A people's Revolution

Or maybe just reporting the news?

Are you suggesting they've made it up?
 
Rush Limbaugh further proving he's a waste of human life:

The BRAD BLOG : Limbaugh Jokes About Detention of NYT Journalists, Until He Learns Fox 'News' Reporters Hospitalized

Rush Limbaugh is a disgusting human being. But you probably knew that. If you didn't, audio from his show today --- which is broadcast over our public airwaves to some 15 million Americans a day, and even over U.S. Armed Forces Radio --- makes it as clear as ever.

First, as highlighted by Media Matters, Limbaugh made light of foreign journalists, including two reporters from the New York Times, being rounded-up in Cairo today because being detained while covering a story of huge import to this nation and the world, by a regime that has spent decades torturing such people is, of course, hilarious...



LIMBAUGH: Ladies and gentlemen, it is being breathlessly reported that the Egyptian army --- Snerdley, have you heard this? The Egyptian army is rounding up foreign journalists.
I mean, even two New York Times reporters were detained. Now, this is supposed to make us feel what, exactly? How we supposed to feel? Are we supposed to feel outrage over it? I don't feel any outrage over it. Are we supposed to feel anger? I don't feel any anger over this. Do we feel happy? Well --- uh --- do we feel kind of going like, "neh-neh-neh-neh"?

I'm sure that your emotions are running the gamut when you hear that two New York Times reporters have been detained along with other journalists in Egypt. Remember now, we're supporting the people who are doing this.

Next, later on in the very the same show, after he's learned that two Fox "News" reporters had been beaten and hospitalized following detention in Egypt, suddenly Rush gives a damn, and says he was just "kidding before about The New York Times"...

LIMBAUGH: According to Mediaite, Fox News' Greg Palkot and crew have been severely beaten and are now hospitalized in Cairo. Now we were kidding before about The New York Times, of course. This kind of stuff is terrible. We wouldn't wish this kind of thing even on reporters.
Moral depravity. As appalling as it gets.

For the record, as White House correspondent Paul Brandus tweeted last night as the round-up was beginning, "79 journalists were killed around the world last year - just for trying to tell a story."

According to the Committee to Protect Journalists, 849 journalists have been killed since 1992. Isn't that hysterical, Rush?
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I'm not a defender of Fox News. I just fail to see the point Avatar was trying to make.
 
What I think he was insinuating was that the Fox news story had only shown the anti-government protests in a negative light, portraying them as killers and assassins. Even though there's no real concrete evidence and they're only going by their 'sources'. So they're playing into the hands of the Mubarak government with their unsubstantial stories.
 
Diabo_Sam said:
This happened last friday, it is really scary..




allah ma3kom ya masryeen..
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Apparently it was an American diplomatic van that was stolen. CNN just showed the video and said it had been stolen during the protests. :(
 
Some very positive comments on CNN a short while ago regards behind the scene talks of getting Mubarak out soon, like next 10 days or something, didnt catch the whole broadcast
 
It doesn't look like the Americans will be welcome in Egypt anytime soon. It is awful and heartbreaking to see what has happened.



I think I will title my next commentary as...


Is President Barak Obama Out of His Motherfecking Mind?!​


It wouldn't take a doctorate in political science or middle-eastern affairs to comprehend the colossal screw-up it is to be supporting the idea of Omar Suleiman as the key person to oversee a transition of power in Egypt. VP Omar Suleiman has been the poster-boy for torture in the Middle-East.

Now, when CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, the BBC and even Al Jazeera so naturally promote Suleiman as the only realistic person to take the reigns from Hosni Mubarak, they are neglecting to mention that he is a... welll... a fecking monster worse than Mubarak. He is worse because he's the guy that stood over the tortured bodies of a quite determined failed program of rendition.

The reason why CNN might be jeopardizing the safety of journalists with a clearly bias slant
At this very moment ... funny that CNN 'is' spinning this... Christiane Amanpour is saying that ''He is obviously a competent individual, and he has the trust of all these other officials around the world..."

Anderson plays the devil's advocate by saying... 'But the people don't trust him. They know that he ran Mubarak's intelligence program.' ~ Even Anderson softballed the full scope are what a monster this person Suleiman is most likely perceived to be in Egypt. (Maybe Avatar can shed some light)


The most shocking information that I uncovered about Omar Suleiman is his role in the Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi torture case which produced that 'false' information that had been amongst the most key testimony (under rendition) leading to the US govt. case to invade Iraq.

God knows what he has done domestically...

President Barak Obama should be speaking out against both Mubarak and Suleiman... there is no way Mubarak's right-(iron-fisted)hand should be trusted to deliver a fair and just democratic transition. Yes, this wreaks of CIA influence, but Obama should step in and draw a line. We no longer live in an age that these things will pass as unnoticed. The Egyptian people are an educated people that will not stand for an equally evil monster to that of Mubarak.


There is a valid argument that the rendition partnership between the USA and Egypt has been more of a failure than a success. If anything... the western media should not be backing this option of a Suleiman transition... it isn't going to fly and it will only cause more resentment amongst an already angry Egyptian population. The western media does ok when they say it is unpredictable and there is no knowing which way this will turn... but supporting this person that made a living at working with the CIA in the purpose of torturing people... not very bright.

Ok... my rant is done.


If anyone is going to say...'who would you think would be good to oversee the transition...?'

That Egyptian nuclear inspector guy that had been on the news a few days ago... He looked like a fair minded individual, and truly respected by the majority.


One more thing... I know, I know it is very Glen Beck of me, but the analogy is dead-on.

What the western media and President Obama are advocating would be equal to Adolph Hitler proposing that Joseph Mengala take over to see a peaceful way to end World War II
 
RedKaos;9260281[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/05/hillary-clinton-omar-suleiman-egypt said:
Egypt protests: Hillary Clinton signals US backing for Omar Suleiman | World news | guardian.co.uk[/url]
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If the present government gives an undertaking it will allow free and fair elections later in the year I'd say it's the best outcome. Peoples blood will not have been lost in vain. Any other outcome would leave a vacuum, or give military reasons to take over.

Political parties also need time to organise for any elections.
 
Informed Comment: Thoughts on the Middle East, History and Religion

Top Ten Accomplishments of Egypt Demonstrators

Posted on 02/05/2011 by Juan

The protest movement in Egypt scored several victories on Friday, but did not actually succeed in getting President Hosni Mubarak to step down. Their accomplishments include:

1. The hundreds of thousands (the Egyptian Arabic press is saying a million nationwide) of demonstrators showed that they had not been cowed by the vicious attacks of Ministry of Interior goons on Wednesday and Thursday, which killed 7 and wounded over 1,000.


Tahrir Square

2. By their determination and steadfastness, they put the Egyptian army in the position of having to protect them from further attacks by the petty criminals and plainclothes secret police deployed by the Interior Ministry. The alternative would have been a bloodbath that could have destabilized the country and would have attracted further international condemnation.

3. They showed that they still have substantial momentum and that the cosmetic changes made in the government (switching out corrupt businessmen for authoritarian generals as cabinet ministers) have not actually met their demands for reform.

4. They showed that they are a broad-based, multi-class movement, with working-class Egyptians clearly making up a significant proportion of the crowd in Tahrir Square.

5. They demonstrated that they are a nation-wide movement, bringing hundreds of thousands out in Alexandria, Suez, Ismailiya, Mansoura, Luxor, Aswan and elsewhere.

6. They put pressure on the Obama administration to hold Mubarak’s feet to the fire about an early departure.

7. They so reassured Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan that they are the future of Egypt that he took the risk of calling for Mubarak to step down.

8. By making a Mubarak departure seem sure, they tempted new presidential candidates into the arena, as with the Secretary General of the Arab League, Amr Moussa, who visited the crowds at Tahrir Square to some acclaim.

9. The optimism created by crowd actions caused Nobel prize winner Mohamed Elbaradei to make an about-face and affirm that he would be willing to run for president if drafted.

10. Gave cover to to Ayman Nur of the Tomorrow (Ghad) Party and other leaders of opposition political parties to continue to demand Mubarak’s departure.
 
Sultan said:
If the present government gives an undertaking it will allow free and fair elections later in the year I'd say it's the best outcome. Peoples blood will not have been lost in vain. Any other outcome would leave a vacuum, or give military reasons to take over.

Political parties also need time to organise for any elections.
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That all makes sense but you have to consider it's Omer Suleiman here...essentially Mubarak's partner in crime. Having him in some caretaker role will be one huge step backwards....the man will most likely declare himself to be emergency ruler for another 20 years with Washington's backing come August, it's entirely predictable.
 
Breaking News: Top leadership of NDP, the ruling party, has resigned including Safwat el Sharif ,as old as Mubarak in the regime, and Gamal Mubarak !!!!
 
Breaking News: Hosni Mubarak resigns from presidency of the NDP !!!! pressure is working guys....ya rab
 
Mashallah!
 
CRAP.. State TV retracted its report about Mubarak's resignation !!:mad:


..and it was resignation from party not presidency guys
 
Frank Wisner the US's special envoy for Egypt has said Hosni Mubarak must stay in power for the time being to steer changes needed for political transition.

Ack he's regaining his momentum.
 
State dept. : Mr Wisner's views had not been co-ordinated with the US government.
 
The State dept's view is that Suleiman should be the man at the helm, it practically makes no difference. Same pig, different lipstick.
 
It is looking like the western governments and media are promoting Omar Suleiman with all they've got.

BBC News - Profile: Omar Suleiman

The public relations push is disgustingly bias in ignoring the most violent portions of Suleiman's portfolio. Omar Suleiman has a long history of torturing people captured by the USA, and brutally torturing his own people.


It is interesting that Sen. John Kerry is the person selected to promote Omar Suleiman as the person to take over and see things through to the next election. Anyone that knows enough about politics knows that Sen. John Kerry is an asshole. Point being he has nothing to lose by backing Suleiman.


My question to President Obama, today:

Is this your interpretation of an 'orderly transition'?


It is my opinion that the leaders that pull the strings in DC and London are fecking this up in the worst way.


Elbaradei is the best option to oversee the transition.

Exclusive! ElBaradei 'willing to run' – Parker Spitzer - CNN.com Blogs
 
Back from Tahrir.Didn't go inside.Spent time talking&debating with normal Egyptians outside who r worried about country & economy. Frankly speaking,I admit that we should take that into URGENT consideration. current stalemate is not helpful. we need to negotiate &reach a clear agreement: a road map with deadlines & clear aims..otherwise i fear the country getting more divided &people turning against the revolutionaries
 
The way the government appears to be approaching reform is through the framework of the existing constitution and government, which is why involvement of the military and Suleimon is important. It also ensures that it'll be a slow process but probably not as slow as tearing up the constitution, replacing it, and building the subsequent government.
 
I am with that..problem is people do not trust Soleiman or the government or anything related to the regime and you can't blame them.

We need some smart guys not the populists of the revolution to start working and moving forward now
 
Sir Matt said:
The way the government appears to be approaching reform is through the framework of the existing constitution and government, which is why involvement of the military and Suleimon is important. It also ensures that it'll be a slow process but probably not as slow as tearing up the constitution, replacing it, and building the subsequent government.
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As Mohammad Elbaradei has said in a recent interview, the assumption that the constitution is too important and that it will take a while is bullshit.

Elbaradei explains it as a simple suspension of the constitution in order to remove the corrupt and more violent elements of the Egyptian govt. The violence is not relenting. I am absolutely certain that the UN forces would be happy to assist in the transition towards a more peaceful and just governance.


The delay tactics are a combination of Mubarak's refusal to leave and probably that Zionist fears that Israel's partner countries of the USA and the UK will lose control of the puppet strings. The media is showing nothing other than pro-Suleiman propaganda.


The shame in all this is that the largest population is made to suffer for the sake of the comfort of one the smallest populated Middle-Eastern countries of Israel. This is only going to complicate matters and cause more resentment.
 
I think the Constitution is being adhered to and protected partially to prevent any unwanted changes from being instituted, like a more religious tone or an imbalanced government.

Unlike our Constitution, it wouldn't be acceptable for it to be written by a bunch of rather elite individuals behind closed doors. Writing a new Constitution would require some public input and need to be approved by the people, which could cause issues if there isn't enough agreement.

Also, I'm not up to speed entirely on the Egyptian Constitution, but is there a means of suspending it temporarily for such matters? If so, it seems like it could be abused pretty easily. I'm not saying it wouldn't be right to do so, but the implications of precedent could be damaging.

Also, Egypt doesn't want the UN to come in, imo. They're a "big boy" nation in the grander scheme of things and are too big to depend on the UN. Egypt doesn't want war with Israel any more than Israel wants it.
 
ooeat0meoo said:
The delay tactics are a combination of Mubarak's refusal to leave and probably that Zionist fears that Israel's partner countries of the USA and the UK will lose control of the puppet strings. The media is showing nothing other than pro-Suleiman propaganda.


The shame in all this is that the largest population is made to suffer for the sake of the comfort of one the smallest populated Middle-Eastern countries of Israel. This is only going to complicate matters and cause more resentment.
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The Arab world would have been fully democratic if it wasn't for them Jews, wouldn't it? As if we needed further proof that the Jews control the world.

Great work there, Bob. First the Jews hate blacks, and now they are responsible for suffering across the Arab world.
 
holyland red said:
The Arab world would have been fully democratic if it wasn't for them Jews, wouldn't it? As if we needed further proof that the Jews control the world.

Great work there, Bob. First the Jews hate blacks, and now they are responsible for suffering across the Arab world.
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He's not far off though - US policy here has always been determined what's best for Israel, not what's best for the Egyptian people. If they genuinely did care about the latter then they would have asked Mubarak to step down in the beginning of these protests.

Let's be honest - The Israelis would be delighted if Omar Suleiman were to become president, whereas the Egyptians despise the man as much as they despise Mubarak. Now remind me, who did the yanks back to inherit power?
 
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