I think world leaders are effectively playing chicken with each other now, none of them wants to be the first to come out with "Mubarak, piss off" but once one does, I can't help but feel the rest will too.
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So the usual, let's wait for the Americans to do it...and once that happens, we can all jump on the bandwagon safely.
If things go tits up, we can say the americans started it
They are assaulting foreign journalists now everywhere and confiscating their equipments. State Tv has been busy past days saying this is all a foreign conspiracy. Thousands of police personnel in civilian clothes are everywhere , so are thugs.
More ppl are going to Tahrir from everywhere and many protests in different cities
More ppl are going to Tahrir from everywhere and many protests in different cities
Yeah, several members of CNN's crew have been roughed up, and the Beeb had their crew arrested, blindfolded, and interrogated for three hours.
Mubarak seems to be using old school 1970s tactics of intimidation in the 24 hour news cycle/social media savvy, world of 2011. It will only alienate him and hasten his demise.
I too beleive that Israel is fairly down on the young Egyptians' list of priorities. However, even though educated young people may be the driving force behind the protests they won't necessarily be the ones who dictate who takes office after Mubarak.
I have no idea what the balance of power is among opposition parties in Egypt. I doubt many do.
Avatar- Does Omar Suleiman have a chance of succeeding Mubarak?
No idea now. Mubarak burnt his card in the past days. Many respected him earlier ,but each day that passes now makes him go down in our eyes
I wanted him to lead the transition, but am worried from him now
I wanted him to lead the transition, but am worried from him now
Too close to Mubarak I would think. If anything he is likely to leave with him to seek political asylum.
He is close to Mubarak, but is perhaps seen as a professional who serves his country rather than an integral part of a corrupt regime...? Remains to be seen how the violent events of the last few days will tarnish his reputation because of his recent appointment.
My question was also aimed at the prospect of the masses settling for less than a full democracy, as long they rid Egypt of Mubarak.
My question was also aimed at the prospect of the masses settling for less than a full democracy, as long they rid Egypt of Mubarak.
There's no wy Mubarak can be left to stay until September. If he is I don't see him leaving in September.
There will need to be some form of an interim solution.
He could well die before September, but I agree that it's too late now for a sloution which will give him the few extra months in office.
Having said that, as Sultan suggests it's naive to expect a swift shift to full democracy and here lies a challenge. Not only there isn't a candidate the opposition factions can all identify with, the person who takes over must be trusted to actually lead the country to free election. Decades of dictatorship must have left a political vacuum in terms of alternative leadership, and I'm not sure how prominent figures such as Suleiman are going to tick the other box.
Having said that, as Sultan suggests it's naive to expect a swift shift to full democracy and here lies a challenge. Not only there isn't a candidate the opposition factions can all identify with, the person who takes over must be trusted to actually lead the country to free election. Decades of dictatorship must have left a political vacuum in terms of alternative leadership, and I'm not sure how prominent figures such as Suleiman are going to tick the other box.
Most people I've spoken to are siding with the revolution so here's hoping there's no more violence and that Mubarak can get the hell out of there cos it's clear he's not wanted.
That would be 10-15 people? Who knows what tens of millions of Egyptians want. Now even if all want rid of Mubarak that's still not enough. Iraq is a good recent example that getting rid of the dictator is the easy part.
He is so not going to go....
Listen to the press conference the PM just gave.
Listen to the press conference the PM just gave.
yes, approx 10-15, mostly Americans.
If we can judge by the demonstrations then it looks like the Egyptians want Mubarak out. again, I hope for no more violence but also peaceful transitition to full democracy. don't want a repeat of the Iranian scenario.
Hmmm...not sure about that. Full democracy is not just about having free election in September, but also having the following in 4-5 years, and then another one 4-5 years after that. Full democracy includes women rights, basic civil rights and so on. I doubt the existing gap in political culture can be bridged by two-week demonstrations at a-Tahrir.
yeah I know. here's hoping it happens.
What does woman's rights have to do with any of this? Are you implying that women are oppressed in Egypt, or are you just playing up the Arab stereotype of women beaters?
No, but the free election is the key. Elect the right person, and they will ensure that a true democratic system is put in place. Whether that "right person" exists and will stand for election is another matter, but the key is for the election to be free and to allow the people to decide their own fate. A lot of people have died for it to happen, so we can only hope for a positive outcome.
Omar Soliman to address the people soon. he should make like 10 decisions now. Tomorrow might be too dangerous
Yeah, they started this sometime yesterday, I think. As Raoul said, Anderson Cooper's(gay guy with silver hair) and his team were attacked while walking through the streets trying to get to Tahrir(I think).
There was an interesting thing on CNN though of an American woman walking through the streets with a small video camera, who I'm not sure was a journalist, but was starting to get pushed by the pro-Mubarak people she was walking through. One of them grabbed her around the shoulders and protected her while he guided her out of the danger. Unlike the CNN people, it was just her rather than a group of journalists and fixers.
The VP on State TV
All people want to hear is - Mubarak is gone,
and he instead starts rambling on about constitutional reforms.
All people want to hear is - Mubarak is gone,
and he instead starts rambling on about constitutional reforms.
Just stalling for time. Laying down the tactics to keep status quo. Seems to be little urgency, at least in public, from the western world. Wait long enough and it will all be forgotten
It is obvious from the propaganda piece just on Egyptian TV, the Army has looked at the situation and decided to keep faith with Mubarak.
The VP just now glorifying Mubarak, as 'the Father', 'the Leader'.
Oh well...it was fun while it lasted.
The VP just now glorifying Mubarak, as 'the Father', 'the Leader'.
Oh well...it was fun while it lasted.
If this is allowed to be just forgotten the US and it's followers will lose quite a bit of credibility being, or at least supposed to be, the foreunners for freedom and democracy
I didn't know Arabs had this reputation. Anyway, you'll find that women rights correlate with modernism and democracy.
Depressed, confused , paralyzed
Army sticking to him... so unfair
Army sticking to him... so unfair
The Al Jezeera server is connecting, again.
Future is unknown
Now i'm literally terrified
Now i'm literally terrified
Of course you didn't. I'm glad you at least admit your ignorance, I just wish you'd admit it more often rather than give an opinion of everything. FYI You'd be hard pushed to find laws in Egypt that explicitly give men more rights. You're just making random statements that mean nothing in particular.
P.S. Egypt is nothing like Iraq, so stop comparing the two.
People losing the will to fight bro?
TBF Iraq was a pretty good place for women as far as the ME is concerned. Very very progressive.
William Hague speaking well on ITV
And so is Egypt.
How you can compare a "democracy" forced by an occupying force to one instigated by a popular revolution is beyond me.
Nah. Egypt is nothing like Iraq mate. Plus Muburak never reached Saddam's level of dictatorship. That's how people are able to attempt to kick him out themselves. The best thing about Egypt is their population is mostly young and educated. It will be hard for any new leaders to take them for a ride.
The interview Mubarak just gave Christian Amanpour is so laughable, I'm not sure how she completed it.
Egypt: ABC News' Christiane Amanpour Exclusive Interview with President Mubarak - ABC News
Be ready to in equal measures
Egypt: ABC News' Christiane Amanpour Exclusive Interview with President Mubarak - ABC News
Be ready to
in equal measuresHe's not gonna go in September is he?
Of course the two countries are different, as are events leading to the collapse of the respective regimes. However, I reckon Egyptian opposition factions will find it just as tough forming a stable coalition if they have to stand up for the challenge. What do these young educated Egyptians have in common with the brotherhood? Will either respect democracy if they lose the general election?