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The poster amolbhatia100 supports an English club, but has a strange bias against English players. I do not understand that. It is unhealthy.
And yes, Anderson was invisible and uninvolved. That is entirely unsurprising. It is time for his legions of fan-boys to admit maybe he is not as special as they had hoped.
And yes, Anderson was invisible and uninvolved. That is entirely unsurprising. It is time for his legions of fan-boys to admit maybe he is not as special as they had hoped.
Yeah because every player fulfills his potential by 23.
Even if he ends up a good squad player why get fed up? Some of sound as if players not being at their best by 22 are useless to this club.
Why would you say that?
Rooney pre-comments was my favorite player BTW.
Now anyone who rates Andersons is a fanboi too
I'm not fed up if he ends up a squad player. Bizarre suggestion. I simply said he'll end up a squad player if this apparent "full potential" never arrives while others keep banging on about him being world class, eventually. I keep reading the posts about how great he will be and here he is in his fourth year and keeps putting on average performances with a good one here and there that seemingly tells some he's on his way to being great.
The straw-clutching on the age thing is hilarious on this board. If the player hasn't progressed by a certain age he's either crap or he's tossed into the "some players don't reach their potential (that word again) until xx age."
Which is it?
It's fairly simple. Anderson has loads of potential. Right now he's a pretty good player who seems to play well when he has time and space (at home), not so much when he doesn't (away). Different players do progress at different rates but that's not to say he will do it at 25 or 26. That's for him to achieve. I can't tell you when I think hell be the best he can or if he ever will be. But he has enough talent for me to keep the faith.
Anderson was 22 up until just over a fortnight ago. It's hardly clutching at straw to take into account the long list of top class central midfielders who were nowhere near the player they are now when they were 22/23 years of age. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect similar improvements from Anderson.
What is clutching at straws IMO is expecting him to somehow progress furthe than players like Wilshere who look closer to the finished article already, while several years younger.
What is clutching at straws IMO is expecting him to somehow progress furthe than players like Wilshere who look closer to the finished article already, while several years younger.
I certainly hope he turns out top class but he may well not.
Fair enough, but when you've seen something special in a player its very hard to abandon that. I see immense potential in him. I'm not necessarily expecting that from him. i just think he has it in him.
I think over the years I've also learnt that its not always about how close you are to the finished article when you're young. That just means you've developed faster. If were talking about level of potential, its about how much is in your tank really. Whether it comes together at 23 or 24 like nani or 18 like wilshire.
Nani has always showed, at least for me, far more glimpses of potential world class ability than Anderson has. From day one.
Wilshere is quite clearly already better than Anderson will ever be. The Brazilian at his best adds some drive to United's play but there isn't the control or intelligence to back it up.
He wouldnt have let Ramsey score.. He would have been covering Ramsey ....
If Ando reaches his potential, Gibson better watch out. He may actually lose his spot.
Ando will reach it next season, probably for the first time he'll get a full run in pre-season which he hasn't done in all his 4 seasons here so far...
Just one match and people are going bonkers...
Just one match and people are going bonkers...
Try playing through a proper league season without a single proper pre season first.
Your wish will certainly be granted.
Xavi at 23 for example was not even half the player he is now. Anderson is a kid in terms of midfielders.
I am not really concerned about his talent since its evident that the raw talent is there. What worries me is his attitude. He's constantly overdoing himself, chasing the ball like a rotweiler pup on steroids when the wiser option would be to calm down, think and let the ball do much of the work. I believe that he will end up doing well with us but we are really in desperate need for a world class central midfielder here. Someone who can be influential for players like Gibson and Anderson.
He has shown no progress at all imo.
He has in fact a better player due to fitness when he arrived here.
Nani always showed glimpses of brilliance.
Not going to write him off so soon but it looks a bit bleak.
He has in fact a better player due to fitness when he arrived here.
Nani always showed glimpses of brilliance.
Not going to write him off so soon but it looks a bit bleak.
He needs the summer off to rehab his knee some, there is no way it is 100% only 14 months out
Summer off, but back in business with a pre-season, if he fails to show at least an ounce of potential then I'm sure it is time...
However, I'm pretty sure he'll make it, even at times when he doesn't show his energy in attack etc... He is able to produce flashes of brilliance with his passing...
Oh, once he's knee is fix, ask Scholes to teach him to shoot !
That's the big difference for me. I've never seen this 'world-class' potential from Anderson.
I dont know about that, i recall a game vs Wigan at OT in his debut season where he was tops. Up till that game we were winning by the odd goal, the performance he put in that day was unbelieveable and we won 4 nil, i thought his performances vs both Asnl and Liverpool that season showed great maturity and he had a spell of about 3 months with OH/Carrick where they bossed midfield - i recall a game vs Fulham away where we lined up with Scholes and OH because we had a big UCL game the following wednesday (Roma i think it was) and wanted to rest Anderson. Vs Pompy in the FA cup he was great. How about last season at the bridge? I thought he was the best player on the pitch that day.
There are plently of times in his first season that showed his potential and its based on that why i believed at the time he was going to be one of the best players in the world over the next couple of seasons - as i did with Nani, unfortunately that never happened (for both). They've had a few seasons of being inconsistant and while Nani has started to build on that early potential and became more consistant Anderson has not. But i refuse to write him off because at 23 he hasnt set the world alight, hes shown plenty of games and glimpses of class for me to indicate he will make it here.
Bugger off, Nani is one of the best wingers in Europe, feck potential, he's proved his potential already and now he'll go well past it. How can the best player in the Premiership this year not be world class? Ugh.
So after his first season with us he wasnt inconsistant? Yeah ok...
Hes a great winger now (on the tip of being world class for me) but for two years after his debut season i didnt think he ever looked like he was going to become the player he is today
Erm, what? Where did I say that? And who are you on about ?
You're on about past tense or something, I've had no mention of that. Nani is world class now, i never said he WAS world class. It's you saying he didn't fufil his potential that's that dumb part.
I probably worded it wrong, my point is Nani and Anderson in their first season showed plenty of potential. Theyve had 2 inconsistant seasons but Nani pulled it together so i hold more than enough hope that Anderson will pay it back too.
But my point was that Nani IS a top winger, and that he has fulfilled all his potential.
No mention of Anderson nor his previous inconsistencies.
I'm really not sure where you're getting all this from mate.
No mention of Anderson nor his previous inconsistencies.
I'm really not sure where you're getting all this from mate.
Ok the first post i quoted said "Nani has shown more quality than Anderson" I said Anderson in his first season showed enough quality, which i believed was greater than anything Nani did that season. Hes gone off the rails a little but im not going to write him off because hes had a few seasons of being inconsistant. And like Nani i can see Anderson having a similar transformation because hes shown (for me anyway) enough quality
Past tense, present tense 
It's hilarious how we now have all these folks claiming Anderson has never showed world class potential since he arrive and Nani 'always had it'.
Preeeetty sure I always said Nani had a higher level of potential than Anderson. But I am incredibly biased towards him.
Xavi at 23 for example was not even half the player he is now. Anderson is a kid in terms of midfielders.
So we can go ahead and cast aside Evans and Gibson since it doesn't fit that argument.
Posters will use the age claim to support whatever case they desire. This guy can still make it because so-and-so did at age xx. This guy won't make it because he's yadda yadda and age xx.
There's nothing to even base Anderson off Xavi (or Zidane or whomever). Might as well base him off Hugo Viana to get the full spectrum. Kleberson was 23 when he arrived. I guess he didn't reach his potential because the club never gave him time to.
So we can go ahead and cast aside Evans and Gibson since it doesn't fit that argument.
Posters will use the age claim to support whatever case they desire. This guy can still make it because so-and-so did at age xx. This guy won't make it because he's yadda yadda and age xx.
There's nothing to even base Anderson off Xavi (or Zidane or whomever). Might as well base him off Hugo Viana to get the full spectrum. Kleberson was 23 when he arrived. I guess he didn't reach his potential because the club never gave him time to.
fecksake you're just talking crap now. Noone has suggested Anderson will 'make it' because Xavi and Zidane weren't at their peak at his age. We're saying he has the talent to make it and given some time to mature he might get there, like others have. Nothing is a certainty for anyone.
I wouldnt put it past him scoring the winner v Barca at Wembley
I don't think he will play or play a part.
Why? Because he had one bad game, Hernandez was pretty awful yesterday himself. As it is if United want to beat Barca, they have to go with Anderson, Carrick, and hopefully Fletcher in the center, with Rooney up top between Valencia and Park. With Nani, Hernandez, Giggs, and others such as Berbatov if needed to strike late.
Dumb post. Both of them fit my arguments perfectly. In case you never noticed I'm not the one writing players off prematurely. You are.So we can go ahead and cast aside Evans and Gibson since it doesn't fit that argument.
Yes. Posters like you who never pay attention to what actually takes place in the football world. The type who assured us how Ronaldo would never be worthy of 'lacing Rooney's boots''....and Nani would be sold . Then start claiming you knew he'd ''come good all along''
There is plenty. I could drop the names of many other midfielders who took their time to mature into stars and proved better players than others who were superior to them at younger ages. Zidane and Xavi are two of a very long list. Even in our own squad we have Fletcher whom almost everyone used call shit yet look him now. You really need to quit talking bullshit like this below:
Because it is not the club that is impatient with Anderson. It's fickle and impatient fans like yourself. I fully expect SAF and co to give Anderson all the time he needs to mature because of the level of talent he possesses. The same way they did with others before him, and unlike you I see them likely to be reaping the benefits.
He isnt going anywhere he signed a new contract, what, a hundred days ago. Still not convinced he will make it here, but I think next season will be his best oppurtunity
No, not at all. I was one of those who were of the opinion that he wasnt as bad as some on here claimed.
I just don't think he will play in the final. I think Giggsy will play alongside Carrick with Park on the left and Rooney and Hernandez up front. (with Rooney dropping deep or to the left and Park to the middle).
I'm not saying I don't want him to play a part. I would like to see him, I really would, but I doubt he will play.
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