Berbatov vs Van Persie
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I don't think anyone's said that. I think a few have said he's got a better first touch - and I don't think that's completely outrageous - and even then at least one of those few has qualified that by saying Van Persie's technically right up there. I think there's possiblly only one person who's implied that he's not on Berbatov's level technically, if even. It's true what they say, you read what you want to read...
I think a.temp ban which he served a year ago helep him change his mind
That was a heated debate with Pogue - thought it was par for the course and initiation ceremony with Pogue.
Only the most die hard hater would not give credit where its due to Berba this year.
I think the difference is, if we had RvP, he would probably be starting vs. barca.
That's very insensitive if you're not aware of Pogue's 'difficult' upbringing.
I'm one of Berbatov's biggest supporters and though he's a cracking player, Van Persie is better. But as has been said, he just isn't fit often enough to be considered one of the best in the world because he never does it consistently for any length of time.
If we had RvP he'd probably be injured for the match against Barca.
If van Persie stayed fit - you'd lose your foot
.....or probably both of them.
Always been obvious to me if he was not as injury prone as he is - we'd be looking at 30 goals per season from him and at this level, in this league, that'd put him in the top five strikers in the world .
Just my opinion mind
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Why the hell not? This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever! Basically you are saying they are legitimate goals but they don't, or shouldn't, count toward a goal tally when in all honesty I suspect had Berbatov's tally consisted of five or so penalties, you certainly would have considered them alright then.
Why does the former have the latter formerly latterised or whatever it was you said, it makes no sense mate, it takes as much mettle and craft to take a penalty than it does to stick any ball in the net from open play. In fact taking a penalty is more daunting in my opinion due to the anticipation than from having a shot from the same distance after receiving the ball in open play as you have the momentum and instinct, fear doesn't kick in.
it is always polemic with Berbatov...
The way you presented the point made it seem like Berbatov was, on the whole, overrated. I think you'll find that the most common majority opinion throughout his time has been that he's either not good enough, not suited to the team or doesn't have the mentality for it. I'd even go as far to say that a majority would have been happy to see him leave last summer, and if not that, then at least they'd have been indifferent to the idea. I think the thread starter was even in this majority. The criticism of him this season has died down a lot but the praise hasn't really amped up to the same degree, nor has it lasted for as long a time, thus I can't understand how the overall opinion is 'overrated by your lot'.
Being overrated by a small section of fans isn't really the same, and if it was the point you were making I don't really understand why you would, because every player of every team has a small section of fans that 'overrate' them.
Being overrated by a small section of fans isn't really the same, and if it was the point you were making I don't really understand why you would, because every player of every team has a small section of fans that 'overrate' them.
I wouldn't be 'happy' to see Berbatov leave but I'd be disappointed in the fact I don't think he's been the player many thought he'd be as even with the goals he's scored this year, he still didn't produce against the big teams in the business end.
Im sorry rewind a sec, when did Van Persie become a world class striker?? wasnt this the first season hes even reached double figures for Arsenal for christ sake?
World class striker my anus.
World class striker my anus.
I'm pretty sure you've told us that before somewhere. In fact, I think you've pretty much told us that in this thread already. Regardless, let's all be happy that even if he's not been the player many thought he'd be, he certainly hasn't been the player you thought he was this summer when you proclaimed him an undeniable flop.
Technically he's reached double figures in every season he's been at the club.
Technically he's reached double figures in every season he's been at the club.
I'd say he was disappointing in his first two seasons, so saying he was a 'flop' last summer wouldn't have been a bolt from the blue and whilst I happily state he had a great two-thirds of the season this year, it's disappointing that again he's not been able to significantly contribute in the title run-in, the FA Cup run-in or the Champions League run-in, whether it be for lack of form, inability to take opportunities when given or lack of faith in him from the manager in the big games...
Yes, we know all that. As I said, let's just be glad that he can't really be called a flop any more, even if he still hasn't reached the expectations of many.
That's probably true
Also, we could realistically only compare them both if they played on the same team, club or country
YOu'd never know how would Berba do at Arsenal. RvP is a cracking player who, when fit is a joy to watch, but he'd lose his place to Chicharito with the way we play at the moment.
And who is to say Berba wouldn't fit even better at Arsenal than Van Persie
RvP is the better lone striker. I could give him that. Berba's weak there
I think Van Persie would be a good fit for United, he plays quite similarly to Saha, there is a physical resemblance too as both tall and slim although one's darker then t'other obviously, but getting back to the playing comparison, RVP likes to run with the ball, good with either foot so I can't see why he wouldn't be a good fit at United, I think he'd actually be a better fit in terms of the way he plays than Berbatov is.
I'm not keen on RVP personally though, bit of an eejit...
He could be a good fit for United. My point is, Chicharito has exceptional movement on and off the ball. One I haven't seen for years. Can't replace that
With Rooney's energy and in the hole, we can play 2 wingers again, although rather defensive wingers, in a 4-4-2..sort of. With RvP..not so much
Well...I dunno, I think RVP could easily play well in a 4-4-2 or even a 4-3-3 but yeah, I think the best options are certainly Rooney & Hernandez as they work so well together, so much so they have been the better partnership in the last few months than other big teams.
RVP has had no support at Arsenal from Chamakh or Bendtner.
Torres has been a joke and Drogba has been off form this year.
Ronaldo has far outshone Benzema who has been stop-start with Higuain injured.
And Villa has been in and out compared to Messi who has been almost a one-man show.
So yeah, I think Rooney and Hernandez have been the best strike partnership around the past few months...
Van Persie's a better (and more versatile) player than Berbatov, that much is clear. Though Van Persie isn't that much use when he's out for half the season, every season.
Don't be a fecking idiot. Van Persie's always had the talent to be one of the best, but has never been able to have a sustained crack at it through various, and persistent, injury troubles.
He showed last season, and the season before that though that he was when he finally strung a few games together. Not to mention this season too.
Granted the term World Class is ambiguous, are we talking top 5? Top 10? Best players for their nations?
How many assists has Berbatov gotten in that time?
5 freekicks? In about 5 years I suspect going by one of the jerseys. And while I'm sure he's scored more than that I do think you're overrating his consistency in that area.
You make the point that Berbatov has never been our penalty taker, then criticise him for not "getting back on the horse"? I'm sure he'd love to take penalties, as in his Spurs day he took a few, but when he joined us there were plenty of suitable options for penalties here.
This is probably what seals it for RVP. United are clearly the better team, as evidenced by their success. So it's only natural he would do better with our squad. The matter of him being suitable for the team is probably not a matter at all, as he seems to be just the type of player that would thrive with us, not speaking personality wise though.
Bob, he's taken one in a shoot-out against Everton and we know how that went.
His head always notoriously drops when he's not getting chances or if he scuffs one, take Blackburn last season, the City semi-final this year.
Hernandez, Rooney, Henry, Shearer etc missed chances and they got back on the horse and cracked on with their jobs, not let their heads drop...
Train wreck of a post.
And you were correct, no he hasn't only scored 5 free-kicks in 5 years, ridiculous comment. He really does consistently hit the target.
You're naming 3 very clinical strikers in that bunch. And while it would be handy to have Berba with similar attributes, it's not nor will it ever be the player that he is. You know that by now, and wishing doesn't make it so. You expect things from him that he doesn't look to achieve. He admits himself he's a provider, regardless of whether or not he has the Golden Boot this year.
They are the same type of player. Van Piersie is just the superior finisher.
Admittedly yes, I might have used better examples but do you yourself admit he let's his head go west after he misses chances? Do you admit he's never produced for us in Europe or in the league games against important rivals in March, April & May between 2009-2011?
Do you admit he was bought to provide that 'something different' (whatever that is) to unlock defences in these games against these big teams, not just against the likes of Birmingham and Blackpool?
and not a slow-arse.
I've seen him score some good goals for the Netherlands too.
True.
Fergie won't be pursuing any 27 year old players costing so much in future.
Well, I'd like to see 27 year old Sneijder at United but considering his wage demands for a start, it may be a no-go, and if you read The Sun other than stare at the lass on Page Three, they say this;
Inter Milan star Wesley Sneijder rules himself out of a move to Manchester United | The Sun |Sport|Football
Yes I'm fully able to admit that he hasn't fully provided what was initally expected by me and everyone esle, but that's not to say he's been a failure. He's definitely improved this season so the futures Orange™
I wish I shared your view brother Robert, but I think he's peaked for us. I see the glass half empty and declare despite having a better season this year, the overall view is he's been more poor than effective in his three seasons with us.
And I think Hernandez will be the starting accompaniment to Wayne Rooney from here on in, he may get the odd start (if he stays) but will always be a squad member, nowt more.
Keep hope alive. I wish to see the Berba of old volleying goals left right and centre. Look at this shit like
That's what he's capable of, regardless of how fast he can't run or how tenacious he isn't. Just needs to pull the trigger quicker, rather than dilly dally running backwards. He's trying to hard to be that provider
Top scorer in the league. Scored more winners than anyone else. It really kills Johnno, doesn't it.
Top scorer in the league. Scored more winners than anyone else. It really kills Johnno, doesn't it.
No, it doesn't Lance, I'm truly happy about that.
What kills me is his performances when it matters more against City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Europe etc.
I've said loads of times no-one will be more happier than me were he to come off the bench Saturday night and do a Teddy. But the likelihood of that happening are slim really, aren't they?
I know you say nobody would be happier than you if Berbatov became the hero but that's a crock dude. You'd still wish it was someone else that did it