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Ya he's much too fat
 
How does Anderson's future in a United shirt look then? He had a great first season but has been (in my opinion) not up to United's high standards in recent years.

He needs to lose weight if he does want to feature regulary, I know that much.

He's not overweight.

Also, this was his best season IMO. He was absolutely awful away from home but at home he's been consistantly very good.
 
Think he's getting lost in the midst because of all the transfer talk and the need for a midfielder, but SAF will not lose faith yet, that's for sure. The boy can definitely still play a big part next season if he gets himself a good pre-season (which I believe he has never had? ) and hopefully in years to come
 
Anderson and Carrick will be our first choice midfield duo come the start of the season and by the end of the season Anderson will have achieved near first name on the team sheet status while the likes of Modric and Sneijder are but faint memories of a summer past.
 
Anderson and Carrick will be our first choice midfield duo come the start of the season and by the end of the season Anderson will have achieved near first name on the team sheet status while the likes of Modric and Sneijder are but faint memories of a summer past.

I genuinely hope not, not because i dont rate Anderson because i do but that would mean we hadn't signed any quality midfield player and would be going into the season with Anderson/Carrick/Fletcher/Giggs as our only 4 established midfield players.

That would be a concern surely?
 
I genuinely hope not, not because i dont rate Anderson because i do but that would mean we hadn't signed any quality midfield player and would be going into the season with Anderson/Carrick/Fletcher/Giggs as our only 4 established midfield players.

That would be a concern surely?

If we began the season with only four central midfielders then that would be a concern yes. Even with Jones and Park who can play in the middle I would not be comfortable with less than five central midfielders in the squad.

However I would not be particularly concerned if Anderson was our first choice creative central option come next season. We have the backup plan of Giggs for at least one more season and I believe that puts us in a good position to trust Anderson and back him to succeed. Especially if we bring in someone like Defour who can play as either the more creative or the more defensive of the midfield duo, the combinations of Carrick, Fletcher, Giggs and Defour (or someone similar) are good enough, even if Anderson doesn't pan out.

If it then turns out Anderson cannot take the step up to the next level then we can look to bring in an expensive established name next summer. Paying the kind of sum required to bring in a Modric or Sneijder this summer while we (or at least I) still have the belief that Anderson can step up to that level seems premature to me.
 
I still have faith that he'll turn into a quality player but I wouldn't exactly want to rely on him to produce the goods next season, from a creative point of view. He's still too inconsistent away from home for us to even think about doing that. Ideally we'd sign a creative player which plays quite deep so they can slot in next to Anderson. Banega please.
 
I still have faith that he'll turn into a quality player but I wouldn't exactly want to rely on him to produce the goods next season, from a creative point of view. He's still too inconsistent away from home for us to even think about doing that. Ideally we'd sign a creative player which plays quite deep so they can slot in next to Anderson. Banega please.

Exactly my stane on this, i hope Anderson gets lots of game time next season as hes clearly got the ability to be brilliant for us, but going into the season relying on him as first choice? thats very dangerous and not something i would have thought Sir alex would like in an ideal world.

I dont see it happening either tbh, i dont see us losing Scholes, Gibson and Hargreaves in the same window and not signing at least 1 central midfield player, having just 4 one of whom being a 37 year old converted winger is far from ideal, not to mention Andersons injury problems and liking of the 3 man central midfield in europe.

Nope we surely will sign a midfielder.
 
If it then turns out Anderson cannot take the step up to the next level then we can look to bring in an expensive established name next summer. Paying the kind of sum required to bring in a Modric or Sneijder this summer while we (or at least I) still have the belief that Anderson can step up to that level seems premature to me.

To be gifted with such a talent is both good and bad. Ando has been a (future) star since he was 15 years old. Up till now his superior physique and acceleration has taken him to this level, but now it's time for him to step up to next level. To be a player who can deliver a whole season.

To do this he needs to understand that from now on it's hard work if he's going to be Scholes successor. He needs to improve his stamina, this is his biggest issue.

Ando is a special talent, but I 'm sure both Sir Alex and the club expect more from him.
 
I think next season in the one where he makes a name for himself. 2011/12 to Anderson will be what 2010/11 was to Nani.
 
I don't think stamina is his biggest issue. I think it's more about being smarter about how he uses his energy. To me when people say at the 60/70 min mark tire out, it's either because he's just come back and is playing his way back to match fitness or more so that in a lot of games he plays too much at full tilt for those first 60 odd minutes.

If he can pick and choose his moments to burst forward or even when he really needs to close down someone, he will last longer through game.

The biggest issue I still see with him is translating what he sees with actually passing the ball with the right weight - which IMO has been better this season when he played a few games in a row. If next season he is injury free and we don't over rotate our CM, then I think he'll ingrain that "feel" for what he is trying to accomplish with the ball. I really do hope to see a few more games next season with him and Carrick in a midfield 2 and if not then Carrick, Ando, Fletch when we just play 1 striker.

It's going to be a big season for him I feel - especially with finally having a summer off with no injury issues. Hope watching Brazil play and not being picked will put a fire in his belly.
 
I think next season in the one where he makes a name for himself. 2011/12 to Anderson will be what 2010/11 was to Nani.

This is probably the third year in a row somebody has predicted big things of Anderson. Truth is he has barely progressed in 4 years at the club.
 
I think next season in the one where he makes a name for himself. 2011/12 to Anderson will be what 2010/11 was to Nani.

We've been saying that for the past 3 seasons.
 
I think next season in the one where he makes a name for himself. 2011/12 to Anderson will be what 2010/11 was to Nani.

dunno if he will get any better, i think he'll be kept but depending on who comes in he might find himself down the pecking order at the club.

And nani was only good for half the season just gone....ando needs to find better form than that to have a realisitic chance of getting a new contract next year
 
I was happy to see that he found the back of the net a couple of times at the end of the year. I still think we need a quality midfielder, but the presence of Anderson makes this need less urgent. Central midfielders blossom a bit later than strikers or wingers, and I'm not at all worried about Anderson. Personally, I think he's quality and would rather see him playing than Charlie Adam, Banega or Kagawa.
 
I don't think stamina is his biggest issue. I think it's more about being smarter about how he uses his energy. To me when people say at the 60/70 min mark tire out, it's either because he's just come back and is playing his way back to match fitness or more so that in a lot of games he plays too much at full tilt for those first 60 odd minutes.

If he can pick and choose his moments to burst forward or even when he really needs to close down someone, he will last longer through game.

To be honest I think he's done much better of this of late.

Go back through the reports of him this season and you'll see that he now conserves energy for the first 20 minutes or so and then studies and comes into the game and starts to run the game from there.

I've seen him still control the game at the 90th minute this season.
 
dunno if he will get any better, i think he'll be kept but depending on who comes in he might find himself down the pecking order at the club.

And nani was only good for half the season just gone....ando needs to find better form than that to have a realisitic chance of getting a new contract next year

Half the season? piss off....

He played well all the way up to the Bolton home game pal when he forced our winning goal. The Bolton game was on the 19th March.

Funny how football myths get born eh.

Oh and he just got named PPOTY, not because he had a good "half season" ffs.
 
Roy Keane came to United aged 23.

Anderson has already chalked up 3 league winners medals, 2 league cups and a CL winners medal by the same age and played over 100 games for us despite missing a chunk with a cruciate ligament injury.

In flashes he shows what he can offer us as a possible box to box midfielder. I think he's worth hanging onto for a couple more seasons at least. I'd ship Carrick out the door long before Anderson.

I don't know about shipping out Carrick because I think he played some of the best football I've seen from him for some time during the title run in. I do agree with you about Ando though.

I mentioned elsewhere that we, as United fans, probably expect too much from young players because of the way the class of 92 clouded our expectations. Anderson, as you say, is still young and still has room to grow. The example I like to use when it comes to Ando is that of Riqueleme.

Nobody would argue that Riqueleme wasn't one of the world's best midfielders at his peak. People still argue that Argentina would've held their lead against Germany had Riquelme not been subbed off in the last 8 of the 2006 World Cup and gone on to win the tournament.

But Riqueleme was older than Anderson is now when he was being booted out of Barcelona as an expensive flop. Not everyone develops as fast as Rooney and Ronaldo.

Anderson has showed he has the goods. Yes, he's been inconsistent but with age he's getting less so. Last season before he got injured at winter he was first XI and when he returned to the side he was red hot barring the Arsenal away game (in which nobody played well).

From Ando's MOM performance at home against Everton he continually played well and he also added goals to his game over the last month or so to the season as well. If that's not demonstrable progress what is? Give him time and I know Anderson will evolve into a world class box-to-box midfielder.
 
Doesn't really matter. Unless of course, you're the oracle on all things football.

Well, I did predict that Carlton Cole would go on to be a first teamer at Chelsea, and that the Ivory Coast would get into the top four of the 2010 World Cup.

I've got to start getting them right soon.
 
Half the season? piss off....

He played well all the way up to the Bolton home game pal when he forced our winning goal. The Bolton game was on the 19th March.

Funny how football myths get born eh.

Oh and he just got named PPOTY, not because he had a good "half season" ffs.

so its ok he went missing for the last 2 months of the season?
He was picked for the CL final becasue he was PPOTY ?

look this isnt about nani anyway is it....Pal!

If Anderson is to be the player United need in the middle he has to be consistent from august to the end of may, give or take a couple of games.
United have a vacumm to fill now that scholes is gone. Anderson has a chance to be that player but he needs to improve. Alot.
 
No it wasn't ok, I didn't argue that. I simply argued that your "half season" bollox was exactly that.... bollox.

dont get your knickers in a twist

the point im making is that a player must perform all season, be consistent and relaible, not drift in and out of form.

i exaggerated a bit with the half season yeah but the point is still valid.
 
dont get your knickers in a twist

the point im making is that a player must perform all season, be consistent and relaible, not drift in and out of form.

i exaggerated a bit with the half season yeah but the point is still valid.

Not too many players play an entire season without a dip in form. In fairness to Nani he did Jan 2010 to March 2011 before having a couple of off months.

You're a harsh critic McGrath.

David Villa, Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez, Zlatan, Nasri all had off patches last season, it's pretty normal. Not every attacking player is a Ronaldo or Messi.
 
Not too many players play an entire season without a dip in form. In fairness to Nani he did Jan 2010 to March 2011 before having a couple of off months.

You're a harsh critic McGrath.

David Villa, Wayne Rooney, Carlos Tevez, Zlatan, Nasri all had off patches last season, it's pretty normal. Not every attacking player is a Ronaldo or Messi.

ah i know but im pissed off with the fact that barca pissed all over us again and nani was the 1st player i thought of, he's an easy target.
I know its silly but i cant get over thinking keane and scholes in their pomp would have given barca serious headaches.

I would really like to look forward to something other than carrick and fletcher again this year. With a different type player it could be the different dimension needed. Anderson isnt there yet and I have me doubts that he will get there.
 
dont get your knickers in a twist

the point im making is that a player must perform all season, be consistent and relaible, not drift in and out of form.

i exaggerated a bit with the half season yeah but the point is still valid.

It's not. Not even close.
This consistency shit is about the most annoying thing related to Nani. Because he was injured and wasnt able to come back as well as before and didnt get that many games for the LAST 2 months he lacks consistency and is not reliable?
He was one of if not the best player for us this season.

ah i know but im pissed off with the fact that barca pissed all over us again and nani was the 1st player i thought of, he's an easy target.

Hugh? How is he an easy target? And why is he, who actually didnt even play for most of that game, the first player you think of when thinking about how Barca destroyed us?
 
Its make or break for Ando this year, no doubt. If we go into this season without bringing someone in, it could be the making of him or it could be the difference between us challenging for the title...

personally i think the lad has the technical ability, just not the maturity... he seems like a kid in that sense, i could be wrong but its just the impression i get. I have a feeling he will be a late bloomer, maybe reaching his peak when he is 29-32 ish.
 
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