just came to light then I could possibly understand it, but it is mostly very old news.
It is hardly a revelation that FIFA and its bid process is full of politics and corruption - if the Beeb wanted to expose this then why not 2 years ago before the FA went and spunked millions on the bid? Or like you say, just wait a couple of weeks and do it then.
I just find the whole thing very frustrating really.
Edit: Just realised that I am sounding a bit like David Cameron here, which cant be good !
World Cup 2018: David Cameron 'Frustrated' By BBC Panorama Documentary Criticising Fifa | UK News | Sky News
BBC news....along with this.....
It's a long article so I've only taken this extract.
What i reckon our bid team should do is go round all the FIFA Execs and tell them that if they dont vote for England on Thursday then they are going set our tabloid media on them - that'll shit them up!
We know it is all about politics and dodgy dealings so maybe it is about time we got involved in it all
I look at the timing of all this and just think there must be more going on here than we expect - the BBC say they received this info a few weeks ago (I didnt know that to be fair), who sent it to them? Hmmm ...
We know it is all about politics and dodgy dealings so maybe it is about time we got involved in it all
I look at the timing of all this and just think there must be more going on here than we expect - the BBC say they received this info a few weeks ago (I didnt know that to be fair), who sent it to them? Hmmm ...
What does it have to do with the Olympic Committee?
That the IOC should investigate anyone for corruption is farcical
He's also on the IOC, so any thoughts that he should be taking bribes in one puts his integrity under the spotlight.
The same shady bloke is a FIFA Exec and an IOC Member
I think he was the one who told the Panorama reporter that he would spit on him but that it would be a waste of spit (or something to that effect)
Edit: Actually that was Warner ...
The most entertaining encounter was with Jack Warner, who is no stranger to being badgered by reporters, and is David Cameron's lunch guest today. After Jennings accompanied him through an airport, Warner informed the reporter that he would spit on him before changing his mind and informing his pursuer: "I would not dignify you with my spit. You're garbage."
The same shady bloke is a FIFA Exec and an IOC Member
I think he was the one who told the Panorama reporter that he would spit on him but that it would be a waste of spit (or something to that effect)
No, that was Sir Jack of Warner, the most corrupt man on the face of the earth.
The same shady bloke is a FIFA Exec and an IOC Member
I think he was the one who told the Panorama reporter that he would spit on him but that it would be a waste of spit (or something to that effect)
Edit: Actually that was Warner ...
Panorama programme: 'I would not dignify you with my spit. You're garbage' - News & Comment, Football - The IndependentThe most entertaining encounter was with Jack Warner, who is no stranger to being badgered by reporters, and is David Cameron's lunch guest today. After Jennings accompanied him through an airport, Warner informed the reporter that he would spit on him before changing his mind and informing his pursuer: "I would not dignify you with my spit. You're garbage."
Ah right, cheers, missed the documentary. That is a superb line.
My view is summed up by one of the comments after that article:
"To anyone who takes an interest there was absolutely nothing new in the programme which is simply the latest in a pathetic line of attempts to use the profile of football to boost the fortunes of a flagging series (and channel).
Yes Fifa are corrupt but anybody with half a brain knew that before we started bidding
(long,long before!!) so why waste all that time and energy if we didn't want want to deal with them.
It would be bad enough if this own goal had been perpetrated by one of the tabloids but for it to have been done by a publically funded organisation when so much of our money has been spent on the bid borders on criminal."
Yes Fifa are corrupt but anybody with half a brain knew that before we started bidding
(long,long before!!) so why waste all that time and energy if we didn't want want to deal with them.
It would be bad enough if this own goal had been perpetrated by one of the tabloids but for it to have been done by a publically funded organisation when so much of our money has been spent on the bid borders on criminal."
Panaroma's become nothing more than a red top.
You make it sound like a bad thing..
If corruption is that rife within FIFA, then we were never going to get the tournament in the first place, as I can't see the FA giving anyone backhanders. So what's the problem with the timing of it? So much of our money would be down the drain in any case because we never stood a real chance in the first place.
Exactly, and if we had got it then it would be proof of corruption from our lot.
But no, we were capable of getting it without corruption, and only we could.
The votes were decided long ago, all this last minute handshaking and panic is pointless, The England bid died when Lord Triesman or whatever he's called said the Russian and Spainish/portugese bids were bribing. Last nights Panorama, The Times sting will have had no bearing on it whatsoever.
As far as I see it England would have put in a very good bid. We are as near perfect as it gets for holding the WC.
We have the best and most exciting football league in the world, we have all the stadia and infrastructure in place. No travelling problems for fans...won't take them long to travel between cities. We would have virtually guaranteed ticket sales for the matches....providing the tickets go to the appropriate bodies that is. We have ample hotel facilities. We have mild weather giving ideal playing conditions for all teams. We are the home of football.
Some things might need improving but it won't be much. If we lose this bid it won't be because we aren't the best option. If the best option does lose the bid though there's going to be just cause for even more questions to be levelled at FIFA and their selection process.
Maybe the BBC timed this correctly. Showing it after we lost the bid would just have made their programme look like sour grapes. Showing it before the bid results may make FIFA members think twice about the quality of the various bids......as opposed to any other influencing factors.......and vote accordingly.
I can't help but think that if I had taken a bribe for my vote I'd be feeling mighty twitchy about it right now.
We have the best and most exciting football league in the world, we have all the stadia and infrastructure in place. No travelling problems for fans...won't take them long to travel between cities. We would have virtually guaranteed ticket sales for the matches....providing the tickets go to the appropriate bodies that is. We have ample hotel facilities. We have mild weather giving ideal playing conditions for all teams. We are the home of football.
Some things might need improving but it won't be much. If we lose this bid it won't be because we aren't the best option. If the best option does lose the bid though there's going to be just cause for even more questions to be levelled at FIFA and their selection process.
Maybe the BBC timed this correctly. Showing it after we lost the bid would just have made their programme look like sour grapes. Showing it before the bid results may make FIFA members think twice about the quality of the various bids......as opposed to any other influencing factors.......and vote accordingly.
I can't help but think that if I had taken a bribe for my vote I'd be feeling mighty twitchy about it right now.
As an aside, it seems a bit more than coincidence that the BBC should obtain new information about 10 year old corruption with just enough time to investigate and make a program about it before the vote.
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this information actually came from a rival bidder knowing the british media are stupid enough to run with it.
Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if this information actually came from a rival bidder knowing the british media are stupid enough to run with it.
They're(Panaroma) not stupid but sensationalists, and only care about viewing figures...this just happened to be the right time to air the programme.
Don't want the World Cup - FIFA need a serious shake up from top to bottom, and I am not comfortable with the price nations have to pay to make FIFA even more money.