19 children and 2 teachers killed in Texas school shooting (24 May 2022)

What was learned from the George Floyd incident??

Why will this be any different??
 
Sending thoughts and prayers. That should do it.
 
MUW4Eva said:
What was learned from the George Floyd incident??

Why will this be any different??
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To be fair, I believe the way he was subdued was fairly common in most police tactics and that has been changed. The Breonna Taylor incident has changed how (and if) many police departments execute no knock warrants. Not nearly enough has changed but I think there are changes.
 
MarylandMUFan said:
To be fair, I believe the way he was subdued was fairly common in most police tactics and that has been changed. The Breonna Taylor incident has changed how (and if) many police departments execute no knock warrants. Not nearly enough has changed but I think there are changes.
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I never understood the no knock warrant stuff (why it's legal in the first place).
 
VorZakone said:
I never understood the no knock warrant stuff (why it's legal in the first place).
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I could see a scenario where you have hard evidence that there is a threat (people with guns) and you want to surprise them in the middle of the night but it's clear, real life (and our police forces) are not like it is in the movies. Better to secure the area, safely knock and then bring everyone out safely (might take a longer period of time but you are not risking your officers life or innocent lives).
 
calodo2003 said:
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Didn't want to read it but made myself. Think everyone should.

I can't believe police were on the scene engaging with the shooter 2 minutes after he entered the school. Damn.

You'd half expect any decent human to consider sacrificing their life to save little kids. Let alone the police.

Rather than ask if they could have saved lives by acting sooner, I'd ask how many lives would have been saved if they hadn't been there at all. Sounds like parents would have rushed the school. Probably they'd have done a better job.
 
The first duty of UK police officers is to preserve life.

There is a lot to say about UK policing but, genuine question - is this first duty the same in US states too? I imagine it must be?
 
Frosty said:
The first duty of UK police officers is to preserve life.

There is a lot to say about UK policing but, genuine question - is this first duty the same in US states too? I imagine it must be?
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In theory, yes. The main problem in the US is the very low amount of time spent in training to make sure cops are mentally and physically ready to intervene.

British specialist firearms officers (SFOs) would not hesitate for one second if an active shooter is wrecking havoc. That is also because SFOs are trained and regularly assessed to be mentally and physically fit as the cream of the crop while most British police officers don't carry firearms on the job.
 
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Frosty said:
The first duty of UK police officers is to preserve life.

There is a lot to say about UK policing but, genuine question - is this first duty the same in US states too? I imagine it must be?
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How long does it take someone to become a cop in the UK? In Norway it's a three-year full-time bachelor's degree which includes stuff like ethics and empathy. It varies in the US, but I know it can be as short as a couple of months in some places. On top of everything else that is wrong with American policing, I think you'll find a lot of the reasons there.
 
nimic said:
How long does it take someone to become a cop in the UK? In Norway it's a three-year full-time bachelor's degree which includes stuff like ethics and empathy. It varies in the US, but I know it can be as short as a couple of months in some places. On top of everything else that is wrong with American policing, I think you'll find a lot of the reasons there.
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Could be the biggest flaw / failure in the American policing system, the intake of too many horribly unacceptable new recruits.
 
nimic said:
How long does it take someone to become a cop in the UK? In Norway it's a three-year full-time bachelor's degree which includes stuff like ethics and empathy. It varies in the US, but I know it can be as short as a couple of months in some places. On top of everything else that is wrong with American policing, I think you'll find a lot of the reasons there.
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There are a variety of routes to entry - not all degree based:

https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/job-profiles/police-officer

A degree holder can undertake a two year work-based training programme to become an officer:

https://www.joiningthepolice.co.uk/...cing/degree-holder-detective-entry-programmes

From the sounds of it I think Norway looks more thorough and requires more hours of training.
 
Really is frustrating reading that the police basically just sat back and watched as more people were killed. Really hope the person responsible for that order is kicked off the force. The expectation is that the police are their to risk their lives in order to attempt to save others. Yet these guys put themselves above a bunch of school kids.
 
So with more facts coming out, does the police look better or worse?
 
calodo2003 said:
Don’t think there’s anything possible that could paint the police in a better light.
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Tbf I dont think anything could paint them in worse light either. Unless it turns out they assisted the shooter in finding a classroom with more kids in it.
 
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