A people's Revolution

Aye, and the aid to Israel is to keep Israel sweet, so as to maintain (and continually deepen) America's most useful relationship in the Middle East. Really, if an American is going to justify a particular focus on Israel because of US aid then they're need of an urgent lesson regarding wood and trees.

Holyland is right, the focus on Israel is utterly out of proportion, but by this point that's essentially unavoidable. You can't take an interest in global politics without ending up knowing way more about Israel, per-capita, than you do about damn near anywhere else. Earlier this year I read an 11,000 word profile of a newspaper with a circulation of just 70,000, published in a country I'll most likely never visit. That less than the Manchester Evening News, even on the days when they make you pay for it. It's the kind of thing that makes you stop and wonder. I think you have to be honest about the reasons, and therefore the agendas, behind this particular positive feedback loop, because Holyland has a point, there's an insane amount of hypocrisy going on.
 
I have some sympathy with this view - there's an element of bad faith among a lot of people who claim to care about human rights generally but are actually single-issue activists who are only really interested in Israel-Palestine.

But I think a pretty important difference is that Syria is an autocratic regime and something of a pariah state, whereas Israel is a democracy and a recipient of billions of dollars in US aid. Many of Israel's critics therefore either a) expect more of Israel than of the likes of Syria, or b) are angered as much by the hypocrisy of the US trumpeting human rights, while bankrolling the Israelis / committing atrocities of their own, as by human rights violations per se.

I sort of understand your need to balance your first paragraph with the inevitable second. I will accept it as both Assad's regime and Israel would cease to exist if they don't take the measures either has taken. However to attribute the attention Israel's getting here to "atrocities" is daft- was the flotilla raid an "atrocity"? How about the recent clashes at the Golan border? Both started 48h 10page-plus frenzies (although admittedly they include a nice chunk of my post count) whereas Assad is shelling residential areas and it doesn't get a notice.

Watch the usual suspects making a swift comeback next time the Israeli-Palestinian shit kicks off (most probably next month).
 
The UN Security Council met two weeks ago and concluded

“The Security Council reaffirms its strong commitment to the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of Syria. It stresses that the only solution to the current crisis in Syria is through an inclusive and Syrian-led political process, with the aim of effectively addressing the legitimate aspirations and concerns of the population which will allow the full exercise of fundamental freedoms for its entire population, including that of expression and peaceful
assembly."

Commitment to the sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity- basically no foreign intervention. Don't know if I'm misunderstanding the "only solution" bit but it seems as if it's left up to the Syrians to sort it out amongst themselves. Confirmed green light for Bashar.

“The Security Council calls for an immediate end to all violence and urges all sides to act with utmost restraint, and to refrain from reprisals, including attacks against State institutions."

Who's the other side?!

There's another meeting tomorrow. I'm curious what the council will discuss this time as the situation is deteriorating massively.
 
The security council concludes that there's no evidence for crimes against humanity in Syria on the grounds that Syria has one hell of an anti-aircraft defense system.
 
So the new govt might not be as 'friendly' to Israel or the West as Mubarak, but that doesn't mean they'll start smuggling arms to Hamas, or mess about around the border.

You are underestimating the potential danger of the a new Egyptian regime turning a blind eye to Islamic fundamentalist activities in Sinai. They don't have to be actively involved, but AQ has identified Sinai as a possible frontline with Israel, and Hamas has already used the long Israeli-Egyptian border for attacking Israeli civilians.

Israel can tolerate this to an extent, but an indiffernt Egyptian regime could contribute to escalation that could get out of control.

Hardly unexpected.
 
Are you suggesting that Egypt is involved and/or enjoyed what happened today??

Stop with the pathetic excuses to defend your beloved tyrant Mubarak and his regime
 
Are you suggesting that Egypt is involved and/or enjoyed what happened today??

Stop with the pathetic excuses to defend your beloved tyrant Mubarak and his regime

Don't be fecking daft, Avatar. If you read my ealier prediction again you'll see that I suggested keeping the border quiet wouldn't top the new regiemes' list of things to do.

I'm not defending Mubarak and never have but stability in the region was within his regime's best interests, and if I'm honest with you I don't give two shits about your personal freedom if it comes at the expense of human lives this side of the border.

Mubarak was a tyrant and antisemitism in Egypt was rife during his regime, so "beloved" hardly describes my opinion of him. However, a few months into the new regime and you seem to have completely lost control of Sinai.
 
Speaking of which, hows the trial going Avatar?

Seriously, I don't give a feck about his trial. I am more concerned about the future. Elections, constitution, building the country. Sadly, the past months showed that 90 % of our politicians are inept .....and the remaining 10% are ex-regime .

I'm optimistic though..its time for the youth to take things in their own hands just like they did in the revolution ..with no leaders.
 
Don't be fecking daft, Avatar. If you read my ealier prediction again you'll see that I suggested keeping the border quiet wouldn't top the new regiemes' list of things to do.

I'm not defending Mubarak and never have but stability in the region was within his regime's best interests, and if I'm honest with you I don't give two shits about your personal freedom if it comes at the expense of human lives this side of the border.

Mubarak was a tyrant and antisemitism in Egypt was rife during his regime, so "beloved" hardly describes my opinion of him. However, a few months into the new regime and you seem to have completely lost control of Sinai.

We lost control in January when the Police was gone.not now..Perhaps if we had more military on this side of the borders, things wouldn't have deteriorated
 

few days too late..many fundamentalists were already there Egypt cracks down on terror cells in Sinai; bin Laden's doctor spotted - CNN.com

and what's the second link supposed to convey ??

They call this anarchy here.

uh.. am talking about youth taking role in politics , why the cynicism??
 
They are several thousands by the way who made their way into Sinai. it's not an easy job to finish them
 
Any future peace between democratic Israel and democratic Egypt would be futile at best. I'd imagine that he Egyptian people still don't look favourably towards their neighbours whereas the Israelis would surely like to re-invade the Sinai now that they're under international pressure to cease settlement development in the WB.

This could turn ugly very quickly.
 
War is in no one's favor . And your statement is illogical. Do you think to cease international pressure, Israel would invade Sinai!!!! That's contradictory
 
War is in no one's favor . And your statement is illogical. Do you think to cease international pressure, Israel would invade Sinai!!!! That's contradictory

Absolutely, no one on either side wants war, but avoiding war and choosing not to maintain amicable relations can be mutually exclusive. Iraq is technically still at war with Israel, but its been almost 3 decades since either side has struck one another.

Israel re-invading the Sinai wouldn't be out of question either. They could use an episode such as the one today to justify the invasion to ensure the 'security of the region', and you can be sure Obama, Catherine Asthon, NATO et al would probably sanction it too.

Hopefully it won't come to that though.
 
Iraq is technically still at war with Israel, but its been almost 3 decades since either side has struck one another.

Only just two!

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Tel Aviv, 1991
 
Any future peace between democratic Israel and democratic Egypt would be futile at best. I'd imagine that he Egyptian people still don't look favourably towards their neighbours whereas the Israelis would surely like to re-invade the Sinai now that they're under international pressure to cease settlement development in the WB.

This could turn ugly very quickly.

Are you on drugs again?
 
:lol:

The US has always tossed vetos around preventing any sort of condemnation of Israeli actions, including the indefensible settlement project. Now the Israelis are at the receiving end of it. Only seems fair eh?

I have no problem with whatever comes out of that building. Lebanon a member of the security council is every bit as funny as the Saudis in the UN human rights committee.
 
3-5 Egyptian policemen killed by Israeli fire yesterday.. Israel investigating the matter

Raids continue on gaza. 15 killed.

Hamas calls off truce with israel that has been in effect for like 2 years

May be we should move these latest shitty news to the https://www.redcafe.net/f13/attacks-egyptian-israeli-border-337809/ thread

Looks like the attack has more to do with "the people's revolution" than just the loosened grip on Sinai.

IDF investigation: Egyptians took part in attack near Eilat - Israel News, Ynetnews
 
My favourite time of the year.