Serious Thread: The Liverpool Situation
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
That would give Dalglish just enough time to crack under the pressure and start crying in the corner of the dressing room.
If they are going to replace Woy then they'll have to get in someone good, and that will mean giving him money to build his own team. Better to do that now than writing off another half season (if they believe Woy is a busted flush, that is).
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Harry's taking the pissEasy. If players are not to be blamed, then it's the manager. If not manager, then it's the board/owners. And lastly, it's the fans.
In my opinion, they have the players. Maybe just lacking motivation (and momentum) and the right kind of tactic. If you put Gerrard and Torres in Sunderland or Bolton, they can definitely fight for UCL's spot year in, year out.
In my opinion, they have the players. Maybe just lacking motivation (and momentum) and the right kind of tactic. If you put Gerrard and Torres in Sunderland or Bolton, they can definitely fight for UCL's spot year in, year out.
The season is already a write off for my mind. What can we aim for? Europa League? Wouldn't be too bothered if we missed out this year as it can just be a pain when you're trying to rebuild.
If the owners have got any sense they'll try and get a couple of the talented youngsters being watched by half of Europe on board before biding their time and getting a young talented manager for the long term, not just some old scrote like MON. Just don't give Woy any say in the players brought in until they find his replacement.
If the owners have got any sense they'll try and get a couple of the talented youngsters being watched by half of Europe on board before biding their time and getting a young talented manager for the long term, not just some old scrote like MON. Just don't give Woy any say in the players brought in until they find his replacement.
Like who? From the bit I've seen of him and the fact he's said he wants to move someone like Santon would be a perfect fit for you, presuming he'd sign, that is.
It's a fine line between success and nothing....you think back a few seasons, though Liverpool were'nt challenging for the title, they were perennial fixtures in the UCL and got to finals in '05 and '07.
They then fail to land Garry Barry, yet Alonso has a super season for them in '08 & '09 and they miss out on the Premier League, by what ? two points ? after having b*mmed us at OT 4-1 also.
One of two things can happen to a team that misses out on their first title for eons by a thin margin....you can either go again , and push on ( like we had to do after Leeds pipped us in 1991/92 ) , or you can wallow in the disappointment.
Regardless of the boardroom unrest at that time, I feel the Liverpool's players' reaction to missing out on the title in the season following '08/09 showed that they had'nt recovered mentally from the disappointment.
They were out of the title race in no time flat, quickly followed by their exit from the UCL in the Group stages...... and they have'nt recovered from that yet.
They're not the first team that has happened to either and won't be the last....
in 1985/86 we started like a house on fire with ten wins out of ten, nice lead in the title race and that was going to be "our year"......we fell away badly, Liverpool went on to win the double. The following season, United were near the bottom of the table and 'Big Ron' gets the boot and in comes Fergie......
You can't over-estimate the effects missing out closely on the top prize(s) on a group of players...and it's a testament to Fergie how he can freshen it up and get the players to 'go again' season after season, even after seasons where we have missed out.
They'll need some decent fresh blood to get back on course.....
In the mean time though, it will still be a hell of a hard game for us at gitside
They then fail to land Garry Barry, yet Alonso has a super season for them in '08 & '09 and they miss out on the Premier League, by what ? two points ? after having b*mmed us at OT 4-1 also.
One of two things can happen to a team that misses out on their first title for eons by a thin margin....you can either go again , and push on ( like we had to do after Leeds pipped us in 1991/92 ) , or you can wallow in the disappointment.
Regardless of the boardroom unrest at that time, I feel the Liverpool's players' reaction to missing out on the title in the season following '08/09 showed that they had'nt recovered mentally from the disappointment.
They were out of the title race in no time flat, quickly followed by their exit from the UCL in the Group stages...... and they have'nt recovered from that yet.
They're not the first team that has happened to either and won't be the last....
in 1985/86 we started like a house on fire with ten wins out of ten, nice lead in the title race and that was going to be "our year"......we fell away badly, Liverpool went on to win the double. The following season, United were near the bottom of the table and 'Big Ron' gets the boot and in comes Fergie......
You can't over-estimate the effects missing out closely on the top prize(s) on a group of players...and it's a testament to Fergie how he can freshen it up and get the players to 'go again' season after season, even after seasons where we have missed out.
They'll need some decent fresh blood to get back on course.....
In the mean time though, it will still be a hell of a hard game for us at gitside
Yep, the season is a write off but we still need shot of Hodgson sooner rather than later. If we do, we might a least have a puncher's chance of holding on to Torres and Reina. Lose them and the rebuilding job becomes a lot more prolonged and arduous.
the difference being that there are weird headed tards walking around Liverpool before the bomb
I've had a fair few discussions with my Liverpool supporting friend about what on earth is wrong with the club and how they could fix it. We came to the conclusion that although Hodgeson seemed like the ideal man to stabilize the club, he's really not cut out to be a top level manager.
Negative football and poor efforts into the transfer market (Poulsen especially).
I suggested the whole sell Torres for £40m+ and rebuild your squad with that money but he argued and I agreed. If Liverpool lost Torres, their star player it would seriously diminish the ability of the club to attract the kind of player's they'd need to rebuild their side. As they have no Champions League status to help them attract the finest in Europe. They don't have the money to make up for their lack of success(unlike city) or CL status (Spurs). Therefore the only real reason for a player to join Liverpool at the moment is to play alongside the likes of Torres and Gerrard (Reina is class too but no player desperately wants to play alongside a world class keeper).
Realistically what they need to do is sell some of the dross and replace it with quality. Chelsea have proven that you can get away with a relatively small squad if your starting 11 is good enough. If they sold the mediocre players and invested abit of money as well, they could make so decent buy's and then bring through some youth to provide squad depth.
They also need a manager who knows how to play attacking and counter-attacking football.
Negative football and poor efforts into the transfer market (Poulsen especially).
I suggested the whole sell Torres for £40m+ and rebuild your squad with that money but he argued and I agreed. If Liverpool lost Torres, their star player it would seriously diminish the ability of the club to attract the kind of player's they'd need to rebuild their side. As they have no Champions League status to help them attract the finest in Europe. They don't have the money to make up for their lack of success(unlike city) or CL status (Spurs). Therefore the only real reason for a player to join Liverpool at the moment is to play alongside the likes of Torres and Gerrard (Reina is class too but no player desperately wants to play alongside a world class keeper).
Realistically what they need to do is sell some of the dross and replace it with quality. Chelsea have proven that you can get away with a relatively small squad if your starting 11 is good enough. If they sold the mediocre players and invested abit of money as well, they could make so decent buy's and then bring through some youth to provide squad depth.
They also need a manager who knows how to play attacking and counter-attacking football.
I doubt they'd get a first pick halfway through the season. King Kenny would get them playing with a bit of pride and hold the fort until the Messiah comes in summer (Deschamps the fav).
I'm not overly impressed with him. Obviously my hopes are slightly unrealistic but if we can get anyone of Lukaku, Hazard, Sanchez I'd cream my knickers and it would be a fantastic show of power and commitment from the owners. We're probably more likely to get NZogbia, Wickham and Ashley Young though.
it will not be up to Liverpool if Torres is sold or not. Torres will want to leave a club that has lost its way...and he won't have the patience to 'wait and see' with another manager.
He wants to win things in a quality team.
You have little chance of holding onto Torres. The only reason he's still around is because he was injured for so long and looked like shit in the wc.
The article on the previous page is a perfect example of Liverpools problem, Dalgleish Keegan Rush etc were two decades ago.......to be honest the phrase "liverpool players" is more likely to conjure up the likes of Robbie Keane, John Scales, Patrick Berger and Sean Dundee. Before you start dreaming about world class players, they need to realise that frankly, they a midtable side and build accordingly to EARN their place at the top instead of harping on about history and what they deserve.
That's fair.
I'll happily admit that Gerrard looked good against United and Chelsea, games I actually watched. Rather than halfheartedly watched or had playing in the background and looked at when the commentator sounded excited, or ones I watched for the last ten minutes of a tight game - which is when I didn't see the Gerrard of old.
I guess that's worse in a way. I don't see the threat or the challenge any more in the team, so I don't watch them with the same kind of attention, and if Gerrard could still do a good job in a good team, then it's an even worse waste of talent than I thought.
Rumours and articles suggesting Roy's days are numbered and FSG has told him as much. Might also have been asked to resign but refusing ala his Blackburn days. So we'll be kicking him out as soon as the owners can get a manager interested in the job.
God let it be sooner than later, though won't have much impact on the rest of our season anyway. Its not as though we were going to finish top 4 even with Rafa in charge.
God let it be sooner than later, though won't have much impact on the rest of our season anyway. Its not as though we were going to finish top 4 even with Rafa in charge.
just cannot let go of rafa can ya 
I thought Deschamps was approached this summer and said 'no ta'?
just cannot let go of rafa can ya
As others will know on here, this doesn't apply to me.
anyone think Martin O'Neal will get the job?
Stephen Staunton being appointed would really please me, ex player and all that.
Correct. Doesn't stop the rumours though.
What a load of bollocks as per usual. & to think I'm being accused of being selective.
What about the 5-1 thrashing of Newcastle at St James Park. Or our 1-0 victory against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in the league. Followed up by a 2-0 win at Anfield later on in the season. How about our 2-1 win against your lads, despite us giving you a 1-0 lead at Anfield.
We finished on 86 points that season because we had a very good side. Players like Reina, Hypia, Agger, Carragher, Gerrard, Alonso, Arbeloa, Torres, Mascherano, Kuyt, Aurelio. All of them played at the top of their game for most of that season. Then throw in the excellent form of Benayoun & Reira, along with some very good performances from Babel & Insua.
You're the same guy who tries to pass off our 2005 CL win as a fluke. Yet you somehow fail to grasp the fact that we came very close to doing it again 2 years later.
Benitez was sacked because he failed to build on the 2009 season. I don't have a problem with that, because that's the price you pay when you're managing a club like Liverpool. You & a few others on here can try & hide behind your opinions that everything that Rafa did was shit, & the good bits were down to luck. But it's laughable to suggest that our players looking more like zombies from a 'Night of the living dead' movie is down to a guy who left the club nearly 6 months ago - Our previous manager left behind a top 7 side. Nothing more, nothing less. The fact that Roy Hodgson looks & performs like a school janitor that's been asked to teach quantum physics is not really Rafa's fault is it ?
If I were you I wouldn't bother wasting so much energy responding to people who put a complex problem down to the simple reason that 'It was all Rafa's fault' (if that is indeed what the individual did say). Your team is not top class, but it's not rubbish either. It's a team full of some very good internationals. Yes, the heart was ripped out of the midfield but it is still a fairly decent squad is underachieving greatly.
Yes, Benitez didn't leave the team in a great state but also yes, Hodgson has done a rubbish job.
It seems what NESV are doing are worse now.
Essentially leaking it to the press that they will sack Hodgson but they won't yet because they can't find a suitable replacement.
A dead-man manager? When does that ever happen? Usually you just sack the bloke and put in caretaker.
This must be even more unhealthy method of handling the situation.
Essentially leaking it to the press that they will sack Hodgson but they won't yet because they can't find a suitable replacement.
A dead-man manager? When does that ever happen? Usually you just sack the bloke and put in caretaker.
This must be even more unhealthy method of handling the situation.
If they have leaked this, then I agree. But who knows.
I hope they bring Rafa back that would be hilarious
it would be more hilarious to keep roy.
Calm down redman you joke. Highlight all the one-off games you want. 08/09 was the exception, not the rule. You got a shit load in your favour, and still fecked it up because of Rafa.
The rot started under Rafa and Roy has utterly failed to stop it.
Meanwhile Rafa got to work his magic at Inter, and has made them uncompetitive in a league they should win with their eyes closed.
Move on. You're like a lovesick teenager. The truth is both managers have done a number on you, and that's why you're where you are.
What part of Redman saying he doesn't have a problem with Benitez being sacked did you fail to understand, Red?
In your haste to engage in petty spats with oppo fans on this board, you often miss the point.
Happy New Year.
What makes you think they leaked it to the press? Given our run of results at the latest loss, stories of Hodgeson being lined up for a firing doesn't need to be leaked to appear.
Becuse it's just a pointless disclaimer to prevent himself from being labelled a Rafa fanboy.
Terribly transparent though. Redman's position is clear enough, from this thread and others.
Happy New Year.
some very good points.
I have never said rafa was a total waste. think he is a good coach....an awful manager though.
but he like many others fell against the fortress that is Alex Ferguson. (his rant proved that)
That is fair enough...but by making himself a victim...by washing the dirty linen in public about the owners...and hiding behind the fans. That was just cowardice.
Basically he showed his lack of character.
He will not come back. Takes courage to do that. He does not have it.
I feel so happy for Roy Hodgson. This should ease the pressure off him for awhile... Liverpool fans need to understand that it didn't matter who took over the reins, because whoever got the job needs time to regenerate and lift the team from top to bottom.
I like your username.