I am still saying he won't leave this window.
I've got my future reputation as a prophet riding on it.
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I am still saying he won't leave this window.
I've got my future reputation as a prophet riding on it.
This. Lose a prince and gain a King.
Can someone remember when Owen returned to Anfield last year?
They wanted to make a banner with Torres in the middle alongside legends like Rush and Daglish, cause Torres would never let them down like Owen
They wanted to make a banner with Torres in the middle alongside legends like Rush and Daglish, cause Torres would never let them down like Owen
And B9, I'm sure you'd much rather Torres move to England's greatest club.
Imagine the boos when he scores for Chelsea at Anfield 
In fact, I was delighted when he did!
The only reason he might not leave this transfer window is lack of time. I'm not sure why Liverpool would want to keep hold this window. It's not like they are competing for any trophies. Top half of the table is the best case scenario for this season. Personally if I was a Scouse fan, I'd not want him anywhere near the team unless he apologises and withdraws his request.
I would do this purely to satisfy my sociological curiosity.
Football in the two cities would never be the same again.
He must be Rafa posting with an alias
They want to have a chance at Europa next year.
Song contest?
We're competing for the Europea league. and european qualification.
The money we'd get can't help at this stage of the season. Much rather have Torres on the pitch for the final part of it than money in the bank we'll have coming in the summer anyway.
In terms of money, now is the only time to sell.
He'll leave for much less if you let it run on (FFP etc), as well as the fact you'll have a sulky disinterested cnut on your hands.
He's no Ronaldo - when his head's down he's shite.
Saying that, I'd rather you keep him until summer, as we have to play Chelsea twice.
To be honest, if one of our players spent the entire season blatantly sulking and then put in a transfer request, I'd be pretty peeved.
and loyal? He's a professional footbaler who's paid thousands a week by his employer. He's not been putting the effort in all year, contributed to his manager getting the sack through his own selfishness, and now we all know the reason why is because he's sulking over his desire to leave.
If that's what passes as loyal these days, football really is dead.
He's probably the biggest cock going at the moment, which takes some doing considering what the likes of Rooney and Tevez have been up to.
I loled
I'd personally have younger players gaining experience and wanting to play for a club, get games than play those counting the minutes waiting for their inevitable departure.
This Torres loyalty myth makes me laugh. He's been there for 3 and a half years!
Someone was arguing with me on here when Ronaldo left that Torres was a far more loyal player. I told them to come back when Torres had been at liverpool for 6 years.
Someone was arguing with me on here when Ronaldo left that Torres was a far more loyal player. I told them to come back when Torres had been at liverpool for 6 years.
I don't believe that. If we don't get the fee we want we won't sell.
Same way Ronaldo could have thrown all the strops he wanted, but there was no way he was going to be allowed to leave for less just because he only scored 26 goals in his last season for you.
What a bunch of fags.
How do we know that the willingness to pay a high price for Suarez right before this Torres nonsense came out wasn't some sort of SawkerBallNomics garbage from NESV?
They had to complete the Suarez deal before selling Torres so that they could get Suarez while appearing to be skint, and refill their coffers courtesy of El Ninette's departure to Stamford Bridge?
No point keeping him if his replacement has already been bought and you can hold Chelsea over a barrel.
Then Torres looks like Satan-Spawn, NESV look like they're putting money into the club, your yanks are better than our yanks, and they make a profit on the deal.
You're speaking as a fan, not someone running a football club.
You will get the fee that he's worth (though it won't be some of the ridiculous figures quoted on RAWK etc).
I agree with you that it is probably too late for a team to push this transfer through. But given Torres' penchant for sulking, if he doesn't get his move what do you think his effort level is going to be? This is a serious question. During the first part of the season he acted like a twat. He bucked up for a handful of games, interestingly the one he showed the most effort in was the Chelsea game (outting himself in the shop window perhaps).
They'll get more than what he's worth, given that they're selling to a rival in the same division.
Probably. I'd say, given his injury record, poor form, and the fact he's no longer a spring chicken, he's only worth about the £35m Chelsea offered. David Villa went for £35m and he's a much better and more reliable player, albeit a bit older.
It'll end up going through for about £40m plus a £10m-rated Chelsea player (Sturridge/Kalou/Anelka), which would mean £50m.
Too much for Torres, but probably his value in the context of the transaction.
I don't know. Still rather have a sulky Torres on the pitch than money in the bank for a few months. It's not like his fee is gonna drop much in the meantime. Whatever decrease has been made to his value has surely already been accomplished by his performances this season so far.
That would be proper machiavellian. At the moment, I am choosing not to believe it cuz that would suck.
You've been on form in this one Jason.
FSG/NESV aren't blameless.
- appointing an out of touch relic manager on the whim of the fans, as nothing more than glorified caretaker (hardly screams ambition or boldness).
- still haven't appointed a chief executive, adding to the general feeling of a club with no direction or leadership (on and off the pitch).
- not really investing properly (if we assume Suarez is being bought as an insurance option for Torres leaving), with the only other concrete target being a Blackpool midfielder. And selling Babel without a specialist replacement.
- and they themselves are of course Americans from a baseball background with little to no idea of how to run a football club.
Torres is pretty entitled to think same old shit.
- appointing an out of touch relic manager on the whim of the fans, as nothing more than glorified caretaker (hardly screams ambition or boldness).
- still haven't appointed a chief executive, adding to the general feeling of a club with no direction or leadership (on and off the pitch).
- not really investing properly (if we assume Suarez is being bought as an insurance option for Torres leaving), with the only other concrete target being a Blackpool midfielder. And selling Babel without a specialist replacement.
- and they themselves are of course Americans from a baseball background with little to no idea of how to run a football club.
Torres is pretty entitled to think same old shit.
Arguing with Scousers has always been Jason's strongest department.
Would deffo shake shit up, games between us would have an even bigger edge. Dunno whether SAF could force Rooney to go though, even if SAF did fancy it.
This. I think they are ambitious and I am all for us being smart about our decisions, transfer and otherwise and not rushing into things.
But they think they have more time to do these things than they actually do. We're in a very precarious period right now. We simply can't afford to stay below par for so long if we want to have a prayer of getting back in the top 4. It will hamper our ability to attract players and keep our best ones.
They need to make urgency a priority on level with smartness and amibition. We don't have time for a carefully orchestrated but slow rise back to the higher end of european football.
They were too slow to sack Hodgson, have been waaay too slow to appoint a CEO and haven't exactly been lightning in the transfer window either.
To be honest, I get the feeling that your new owners sees you as nothing but an investment, and couldn't care less about how successful you are. They saw an opportunity for a bargain with the situation with the former saviours of the club, and will make the changes necessary to get a good ROI and sell on the club in 2-3 years.
That is my guess.
Of they're just after reaping financial rewards. I hardly think they understand or even like football. I doubt they will have heard of Liverpool FC before the fiasco with their previous owners.
I think it is a possibility that they see us as an investment and essentially snapping up the club for a cut-price fee.
That said, even if that is the case, I think given their modus operandi, they do care about us being succesful. They will need us back in the top 4 to increase the value of the club and with the fair play rules they probably reckon they could do a lot with this in the next 5 years or so. And at the end of the day, sports businessmen want to make succesful sports ventures.
Even G&H wanted us to be succesful and at one point did put some of their own money into the club as well. I think FSG will do the same. The problem with G&H was that their model of running things on debt couldn't withstand the financial crisis and once the money ran out, they turned out to be lying liars who lie a lot and most definitely no longer had the best interest of LFC in mind.
I am sure FSG wouldn't either if they faced serious financial difficulty, but that seems a less likely prospect than with G&H.
I seriously doubt they're looking for a quick sale, but we'll know a lot more about their real intentions by this time next year.
They either are playing this Torres thing perfectly, or they just really don't know what is going on or required, or Torres/Chelsea have surprised them. I suspect the likelihoods are in that order.
They either are playing this Torres thing perfectly, or they just really don't know what is going on or required, or Torres/Chelsea have surprised them. I suspect the likelihoods are in that order.
Latest rumors is that Chelsea improved the offer to almost 60m...
I know they're in need of a striker but to splash 60m for an injury prone... ?
Why not go for Lukaku... This kid will definitely be the new monster imo. Or even use that on Neymar ?
I know they're in need of a striker but to splash 60m for an injury prone... ?
Why not go for Lukaku... This kid will definitely be the new monster imo. Or even use that on Neymar ?
Now we're talking. buh-bye Fernando. We had a great time and all.
The world has officially gone mad.....not worth half that.
So that's NESV +37m on this window if that happened.
How much would be reinvested in the club, do you think?
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