World Cup 2018 & 2022 bids

Just pointing out that Japan (before being given the rights) were already at a decent level.

Qatar are nowhere near.

Imagine the same teams as this years WC qualified as 2022. We could have a group containing:

Qatar (pot 1)
North Korea
Algeria
Greece

That would make it such an exciting group.

Groups like that are often more exciting than the "big teams" who just aren't interested at that stage.
 
I'm trying to see the positives for taking it to Qatar. There's plenty of political and cultural positives, hopefully it will bring the west and the middle east closer together.

Football wise though it just does not make sense whatsoever. And last time I looked this is the football world cup that we're talking about.

Hopefully in decades to come we'll look back and see that the positives far outweighed the negatives. But as an Australia, I do feel a bit sick in the gut at the moment.

It makes no sense to anyone except the 11 who voted for them.
 
Don't know why this is the case though - it's a good thing all round. You need to play good teams to get better.

Whilst Japan & Korea might be happy with better competition, the rest of the Asian countries see it as stealing one of their places. The fact New Zealand also made it has made even more people upset.

AFC has 4.5 places, for the foreseeable future, it'd be everyone competing for those 1.5 spots with Australia, Japan & Korea virtual shoe-ins.
 
The USA can no longer NOT be classified as a footballing nation. They had the second largest fan turnouts at world cups for god knows how many tournaments. They have a proffessional league that averages 30,000 a game, and footy is played in practically every city by many different people. It's there from grass roots to collegiate to proffesional and once they produce their first true homegrown world class talent I expect it will grow even more and start to overtake some of the traditional USA sports.

MLS average attendance last season was 16,675. We still ahve a long way to go. Soccer get's very little media attention here except when the USA is doing good in a World Cup. We are going in the right direction but we are a long way from a soccer nation.
 
It should have been obvious that something was wrong when Japan and Korea were allowed to bid for 2022. Didn't someone in FIFA say to them - "You've only just fecking had it!"?
 
The USA can no longer NOT be classified as a footballing nation.

Aye, people put too much emphasis on the fact it's not the biggest sport in the country. But it's quite big and if you compare it to some smaller countries in which football is number 1, it's huge.
 
Whilst Japan & Korea might be happy with better competition, the rest of the Asian countries see it as stealing one of their places. The fact New Zealand also made it has made even more people upset.

Stupid. No point getting to the World Cup and getting thrashed.

Go there to win it, as one of United's captains said!
 
MLS average attendance last season was 16,675. We still ahve a long way to go. Soccer get's very little media attention here except when the USA is doing good in a World Cup. We are going in the right direction but we are a long way from a soccer nation.

And you can thank Toronto FC for boosting those numbers. Probably.
 
I never claimed that they were a footballing nation.

By applying your logic, another non-footballing nation deserves the world cup, as USA hosted it in 94, what about Yemen, they clearly deserve it.

You didn't say much about Quatar, but surely your logic for how Russia deserves it applies to Quatar and other countries as well ?

Well, at some point in the future Yemen may be able host it.

As for USA 1994 tournament, developed infrastructure aside, it was a political decision to choose the States, made with a view to popularize the sport in North America.

I didn't say anything about Quatar because I don't know anything about their bid. Russia, on the other hand, has the pedigree and resources to host the tournament in a part of the world that has been overlooked throughout the World Cup history.
 

Pretty cool really... apart from the heat....


The other thing about the Qatar bid is that they will also have the next 6 years of yet to be invented scientific and engineering science to use within the construction of its stadia. The solar Air Con technology they talk about already exists .... its what will be invented in the next decade that will improve even this current technology,

The Qatar world cup will be an amazing festival of engineering science and these discoveries will have a huge knock on effect to people living in the region. Its an exciting and genuinely innovative bid and will contribute to the world far more than if the tournament had been hosted in the USA for example.
 
It should have been obvious that something was wrong when Japan and Korea were allowed to bid for 2022. Didn't someone in FIFA say to them - "You've only just fecking had it!"?

Err.. Mexico hosted 2 within 16 years.
 
I'm trying to see the positives for taking it to Qatar. There's plenty of political and cultural positives, hopefully it will bring the west and the middle east closer together.

Football wise though it just does not make sense whatsoever. And last time I looked this is the football world cup that we're talking about.

Hopefully in decades to come we'll look back and see that the positives far outweighed the negatives. But as an Australia, I do feel a bit sick in the gut at the moment.

yeah, I feel sorry about that. Australia would have been a great venue and done an amazing job.
 
Stupid. No point getting to the World Cup and getting thrashed.

Go there to win it, as one of United's captains said!

Got to get better then.

Vietnam will eventually overtake one of those 3 I think. They'll be very good in about 20 years.

I'm not saying it's a problem, just given you my impression of the general Asian sentiment over Australia's move.

The one Asian country whom I "support" happen to be one of the three.

As for Vietnam, they were very impressive earlier today, winning 7-1 against Myanmar, but they have a long long way to go to even get to Japan or Korea's level. Those nations now have quite a few players who star in the top European leagues.
 
Some stadiums are going to be built in places where the entire local population can fit into them.

The entire middle east will flood into Qatar for the tournament, you can be sure of that ... as will any fans from abroad. I have no doubt that the tournament in Qatar will have more than enough fans.
 
Ah no, you'll be able to drink in the "fan zones" at £20 a pop.

Party!

If been to Dubai in the summer, the place completely shuts down during the day, restaurants close outdoor tables during the day despite being shaded with air con, people walk around with umbrellas to keep the sun off them because the heat is so incredible.
 
The entire middle east will flood into Qatar for the tournament, you can be sure of that ... as will any fans from abroad. I have no doubt that the tournament in Qatar will have more than enough fans.

Talk about missing the fecking point!

What do they do with them afterwards, turn them into open air mosques and pray in them?
 
That was only because Colombia had to pull out as hosts for the 1986 WC when they had already been chosen.

Well, I think they both just wanted to get in a bid before China shows interest, but Qatar has really put a spanner in everything.

If Fifa don't change the rules again, or a AFC split-up, China can't get one till 2034.
 
When was the last world cup with Old stadiums being used? France 98?

Genuinley I think a lot of European fans would want to come to England more than most countries, In the same way as I'd love to go to the bernabau, the san siro, the nou camp, parc de princes etc.... European fans would love to go to Wembley, Old Trafford, The Emirates, Anfield to see thier own countries play.
 
Sickening. We were so cautiously hopeful and most agreed we were one of the best bids, but just 1 vote? Ridiculous.

We weren't. FIFA were never going to give it, their panel said we were the least profitable of all the bidding nations. Plus the fact that our backyard, didn't support us didn't help.
 
I'm about ready to throw my toys out of the pram over this, I hope Blatter gets Kidney stones. On a separate issue can I just take this opportunity to thank China for giving the world football, talk about twisting the knife.
 
when was the last world cup with old stadiums being used? France 98?

Genuinley i think a lot of european fans would want to come to england more than most countries, in the same way as i'd love to go to the bernabau, the san siro, the nou camp, parc de princes etc.... European fans would love to go to wembley, old trafford, the emirates, anfield to see thier own countries play.

2006...some of the stadiums were simply upgraded, Berlin's Olympic Stadium being one.
 
Talk about missing the fecking point!

What do they do with them afterwards, turn them into open air mosques and pray in them?

Mate they'll be torn down and rebuilt in poorer nations. It was in the written bid.

Or that's the plan at least...maybe they'll use them for Public floggings/stonings/hangings
 
I know, but they didn't want to be shamed by being the only nation to be there by virtue of paying for the party. So they pulled out all the stops and produced a team good enough to be there on merit.

Well exactly - it gives countries the impetus to spend money on improving their game. The original point was saying that only countries who have qualified for the WC should be allowed to host and I didnt agree with that.