A people's Revolution

I said right at the beginning of this thread that tourism will survive, however to say that it won't be affected and to use a fifty year old example as proof of that is ridiculous when the British Government has a travel warning out on Tunisia.

Again you're missing a fundamental point - Cuba's tourism industry hasn't only just blossomed. It's an industry that's being going strong since the 60s, in fact had it not been so prominent then Uncle Sam's embargo would have had the entire Island on its knees.

I wouldn't read too much into the British government's 'safety warning' either - they're probably just a little bitter that they've lost a neoliberal ally in an otherwise hostile region.
 
Again you're missing a fundamental point - Cuba's tourism industry hasn't only just blossomed. It's an industry that's being going strong since the 60s, in fact had it not been so prominent then Uncle Sam's embargo would have had the entire Island on its knees.

I wouldn't read too much into the British government's 'safety warning' either - they're probably just a little bitter that they've lost a neoliberal ally in an otherwise hostile region.

It doesn't matter when it blossomed, we are talking about comparing a past event and a present event - they are not compatible because of that.

Only someone always suspicious of what western governments do would think that way, anyone who is rational would warn their citizens to stay away from a country where law and order is being overthrown, where the police are unable to protect you as they have no control over public order if things become sour - or do you not believe the deliberate release of hundreds of prisoners is a threat to safety?
 

I read that few hours earlier and I can say it's full of crap

I like how CNN ignored the issue completely for a month and then decided to start posting "knowledgeable ,experienced" opinions that only serve to maintain the ignorant wrong view of what's going on in the middle east.

This article is very shallow and very wrong. And yes the Army is taking hold for now because Ben ALi's men and forces are still trying heir ways. Tunisians want the army to deal with the critical next dys, but Tunisia won't be a military state anymore ,God's willing. The army in Tunis don't care about ruling and you will see. And even if they do, the people will walk back to the streets.


P.S: I'm still shocked at how the media can really hide the truth and manipulate people that way. It's the first time for me to witness the great discrepancy between facts and what Western media publishes..honestly didn't expect it to be that huge.
 
Tunisia - went there in 1986, worst place i have ever been - and i have traveled - the people were shit bags tried to rob every tourist they could - am watching the news with a smile :lol:

Are you sick?? ...or are you uh..sick?
 
Another big joke from the media, they are giving the leaked cables undue credit in inciting the revolution. That's bullshit as Tunisiaans themselves said, it was a revolution because of unemployment, corruption and oppression..nothing to do with wikileaks
 
I read that few hours earlier and I can say it's full of crap

I like how CNN ignored the issue completely for a month and then decided to start posting "knowledgeable ,experienced" opinions that only serve to maintain the ignorant wrong view of what's going on in the middle east.

This article is very shallow and very wrong. And yes the Army is taking hold for now because Ben ALi's men and forces are still trying heir ways. Tunisians want the army to deal with the critical next dys, but Tunisia won't be a military state anymore ,God's willing. The army in Tunis don't care about ruling and you will see. And even if they do, the people will walk back to the streets.


P.S: I'm still shocked at how the media can really hide the truth and manipulate people that way. It's the first time for me to witness the great discrepancy between facts and what Western media publishes..honestly didn't expect it to be that huge.

Do you have any insightful sources you can post?
 
The most worrying thing now is that there are thugs and armed militias who many affiliate to be Ben Ali's loyalists who are looting and shooting randomly. The army is in the streets fighting them as well as the Tunisian people who have organized themselves with the task of protecting the neighborhoods.

here's the latest news :

Tunisia situation volatile - Africa - Al Jazeera English
 
Tunisia: the first Arab revolution | Mona Eltahawy | Comment is free | The Guardian

Every 23 July for the past 58 years Egypt, my country of birth, has celebrated its "July revolution" that overthrew King Farouk and ended the monarchy and British occupation once and for all. It was no revolution: it was a coup staged by young army officers.

And so it has been with a series of "revolutions" around the Arab world in which a succession of military men went on to lead us in civilian clothes – some kept the olive drabs on – and rob generations of the real meaning of revolution. For years I looked at the Iranians with envy – not at the outcome of their 1979 revolution, but because it was a popular uprising, not a euphemism for a coup.

So you'll understand why, along with millions of other Arabs, I'll forever cherish 14 January 2011 – the day Zine al-Abidine Ben Ali fled Tunisia, his 23-year rule toppled by 29 days of a popular uprising. A real revolution for a change.

It's the first time Arabs have toppled one of their dictators, so you'll understand why, despite the reports of chaos, looting and a musical chairs of caretaker leaders, I'm still celebrating. Let's have no whining about how those pesky Tunisians who risked their lives in their thousands to face down a despot ruined the idyllic package-holiday-in-a-police-state for so many European tourists.

The equations circling Tunisia right now are very clear: we have no idea who or what kind of coalition of leaders will emerge but there is no doubt who's rooting for the failure of this revolution: every Arab leader who has spent the past month watching Tunisia in fear. You can be sure the region's dictators are on their knees right now praying for chaos and collapse for Tunisia.

Some Arab countries have simply ignored what happened: no official statement from Algeria or Morocco. Others said they respect the wish of Tunisians but filled their state-owned media with reminders that they weren't anything like Tunisia: Egypt.

Leave it to Muammar Gaddafi, the world's longest-serving dictator, to best portray that panic. Addressing a nation where thousands had faced down the bullets of Ben Ali's security to protest at unemployment, police brutality and the corruption of the regime, Gaddafi told Tunisians they were now suffering bloodshed and lawlessness because they were too hasty in getting rid of Ben Ali.

If every Arab leader has watched Tunisia in fear, then every Arab citizen has watched in hope because it was neither Islamists – long used by our leaders to scare many into acquiescence – nor foreign troops that toppled the dictator: it was ordinary and very fed up people.

Tunisians must remember that during these days of chaos. We're hearing reports that neighbourhood watch committees have sprung up to protect against looting and violence, which many blame on Ben Ali's loyalists.

Interestingly, both western observers and Gaddafi have been crediting WikiLeaks, but for different reasons. By buying into the idea that leaked US embassy cables about corruption "fuelled" the revolution, commentators smear Tunisians with ignorance of facts and perpetuate the myth that Arabs are incapable of rising up against dictators. Gaddafi railed against WikiLeaks because he, too, wants to blame something other than the power of the people – and cables from Tripoli portray him as a Botox-using neurotic inseparable from a "voluptuous" Ukrainian nurse.

Gaddafi's Libya has had its own protests over the past few days. Nothing on the scale of Tunisia, but enough that his speech to Tunisians could be summarised thus: I am scared witless by what happened in your country.

That's why I insist we stop and appreciate Tunisia: relish the revolution that is no longer a euphemism for a coup.
 
hehe

Tunisia gunbattles continue; Syria, Jordan fear revolts - Israel News, Ynetnews

Syrian authorities sharply raised a key subsidy on Sunday in a reversal of policy after Tunisia's president was driven from power by unrest over soaring prices, unemployment and state repression.

The Syrian government, which has been controlled by the Baath Party since it took power in 1963, announced it had increased the heating oil allowance for public workers by 72% to the equivalent of $33 a month.

The government had hitherto been slashing subsidies as it lifts bans on private enterprise to try and repair decades of economic stagnation and draw back capital.

In neighboring Jordan, the state announced a $225 million package of cuts in the prices of several fuels and staple products including sugar and rice.

Syrian Finance Minister Mohammad al-Hussein said the increase in the heating oil allowance would cost the state $326 million a year, benefiting two million public workers and retirees out of a population of 20 million.

"This liquidity will have a positive impact on economic activity," Hussein told Syria's official news agency.

Meanwhile, Islamists in Jordan, emboldened by protests in Tunisia called on Sunday for an end to what they called authoritarian rule in their country.

Nearly one thousand Islamist and some leftist demonstrators rallied in front of parliament, to protest price rises and free-market reforms they blame for worsening the plight of the poor in the country of 7 million.

The rally was called by the influential Muslim unions, a bastion of opposition to the kingdom's pro-Western policies. Protesters called for the downfall of Prime Minister Samir Rifai's government, pointing to Tunisia as an example.

Some analysts have said the moves are designed to head off the kind of unrest seen in Algeria and Tunisia from rising food prices and worsening living conditions.

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Would be interesting if the same happens in Syria, though if Bashar is anything like dad then this is highly unlikely.
 
^ Great news, Arab leaders suddenly realise they can't just rely on fear tactics to marginalise their disgruntled masses. While I'd say that the likes of Jordan are not quite ripe enough yet for a forced regime change, at least it's forcing the hand of government to implement welfare and economic reforms.

This can't be good news for the west mind you :)
 
5 Algerians set themselves on fire the past couple of days.

An Egyptian has just a couple of hours set himself on fire in front of the parliament chanting slogans against State Security


Geez, it's not like the same technique will automatically work .some guts though....or desperation
 
^ Great news, Arab leaders suddenly realise they can't just rely on fear tactics to marginalise their disgruntled masses. While I'd say that the likes of Jordan are not quite ripe enough yet for a forced regime change, at least it's forcing the hand of government to implement welfare and economic reforms.

This can't be good news for the west mind you :)

A popular rising in Jordan will see the much awaited creation of a Palestinian state, won't it? I also wonder what the Sunni vs. Shiite/Alawi relations in Syria might look like if Bashar was to be toppled.

As for the West, it's fecked for a long while now. And little wonder too, with so many people exploiting its values while at the same time yearning for its demise.
 
5 Algerians set themselves on fire the past couple of days.

An Egyptian has just a couple of hours set himself on fire in front of the parliament chanting slogans against State Security


Geez, it's not like the same technique will automatically work .some guts though....or desperation

:lol:

Some people have misunderstood the need for this to spread to other Arab countries.
 
Tunisians are continuing with their protests today. They want all the previous ruling party men out of power since they were trying to form a coalition government with the opposition sides. Right thing to do.
 
:) here's a clip. You don't need to know Arabic to laugh I think

 
..and now a Mauritanian man has torched himself in front of the presidential palace
 
hehe

The weird thing is that an Egyptian journalist and author wrote a book years ago about how people living under an Arab tyrant started torching themselves in protest.

The story became a fact.....sad really.
 
You know avatar, what bothers me most is the reported story of ben ali's wife trying to retreive gold bullion from the central bank right before fleeing the country...I mean the country is crumbling and people are getting killed but the bitch still wants a last chunk of her 24 year loot.....كس أمّهم كلّهم

laila.jpg
 
You know avatar, what bothers me most is the reported story of ben ali's wife trying to retreive gold bullion from the central bank right before fleeing the country...I mean the country is crumbling and people are getting killed but the bitch still wants a last chunk of her 24 year loot.....كس أمّهم كلّهم

laila.jpg

:lol: That's so "Egyptian"

Anyway, all Arab regimes are traitors..they care about the money and power more than their people and country. they are classic traitors and should be hanged

P.S: She's hot

oh and she did manage to steal 1.5 Tons of Gold!!!
 
:lol: That's so "Egyptian"

Anyway, all Arab regimes are traitors..they care about the money and power more than their people and country. they are classic traitors and should be hanged

P.S: She's hot

oh and she did manage to steal 1.5 Tons of Gold!!!

That will make some pretty nice earings.
 
they care about the money and power more than their people and country.

I think you can pretty much extend this to politicians in general. I would suggest the Arabs stopped torching themselves right now if what they expect is being governed by politicians who are not there for the power/money.
 
I think you can pretty much extend this to politicians in general. I would suggest the Arabs stopped torching themselves right now if what they expect is being governed by politicians who are not there for the power/money.

well probably all politicians are about money but at least western politicians are not brutal about it....FFS Tunisians invented the scotch tape technique!!!
 
It's all kicking up in Egypt now, thousands of protesters hitting the streets demanding Hosni "99.9% of vote" Mubarak step down.

A rather amusing response from Hillary at the White House:

"We support the fundamental right of expression and assembly for all people and we urge that all parties exercise restraint and refrain from violence. Our assessment is that the Egyptian government is stable and is looking for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people." :lol:
 
Back from the protests and going down again God's willing. Things are kicking out..this could be big...inshallah
 
Let's hope so.

Be careful though, I have this horrible feeling Mubarak isn't going to go down quietly and will unleash brutal retaliatory attacks in an act of desperation.
 
Let's hope that Arab dictators are replaced by something better. We have enough evidence for being cautious about what may come next.