World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

Rooney1987 said:
Henry Winter saying on Twitter Fifa 2018 question quality of English training grounds. Colney? Cobham? Melwood? Bodymoor? Finch Farm? 2 Carringtons? All good
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Because South Korea and South Africa's were top notch before the world cup werent they, god i hate fifa.
 
Russia winning would only be a demonstration of how corrupt FIFA is. It's a country with a thuggish government, suppression of media/journalists, rampant corruption, and serious risks to the safety of players and fans. Why would anyone want to have it there?
 
Sir Matt said:
Russia winning would only be a demonstration of how corrupt FIFA is. It's a country with a thuggish government, suppression of media/journalists, rampant corruption, and serious risks to the safety of players and fans. Why would anyone want to have it there?
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Russia can't be more dangerous than South Africa or Brazil, for what it's worth, so I don't think this is a criteria they give much consideration to.

The rest is irrelevant, FIFA cares mainly about revenues, promotion of football to wider audiences, and giving the World Cup a cosmopolitan feeling, they're not organizing World Cups to promote human rights and civil liberties, nor I think they should.

Which doesn't mean they aren't corrupt, I just don't think the World Cup going to Russia should be direct evidence of that.
 
I don't see any reason why England shouldn't host it in 2018. Excellent facilities. Great league. Great fans. A history in the sport. It will be 52 years in 2018 since England last hosted the WC. On a footballing side I don't see what anyone else could offer that England can't offer.

On the political side though well you know what FIFA are like. And that's the shame.

I don't see England getting it sadly.

When is the vote?
 
How can Russia be determined as 'low risk' when they need to build thirteen stadiums?
 
Berlinknives said:
Maybe because they have a stable large scale engineering infrastructure, armies of workers and half a continent's worth of raw materials. ;)
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Irrespective they need to build them, as opposed to England already having built them - if FIFA are criticising our lack of contractual provision of training grounds you'd like to think Russia's physical lack of stadiums should downgrade their risk assessment entire.

So many countries mess up building infrastructure so you need to take this into account.
 
As someone who would love the World Cup to come to England in 2018 I have a very bad feeling about this bid. As usual we are punished for having an incompetant controlling body, a naive atitude on the neccesity of bribes to buy votes and an investigative journalistic culture of exposing corruption at any cost. At least we can take satisfaction when we lose the vote that we are morally in the right.

Then again, I thought the same with the Olympic bid and that was a disaster wasn't it?
 
Platini offers bid warning

(UKPA) – 7 hours ago

Michel Platini has warned that England's 2018 World Cup bid is more at risk from the British media's years of criticising FIFA rather than recent investigations.

There have been fears that the Sunday Times and BBC Panorama probes into the world governing body have damaged England's bid but Platini, UEFA president and a FIFA vice-president, said the problem is a long-standing one.

Platini told The Independent: "I don't think it's a problem. These investigations are just people doing their job, no? If they (the England bid) do not have a good feeling about FIFA, that's nothing to do with these investigations, but that comes from what the English press have been writing about FIFA for very many years. That could be a problem for the bid. But this? No."

Platini also believes most of the 22 FIFA executive committee members who will vote on the 2018 and 2022 World Cup hosts on December 2 have already made up their mind, and added: "Anyway, I think people have already decided which way they are voting."

Six officials were banned on Friday for between one and four years for a number of offences resulting out of the Sunday Times investigation.

Nigeria's Amos Adamu became the first FIFA member ever to be banned for bribery - he was suspended for three years.
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So Platini thinks that the media's negative press about FIFA may affect England's bid.

Each WC bid should surely be judged on it's merits and the facilities it can provide shouldn't it. When Platini speaks out and says that the bid may be affected by the press attitude to FIFA then we must question whether or not FIFA are indeed looking at each of the bids on merit.

FIFA might be "miffed" at the English media but this should have no bearing on the quality of the bids.....unless of course FIFA had previously stipulated that the press attitude of each bidding country would be a factor for consideration in the voting.

If England do happen to lose a very good bid for suspected "negative media" reasons then FIFA are very likely to be on the receiving end of even more negative press and even more undercover investigations.

They could be knocking on Sepp's door sooner than we had hoped.
 
That's not what he's saying at all. He's saying English people do not have a good feeling about FIFA because they are under the mistaken belief that FIFA are against them, because the media has reported that FIFA are against them for very many years.
 
I'm going to be blunt here, I'd rather us not get it yet, we need to sort out our youth infrastructure before inviting the eyes of the world on our country's football.

In this I would rather us not get it for another reason, more execs will be found to be corrupt (which we all know they are anyway) hopefully to the point where *someone* decided enough is enough and starts a fresh.
 
I'd be shocked if England got it. Even before the media allegations, there has always been a clique(s) within FIFA that has an agenda, an agenda to make money(we don't do bribery and corruption), and an agenda to take the WC anywhere but England(Jack Warner and his puppets anybody?). England were never going to outbid the Russians or out-romance the Latin bid. The ST investigation and publication has only made the possibility of hosting 2018 more remote than it already was.

Sad really that greed and ulterior motives dictate the destination of WC's rather than fulfilling the criteria and providing the best bid.
 
phelans shorts said:
I'm going to be blunt here, I'd rather us not get it yet, we need to sort out our youth infrastructure before inviting the eyes of the world on our country's football.

In this I would rather us not get it for another reason, more execs will be found to be corrupt (which we all know they are anyway) hopefully to the point where *someone* decided enough is enough and starts a fresh.
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If we don't get it this time we can't get it until 2030.
 
phelans shorts said:
I'm going to be blunt here, I'd rather us not get it yet, we need to sort out our youth infrastructure before inviting the eyes of the world on our country's football.

In this I would rather us not get it for another reason, more execs will be found to be corrupt (which we all know they are anyway) hopefully to the point where *someone* decided enough is enough and starts a fresh.
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Would be nice to think that the expose of corruption will help to change FIFA but it wont - it will always be full of cnuts unfortunately. Which is why all the crap from our media is even more pointless.


phelans shorts said:
When is the panorama show aired?
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3 days before the World Cup vote on Dec 2nd - absolutely ridiculous timing in my opinion :wenger:

BBC Sport - Football - Fifa vice-president Warner attacks BBC investigation

Warner is a cnut to be fair - I'd be all for making him a look dick but why the feck they couldnt wait until Dec 3rd, I really dont know
 
Rood said:
Would be nice to think that the expose of corruption will help to change FIFA but it wont - it will always be full of cnuts unfortunately. Which is why all the crap from our media is even more pointless.
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We live in hope, there was no positive once we knew about it (by we I mean our press) no matter when they release it FIFA would be likely to attack us by any means, including removing our hosting rights on some tiny technicality that we all know is bullshit, all in the name of corrupt revenge (including accusations of the bid being corrupt.

3 days before the World Cup vote on Dec 2nd - absolutely ridiculous timing in my opinion :wenger:

BBC Sport - Football - Fifa vice-president Warner attacks BBC investigation

Warner is a cnut to be fair - I'd be all for making him a look dick but why the feck they couldnt wait until Dec 3rd, I really dont know
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So next Monday?

As I say no matter what no good can come of exposing them, the only point that would have no effect is too late for a new host to be found or after the games, which would be against the press' prerogative.
 
BBC Sport - Football - David Dein calls for England 2018 World Cup bid support

England's World Cup 2018 international president David Dein has told BBC Sport the bid team needs the country behind it ahead of the 2 December vote.

England 2018 fears there could be a backlash against the bid from Fifa members unhappy with the British media.

Dein said: "We are at a critical time, everybody is working full out to try to get the World Cup back to England."

Meanwhile Fifa vice-president Jack Warner has criticised a BBC Panorama programme being broadcast on Monday.

The programme will examine the bidding to stage the 2018 World Cup.

Last week England 2018 leaders branded the BBC "unpatriotic" for screening the investigation so close to the vote.

The documentary will be broadcast three days before the vote, and Warner said it was "deliberately designed to negatively impact" on England's bid.

Warner, whose vote is seen as crucial to England's hopes, claims the programme is "a personal vendetta".

BBC Panorama responded by saying: "Panorama has a reputation for strong, independent and probing investigative journalism. The findings of the Panorama investigation into Fifa will be in the public interest."

However Dein told the BBC the bid was still on track despite the media furore.

He said: "We're in it to win it and hopefully we'll get a good result. We need the country behind us."

England's bid team has dispatched envoys across the world this week in a final effort to secure votes ahead of the vote on who will stage the World Cup in 2018 and 2022....
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I hope these envoys are carrying big brown envolopes - that is the only language that is going to persuade the FIFA voters to come back on our side !
 
Spain-Portugal view of bidding does nothing to dispel fears over collusion.

The Spain-Portugal World Cup bid broke their habitual silence on Tuesday to remind England of the challenge they face if they are to stage the 2018 tournament.

By Paul Kelso
23 Nov 2010

In a frank interview, bid chief executive Miguel Angel Lopez said he was "moderately confident" of winning on Dec 2, and predicted that his bid could count on eight votes, drawn largely from Latin America and Asia.

Lopez's comments will fuel the persistent suspicion that the Iberian bid has struck a mutually beneficial deal with Qatar to trade votes and influence in the 2018 and 2022 races.

Lopez told Bloomberg that he could count on support from "our natural territory" in South America and that he did not expect any Europeans, bar Spanish executive committee member Angel Maria Villar Llona, to vote for them.

If his comments did little to dispel suspicions of collusion, they also cast further doubt on the effectiveness of Fifa's investigation. Lopez said he received an email from a Fifa compliance officer at the start of last month asking for assistance, but a week later was told it was not necessary.

He also indicated that the last few days of lobbying were unlikely to affect Spain's position. "All the fish is sold," he said, employing an aphorism Rafael Benítez would be proud of.

With one or two votes likely to make the difference, England had better hope Spain's bid is sleeping with the fishes rather than counting them. If Lopez is right, however, Spain are guaranteed to make the final round of voting.


World Cup 2018: Spain-Portugal view of bidding does nothing to dispel fears over collusion - Telegraph
 
Conmebol is apparently supporting Spain/Portugal. I'd guess that means Concacaf will support England. Too bad Russia never really had any colonies.
 
Sir Matt said:
Conmebol is apparently supporting Spain/Portugal. I'd guess that means Concacaf will support England. Too bad Russia never really had any colonies.
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The old Soviet block were basically Russian colonies.
 
President Clinton is Honorary Chairman for the USA Bid Committee for FIFA World Cup 2022.

This past summer I joined thousands of fans in the stands of the Royal Bafokeng Stadium in Rustenburg, South Africa, to watch as the United States faced a strong Ghana team during the round of 16 at the FIFA World Cup.

I had changed my schedule to attend the game, following an exhilarating U.S. win over Algeria in the first round. Even though Ghana defeated the U.S., I was proud of our team. They played well and fought to the very end.

I'm always amazed by the game's powerful, unifying force. For 30 days, fans from all nations put aside their differences to embrace a shared love for a game that has been bringing people together for generations.

In 1994, when I was president, it was a great thrill to sit in the stands at Soldier Field in Chicago with more than 67,000 enthusiastic fans, including German chancellor Helmut Kohl and the president of Bolivia, Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada, in the opening game of the World Cup.

It was the first time -- and so far, the last time -- that World Cup games were played on American soil. I'm trying to change that by serving as the Honorary Chairman of the USA Bid Committee to bring the World Cup back in 2022.

The bid could not come at a better time for the game of soccer, the United States and the world. First, the level of enthusiasm for the game has never been greater across America. Thanks in good part to the opportunity FIFA gave us to host the games in 1994, we have become a nation of footballers, young and old. The last 16 years have seen the creation of the MLS professional league, an expansion of the game's United States fan base to more than 90 million and now a roster of four million registered youth players. Last summer our passion for the sport extended beyond our borders: The United States was second only to South Africa in tickets purchased for the 2010 World Cup.

Second, our nation, like the game, is more diverse than ever before. We have a fascinating mix of ethnicities and cultures within our borders. Players from every competing nation would feel as though they were playing a home game right here in the United States.

Third, this is an important moment for the future of the game of soccer. Our bid promises not only to uphold the great legacy of the World Cup but also to advance global growth by creating new opportunities for the world's soccer economy, including greater television and sponsorship rights, increased franchise and team values and greater investment in player development.

Last, and perhaps most important, our bid will mobilize American citizens and citizens around the globe to do more to address the economic, social and environmental challenges facing our world in the 21st century. If awarded the opportunity, we will use the 2022 World Cup as a platform to assist those less fortunate and promote environmental sustainability in line with the United Nations' Millennium Development Goals. For example, a percentage of every ticket sold at the 2022 World Cup will go to the World Cup of Life campaign, a project aimed at providing drinking water for millions in the developing world. Additionally, as hosts, we would set new standards in environmental responsibility by minimizing the footprint of the event in six core areas: water, waste, energy, transportation, procurement and climate change.

In our interdependent world we have to change our theory of success from a zero-sum game, where one team has to win while the other must lose. It's good for sports, and makes for great World Cup matches, but it's wrong for the world. We need to build a world with more winners.

Our bid will do just that. In 1988 FIFA had the foresight to recognize the potential of the United States. Twenty-two years later, we are ready to demonstrate to the world how much more the United States has to offer and how far our nation is willing to go to deliver an outstanding tournament. If the United States is selected to host the FIFA World Cup, we will be extremely privileged -- and ready -- to honor the sport of soccer and all that it represents for the fan, for the game and for the world.

President Clinton is Honorary Chairman, USA Bid Committee for FIFA World Cup 2022. He will be part of the USA presentation delegation on Dec. 1 in Zurich. On Dec. 2 FIFA will announce the host nations for the 2018 and 2022 World Cups.


Read more: Bill Clinton on why the U.S. should be awarded 2022 World Cup - SI.com - Magazine
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Clinton on 2022
 
My guess at where votes go for 2018.

President

Joseph S. Blatter Switzerland Russia

Senior Vice-President

Julio Grondona Argentina Spain/Portugal

Vice-Presidents

Issa Hayatou Cameroon
Chung Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime Joon South Korea England?
Jack Warner Trinidad and Tobago Russia
Ángel María Villar Spain Spain/Portugal
Michel Platini France Spain/Portugal
Reynald Temarii Tahiti Banned
Geoff Thompson England England

Members

Michel D'Hooghe Belgium Netherlands/Belgium
Ricardo Terra Teixeira Brazil Portugal/Spain
Mohammed Bin Hammam Qatar Spain/Portugal
Senes Erzik Turkey Russia
Chuck Blazer United States of America England
Nicolas Leoz Paraguay Portugal/Spain
Worawi Makudi Thailand England?
Junji Ogura Japan Whoever will vote for them/England?
Amos Adamu Nigeria Banned
Marios Lefkaritis Cyprus England
Jacques Anouma Ivory Coast Maybe England
Franz Beckenbauer Germany England
Rafael Salguero Guatemala Spain/Portugal
Hany Abo Rida Egypt Russia
Vitaly Mutko Russia Russia

General Secretary

Jerome Valcke France No idea

England 6-8
Russia 6-8
Spain/Portugal 6-7
Netherlands/Belgium 1-2

This is my non-scientific, strictly gut-feeling of how the voting could turn out.
 
The Press Association: Big guns head for Zurich

Five former England internationals will join Prince William, David Cameron and David Beckham as part of the England 2018 delegation in Zurich next week.

Sir Bobby Charlton, Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer, Andy Cole and John Barnes were named as part of the 30-strong delegation along with England manager Fabio Capello.

England chief executive Andy Anson said: "We have said throughout the process that this bid has the backing of the whole country and the nature of this line-up confirms that point. Next week is clearly critical because it is our last chance to convince the FIFA executive committee members who are voting that England should be their choice for 2018."

He added: "We will be campaigning and working right up to the very last minute and the strength and support we have within this travelling party gives us the best possible chance to deliver our message, strongly and passionately for one final time."

England 2018 legacy ambassadors Kadra Ege, founder of Brent Ladies FC, and Eddie Afekafe, who works in the Manchester City 'Football in the Community' programme, will also be in Zurich to focus attention on England's international legacy plans.
 
I really hope England gets the WC in 2018. Financially it's really realistic for me to go but that aside they just really deserve it. Been way to long since last time and you have great atmo and stadiums for it.

I hope USA get's it 2022. They really know how to host huge events and the whole country lights up when these sort of things go on. They also have great stadiums. Actually there's no other country in the world with stadiums compared to theirs.
 
Snow said:
I really hope England gets the WC in 2018. Financially it's really realistic for me to go but that aside they just really deserve it. Been way to long since last time and you have great atmo and stadiums for it.

I hope USA get's it 2022. They really know how to host huge events and the whole country lights up when these sort of things go on. They also have great stadiums. Actually there's no other country in the world with stadiums compared to theirs.
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So far it looks like the voters are leaning more towards the Spain/Portugal bid. Qatar are voting for Spain/Portugal as long as they vote for Qatar 2022.
 
I just hope Qatar don't get 2022, it'd be the biggest farce in the history of sports.

This is a country with just over 1 million population, averages 40C in the Summer, never ever got anywhere near qualifying for the world cup, do not have and do not need 12 stadia of 40k+ capacity.

But they have oil...
 
I don't think Portugal should get it, as they had Euro's in 2004. Other countries deserves to have a big championship too.
 
Cal? said:
I just hope Qatar don't get 2022, it'd be the biggest farce in the history of sports.

This is a country with just over 1 million population, averages 40C in the Summer, never ever got anywhere near qualifying for the world cup, do not have and do not need 12 stadia of 40k+ capacity.

But they have oil...
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Well that's elitism at it's finest, why shouldn't they have the chance to host it?

They can afford stadia transport etc... Over 12 years.
 
phelans shorts said:
Well that's elitism at it's finest, why shouldn't they have the chance to host it?

They can afford stadia transport etc... Over 12 years.
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As I've already pointed out, they have never ever got even close to qualifying for the WC. This is quite an important point, whilst it's acceptable to have hosts like S Africa who aren't very good, but at least stand a chance of qualifying for the 2nd round and do not make a complete fool of themselves in the tournament.

Qatar being seeded as hosts will ensure 1 WC group that is completely terrible (esp since other seeds cannot be drawn against them). I will be surprised if they even manage a goal in the group, never mind getting a point.

The average temperature in the WC month is about 40C, you can air condition the stadia, but you cannot air condition the whole country!
 
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