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Essentially because as a Porto follower and what I saw of him at the time I think the role he was assigned (which couldn't be any different, mind, hence I think it was the wrong club for him) doesn't capitalize on what were his greatest assets and forced him to "recondition" himself for the greater good of the team.

Loads of talent yes, but when that talent never showed in the form of great tactical awareness, an above average long-passing range or tackling, I don't see how he can perform very well in CM, let alone a 2-man CM as United usually plays.

And a player that is a first team player in Porto at the age of 17 can never be regarded as a late bloomer. More the case of a natural path that was diverted and hence slowed down.
Conversion is a slow process. Mikel at Chelsea is suffering the same.
 
Essentially because as a Porto follower and what I saw of him at the time I think the role he was assigned (which couldn't be any different, mind, hence I think it was the wrong club for him) doesn't capitalize on what were his greatest assets and forced him to "recondition" himself for the greater good of the team.

Loads of talent yes, but when that talent never showed in the form of great tactical awareness, an above average long-passing range or tackling, I don't see how he can perform very well in CM, let alone a 2-man CM as United usually plays.

And a player that is a first team player in Porto at the age of 17 can never be regarded as a late bloomer. More the case of a natural path that was diverted and hence slowed down.

I get what you are saying, that we've played him deeper than he played at Gremio, Porto, and Brazilian youth sides, but he's had some outstanding displays in the CM role, and plenty of them came in a 4-4-2 system. What has slowed his rate of progression down is injuries, the lad just can't seem to get into a long-term spell away from a mid/long-term injury.

When he's managed to string games together this season, I think he's shown some vast improvements in his game and his passing has gone up another notch IMO, he's still got that raw power and ability to beat a man, but he's now picking his passes a lot better and offering some attacking intent from CM that we've lacked. It's just unfortunate that again the old injury jinx has cropped up and prevented him from building on his November-early January form where I thought he was outstanding for us.

Like I said, he's improved IMO this season and adapted well to the CM task since he was asked to play there by SAF when he first came. I would like to see him given a run further up the field though, maybe next season when we've got a bit more leeway to try some things that we don't have the chance to now with the stakes so high. Like Yaya at City, he can play as a deeper-lying CM but his qualities would be much more beneficial to the side further up the field, his power, dribbling ability, energy, and constantly improving passing game would do more damage to opposition from there IMO and it's where he made his name and impressed enough for us to invest as much as we have in his talents in the first place.
 
Loads of talent yes, but when that talent never showed in the form of great tactical awareness, an above average long-passing range or tackling, I don't see how he can perform very well in CM, let alone a 2-man CM as United usually plays.
He simply doesn't look like a CM to me - doesn't have the workrate, short passing, awareness or discipline.
 
I still think if Anderson does get it together, his best role would be a sort of Iniesta/Toure hybrid position, not quite a defensive mid because he lacks the discipline of a Mascherano and not quite a Ozil in the hole because he has shit shooting technique, but instead as a ball carrier and assist maker.. which is what Iniesta does for Barca.

Xavi runs the game for them but Iniesta gets on the ball alot, makes things happen for other people without really scoring himself. I think if we strengthen our midfield in the future and find a proper Scholes replacement and a genuine Hargreaves one.. Anderson would thrive without the pressure and find his own niche role in the side, as a dynamic creator who can put in a tackle now and again.. rather than over burden him.

Him and Carrick are both players who can excel as complementary players, but I don't think individually they're of the class to take on top class midfields on their own and dominate. The most they can do is contain or put in good performances once in a while.
 
Excellent today.

For me he's been pretty good this season. His home performances have ranged from good to exceptional. His form will come in away games next season, but it's time to recognize that he's overall had a pretty good season and as things stand is a good player. Of course the challenge is to be a consistently class player, but he's not struggling youngster whose failing to contribute and looking out of his depth as some would have you believe.
 
Think its fair to say that was his best performance ever in a red shirt.

You see, all of his qualities came together tonight + goals. Tackling, creativity, energy... Marvellous performance. And he lasted 90 minutes. Poor Gibbo, being outshone on his best game in a United shirt.
 
If anyone can make gif of that run where he drove through their heart and played a pass with the outside of his foot for Nani, that would be great. Fantastic stuff that was.
 
Ando did very well today. Give him the chance to play weekend weekend out he'll be a fantatic player for us for many years to come. :devil:
 
Best cm we have by a long, long way. Quality. Thought he got tired after 60mins? When did he score his 2 goals!?
 
It's like there are two Anderson's, one we keep at Old Trafford and the other travels with us on away trips. He was class tonight.
 
He's a goalscoring midfielder now.

It's true that Schalke weren't the best opponents but Anderson helped to run that midfield. As time went on he just got stronger and more determined. We will need that fighting spirit in the remaning games. I hope he's figured out how to finish chances by simply being in right place at the right time.
 
Who then? The only other one I can think of is giggs, of late.

Giggs, Scholes, Carrick are all still better and more consistent. Fletcher is too, arguably.

There's a difference between talent and established consistency.

Can Anderson be better than they all are right now? Of course.
Is he? No.

Seriously, "long long way", ridiculous.
 
:lol: The funny part was when he was on a hat trick and he was the furthest player forward waiting on crosses to come in from the wings :lol:

I've never seen him have that hunger and fitness levels after 70 minutes :lol:
 
He was amazing, this performance had everything. Driving runs from midfield, tenacity, penetrative passing and most importantly some end product at last.

If he can build on his performances at home and translate them to our away matches then we've got quite a player on our hands.
 
:lol: The funny part was when he was on a hat trick and he was the furthest player forward waiting on crosses to come in from the wings :lol:

I've never seen him have that hunger and fitness levels after 70 minutes :lol:

:lol: He was so eager for that hattrick.
He was sprinting forward at every opportunity. Yet still passed the ball at all the right times in the final third when he could easily have been selfish.
 
Giggs, Scholes, Carrick are all still better and more consistent. Fletcher is too, arguably.

There's a difference between talent and established consistency.

Can Anderson be better than they all are right now? Of course.
Is he? No.

Seriously, "long long way", ridiculous.

Yes scholes and fletcher have been fantastically consistent this season!! Carrick has played well towards the back end of the season and giggs has stepped up when needed.

Your suggestion that scholes or fletcher have been more consistent this season is the only one that is 'ridiculous'
 
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