Wilshire had the beating of Ando today, went past him a few times with ease. He was pretty poor really
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Just check out the match stats for the players today from the guardian chalk boards. Carrick who it is being claimed was superb in comparison defensively had a grand total of 1 tackle , 0 blocks and 1 interception. Anderson also had 1 interception, 1 block but 0 tackles. Whilst our wingers and fullbacks in comparison had this: Nani (13 tackles, 0 interceptions), 6 tackles, 3 Interceptions), Valencia (2 tackles, 1 interception), Fabio ( 9 tackles, 1 intercption) and Evra (9 Tackles, 2 interceptions)
The only thing that stands out is Anderson passed the ball 17 times losing it only 3 times, while Carrick passed it 40 times losing the ball 8 times. Which supports my earlier assertion that they passed with in themselves and spent the game just letting Arsenal have the ball while keeping them away from our defence by keeping them going wide with their attacks. For Arsenal's fullbacks saw a lot of the ball to very little effect, yet we were never overrun in center midfield to the extent that kept making 'last ditch tackles''.
It is. He was under par but by no means was he shit.
The sooner people stop over-rating him so much, the sooner they wont be so fecking disappointed when he doesn't meet those expectations every week
What gb said.
I don't see Anderson ever reaching the monumental heights that people here expect him to. I can see him becoming a very good midfielder, but like Pogue said, he's not at the standard of Fabregas or Wilshire.
I don't see Anderson ever reaching the monumental heights that people here expect him to. I can see him becoming a very good midfielder, but like Pogue said, he's not at the standard of Fabregas or Wilshire.
He will prove you all wrong the same way Nani has. Of this I have little doubt.
Firstly Wilshire isn't in Fabregas' class. I don't see how people have put them together. And yes, Anderson can match Wilshire.
Nani didn't prove me wrong 
I don't see the 'wrong' here, nor the Nani comparison, seeing as folks on here were shouting to get rid of him and that he wouldn't make it at the club. People aren't really saying that about Anderson, he's clearly talented enough to become a good midfielder for us in the long term, but people do expect too much from the lad.
I don't see the 'wrong' here, nor the Nani comparison, seeing as folks on here were shouting to get rid of him and that he wouldn't make it at the club. People aren't really saying that about Anderson, he's clearly talented enough to become a good midfielder for us in the long term, but people do expect too much from the lad.
Wilshire is 18 and looks every bit as good as Fabregas was at that age. The lad is clearly mega talented and I'd absolutely love to have him here instead of Arsenal.
Personally I am getting everything I've ever expected from him since we started converting him to a center midfielder. The conversion is IMHO 1 full pre-season away from being complete. Then this talk that he is overrated will die a deserved death.
So you think he'll become one of the worlds best midfielders?
I think he'll become a very good midfielder, just not quite what everyone expected when he got here on the back of the huge transfer fee and hype. I agree with the pre-season thing, I'm sure if he gets that next year it'll help big time.
I think he'll become a very good midfielder, just not quite what everyone expected when he got here on the back of the huge transfer fee and hype. I agree with the pre-season thing, I'm sure if he gets that next year it'll help big time.
Anderson is not a CM. End of.
Yes. No doubt in my mind.
Fair enough then. I don't think he'll hit quite those heights, but he'll become an important player for the club.
Fair enough.
If you want to get into a statfest about Anderson's performance, 17 passes in 55 minutes is shocking. Carrick made between 2 and 3 times as many passes, despite only playing for 30 minutes longer.
Standard away performance from Anderson, unfortunately. Completely peripheral to the action, letting the game pass him by. No wonder Fergie gave him the hook. For all that Park isn't used to playing in the centre (and cost us a goal) himself and Carrick did at least put pressure on Ramsey and Wilshere for the first time in the game. They were strolling it for almost the entire first half.
How do you figure that out? Wilshere is already the better player and he's what? 3 years younger?
Because this isn't bloody football manager. Anderson's full potential matches Wilshire's.
I'd agree he is the better player but the hype he's getting may yet prove to be something of a huge weight round his neck. But that's the English media for you
Sure but every mega talented player that many would love here aren't as good as Fabregas. I don't think he looks as good as him. A level below IMO. Top talent, but not as good.
If we're judging potential yes I'd agree, but we need to look at what's being delivered right now, and that is Wilshere does produce more consistently than Anderson...but they both need to improve a whole lot more on their shooting
In those 30 extra minutes he had on the pitch United did more attacking than they did with Anderson was still on the pitch. So even that point doesn't support your earlier arguments at all. We were never over ran in midfield at any point to the extent that it became one way traffic nor did we spent loads of time making last ditch tackles in front of our box.
Firstly, Park was only put in the middle because SAF thought we had enough control of the game to become more ambitious and go for the win, not because Anderson was poor. Second, Park and Carrick put more pressure on Wilshere and co because we were 1-0 down and switched tactics permanently to attack mode. Not for any other reasons.
WTF has football manager got to do with what I just said?
Of course the thing about him being better at a younger age. It's irrelevant because I'm talking about potential. I think Anderson has as much. Players don't progress at a constant rate or similar rate. Different players mature in a different way. Wilshere won't be better than all the players who weren't as good as him when they were 18.
No doubt. I was merely talking about potential.
Coped well so far. He's a cocky little bastard.
I think he'll be the best midfielder in the Premiership in 3 or 4 years.
Nope. Still don't get the reference. I've never played Football Manager, though, which might explain why.
As for Anderson vs Wilshere perhaps you can explain on what basis you can be so confident that a teenager who already looks a much better player than a 22 year old will definitely become the worse player of the two? Only that completely flies in the face of common sense.
That's odd. I've seen you rant about these things plenty yourself.
I think you should re-read the post of mine that's causing you so much trouble.
For the same reason the many players who looked better than a 22 year old Zidane and Xavi for example, were left in the dust by them several years later. Real life doesn't work that way. Looking better at a younger age doesn't always translate into being better in the longer term.
All I know about football manager is it's the cause of annoying acronyms like ACM and fuels the transfer fantasies of our most muppety muppets. Still don't get your reference but meh, whatever.
Better than, match, whatever. The question stands. Any chance you could answer it?
Wilshere's class, its not offensive to say he's a better player than Anderson at this moment in time. I think Wilshere is the more complete player, more sharper and smarter in his work in midfield but Anderson seriously just needs to get fit and try to play a whole season without injury for him to really make a mark.. if he's unable to put in the hard yards, he'll be shifted out of OT.. end of.
Exactly.
Because he's got no apparent weakness in his game, talent-wise barring shooting which seems to also be a big confidence issue. At it's best of course. If he can put it together he will be a beast of a player and incredibly complete.
this anderson needs to get fit line bothers me, he´s a pro footballer, he really shouldnt have a problem getting fit,even after injury.
I really find it odd when I have to explain why I think Anderson is super talented. It's not as if I'm saying he'll match Zidane or fat Ronaldo.
Yeah, but noone actually thinks it's offensive to say that.
Anderson has no apparent weakness in his game? Righto.
True but it is what it is, he is unfit.. and its a problem that consistently plagues him.. combination of bad luck and lack of application.
Didn't say anyone did, was just trying to say that its not really an outlandish statement by any means to say Wilshere is the superior talent.
Not a feckin' hope. I wish I am wrong though
A comparison with Wilshere is inherently unfair, as is/was the comparison with Fabregas (Anderson has not and will never shit on him).
The thing is, Anderson could well still turn out better than any other central midfielder in our squad (bar Scholes). Which is more than good enough for a long and productive career at the club. He still hasn't had a full pre-season with us, which might be a factor in the poor fitness and all the injuries. Next season is a big one for him though, as it will be his first full pre-season. He needs to up his game and start showing some consistency. Fingers crossed he'll do exactly that.
The thing is, Anderson could well still turn out better than any other central midfielder in our squad (bar Scholes). Which is more than good enough for a long and productive career at the club. He still hasn't had a full pre-season with us, which might be a factor in the poor fitness and all the injuries. Next season is a big one for him though, as it will be his first full pre-season. He needs to up his game and start showing some consistency. Fingers crossed he'll do exactly that.
Full potential. FFS
Posters still banging on about "full potential" in his fourth season. He's 23. Needs to show this "full potential" we keep hearing about or he'll end up just another squad player.
Jordi Cruyff had "full potential" as well.
Posters still banging on about "full potential" in his fourth season. He's 23. Needs to show this "full potential" we keep hearing about or he'll end up just another squad player.
Jordi Cruyff had "full potential" as well.
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