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A serious look at Mauricio Pochettino
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Poch has done really well and I've always thought of him as a top manager. Not that I agree that Poch is a way better manager than Ole but the board could have been more careful. Most of the decisions They've made post-Fergie were wrongly timed.
I knew the decision was premature. The players were playing out of their skins post-Mourinho and We could have waited till the end of season once They stabilized, to be able to see the big picture. We had the luxury of being able to choose between Poch and Ole and again, We made a hasty decision based on the moment than the future.
Pochettino is a good manager, its only a matter of time before the bigger clubs come calling for him. And tbf to him he deserves the chance to consistently compete for the biggest trophies.
The amount of shite you write in this thread is unparalleled...
He's the United manger actually. We were also once stuck with the Aberdeen manager and that turned out alright.
He won't leave Tottenham in the summer, no club will pay out his contract to negotiate. The following summer however, depending on how the new appointments do at United, Madrid, maybe even Bayern, could be a different story.
I reckon those flights India will not be taking off for a while.
Yes it seems very likely that the summer of 2020 will be the time for him to think about going somewhere. A bit like Klopp at Dortmund, he spent an extra year there after winning CL before he went.
Eventually he will have to leave to go to a club with resources to be at this level consistently. Spurs are a wonderful story this year but realistically he will not be able to build a team there to compete for a league title and make runs in Europe.
He will 100% not leave this Summer though.
Calm down. No matter how people choose to vent their frustration regarding the club's predicament on this forum, there hasn't been a United manager since Fergie retired who started his tenure without the majority of the fanbase backing him. Not a single one, not even Moyes and Mourinho. Why would it be any different with Ole?
Of course, things can change for the worse or for the better. This happens because in any line of work there are expectations to be met. So, to answer your question: No, we shouldn't wait five years. Ole will be judged by the progress he has made by the end of each season he's a United manager. He'll have to earn 5 years just as Poch has earned all the praise he gets from fans of different clubs.
Ole til 2020 and then Poch sounds pretty good to me.
I'm assuming that Ole wins feck all though because I don't think he or this current squad (even with additions) are good enough to do so. But I do think he will make us a better team than we have been for the last number of years. Whether the board are willing to terminate his contract a year early if he has a "decent" season is another story, I guess. That's the pitfalls of hiring a club legend as manager.
Spurs now have a bigger income than Juve. In a year or two our income will exceed that of Arsenal and roughly match or exceed that of Chelsea.
People under-estimate where Spurs are at and where they're heading. Pochettino doesn't.
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it wasn’t this season and Manchester City is a better team now then they were then. Yes, if I was a spurs fan I would be in the Spurs thread jumping for joy, but I m in the pochettino thread
Man City with their best player plagued with injury, a lower points total in the league and losing to Spurs in the quarters of the CL (a Spurs team decimated by injuries) is better than last season.
Yeah, I agree with the sentiment of this (if not the hyperbole). They created virtually nothing afterwards and conceded a fair bit. Pretending the ball cannoning in off a hip made this decision the right one is asinine. There's no way Poch would repeat that if he had his time again.
Any idea how much you guys are earning with this year's CL run? Ajax gets around 100 million euro including stuff like ticket sales, which is a nice bonus for them because they've pretty much calculated their budget and spending last year on qualifying for the group phase of the Europa League instead.
Not spending any money last summer and a nice unexpected CL bonus of at least 50 million and maybe double now, you might actually have the money to do the transfer business you were already planning to do in the 2019 summer window, and bring back a player like Bale on top of that.
He can play like till eternity, he won’t win a trophy. Manchester United is about winning trophies. Wenger team were far better, the best he could do was one final appearance in champions league and 3 premier league in only god knows how many years. He has balls alright, but they aren’t for winning trophies.
If he loses to Ajax, meaning another semi-final loss, will people start turning on him again calling him Loser Poch, BottlejobPoch again?
beating city is great, especially without Kane, and hardly spending much over the year, but at the same time, you could look at it and say they drew the tie (and were moments away from going out).
I actually like Poch and the job hes done at Spurs. But now hes got a great chance to make a final and then its a one off game.
beating city is great, especially without Kane, and hardly spending much over the year, but at the same time, you could look at it and say they drew the tie (and were moments away from going out).
I actually like Poch and the job hes done at Spurs. But now hes got a great chance to make a final and then its a one off game.
I don't know in relation to Spurs. But the CL money this time around for Ajax will surely be a very large proportion of the club's normal annual income - yes?
Re. Bale, it's a non-starter unless RM were to subsidise 80% of his wages for the contract-length.
That's actually interesting. I wonder if Levy will want to re-invest some of the money they'll be making, it will be necessary to maintain the club at the top of European football for sure.
I had a look at top 20 teams in Europe revenue wise and some of them were proper shocking for me - in particular Schalke who have not been good for such a long time.
Most probably they won't because Poch is quite popular these days but if something of a sort happened to a Man Utd manager, he would be absolutely loathed by significant part of fan base.
Anybody who loathes their manager for getting knocked out in a CL semi final (unless it's a bit embarrassing, I can kinda understand United fans being unhappy with the Barca loss because you got played with) is an idiot.
The problem with the Ajax tie is injuries and suspensions, with Son out first leg and Kane injured we will struggle to score goals. Add that to our midfield woes and we could struggle against an Ajax side who have nothing to lose.
Why is Son out?
If you think getting pochettino would be hard before now this result has made it impossible. The dream is over, we best start looking for the next best manager. Erik ten Hag or Marco rose might be worth a punt. Ole has until the end of season to convince me that he is the right guy.
If you think what I wrote was shitty how about all the posters I was arguing with in this thread??? . There’s must be a whole new level of shite.
A lot of these posters questioned whether Pochettino is a good managers using failed logical like he has not won anything, he has a better squad, his rivals were just bad, he doesn’t play attacking football, his team is a bottler and so much more. I am glad Pochettino has silenced these posters for the time being. We even have some crawling back in here and admitting they were wrong.
Most of these city players has improved this season and competition has also improved, so using the lower points total is a weak argument. A mourinho United team coming second with this crop of players is all you need to know about the level of competitiveness last season. The best player plagued with injuries only strengthens my argument as to be at the position they are in without De Bryunne and some other notable players, only showcase how strong a side they have become this season.
That will definitely happen, fans are prone to knee jerk reaction. On the result, It depends on who Spurs has available for Ajax. They will be without Kane and Son, two of their best goal scorer, which likely means Llorente who is the equivalent of Fellaini as a striker. Ajax is a well managed team and they are definitely able to advance to the next leg without key players from Spurs missing. If Spurs had all their key players fit, I would assume the Tie would fall in favor of Spurs.
If you think what I wrote was shitty how about all the posters I was arguing with in this thread???
. There’s must be a whole new level of shite.A lot of these posters questioned whether Pochettino is a good managers using failed logical like he has not won anything, he has a better squad, his rivals were just bad, he doesn’t play attacking football, his team is a bottler and so much more. I am glad Pochettino has silenced these posters for the time being. We even have some crawling back in here and admitting they were wrong
.Man City with their best player plagued with injury, a lower points total in the league and losing to Spurs in the quarters of the CL (a Spurs team decimated by injuries) is better than last season.
Most of these city players has improved this season and competition has also improved, so using the lower points total is a weak argument. A mourinho United team coming second with this crop of players is all you need to know about the level of competitiveness last season. The best player plagued with injuries only strengthens my argument as to be at the position they are in without De Bryunne and some other notable players, only showcase how strong a side they have become this season.
That will definitely happen, fans are prone to knee jerk reaction. On the result, It depends on who Spurs has available for Ajax. They will be without Kane and Son, two of their best goal scorer, which likely means Llorente who is the equivalent of Fellaini as a striker. Ajax is a well managed team and they are definitely able to advance to the next leg without key players from Spurs missing. If Spurs had all their key players fit, I would assume the Tie would fall in favor of Spurs.
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I thought yellow cards reset for the semi finals. That sucks having him out alright.
They reset for semifinals in sense that you start them with 0 to your name.
If you get banned before semifinals, you are banned for the semifinals though. He's banned from cards he got before semis.
This is the first time Spurs have reached the semi-finals of the Champions League in our history. I don't think anybody would be thinking 'bottle job' if we don't reach the final - as disappointing as that would be now. It's still been a superb achievement to get to the semi's.
Spurs fans? Some neutral fans? Yeah I agree with you
But i guarantee it will happen by quite a few people. Probably even in the match day thread (if Spurs are winning and Ajax over turn it or something)
Not only that, but I bet yesterday the emotions of Peps a fraud, to Pochs a bottler swung back and forth during the game.
In science when you want to compare two things, you have to adjust for confounding factors that might bias the results.
After adjusting for confounders, in this case for Spurs it's the lack of investment compared to their immediate rivals, you can potentially argue that Poch is one of, if not the best manager in recent years. I think he is as good as Pep, and better than Klopp.
After adjusting for confounders, in this case for Spurs it's the lack of investment compared to their immediate rivals, you can potentially argue that Poch is one of, if not the best manager in recent years. I think he is as good as Pep, and better than Klopp.
Exactly and people will use the argument that they already have a top squad, but so do a lot of his rivals and they keep spending millions each summer. Pochettino doesn’t and I m sure few world class signings would improve their team’s performance as we seen recently with Van Dijk at Liverpool
Oh, you mean the guy that beat Real Madrid in the Cup Winners Cup final and won the European Super Cup and won the Scottish title 3x and the Scottish Cup 4x and Scottish League with a team that wasn't Celtic nor Rangers. Ole's got a lot more to prove unfortunately.
People tend to overlook Fergie's achievements in Scotland. Going toe-to-toe with the 'Old Firm' and taking the title to Pittodrie, not once but three times, was remarkable for the time.
No shame in losing to Ajax, in fact I would favor them passing the round. Ajax - Liverpool is my final prediction.
Exactly, not to mention actual European success (CWC + SuperCup).
What impressed me the most about Spurs last night wasn’t the fact that they’ve scored 3 goals at City, it was how solid they looked in defense after Llorente’s goal.
They were supremely organized in defense and in midfield, and make no mistake that City side has some serious winners.
They were supremely organized in defense and in midfield, and make no mistake that City side has some serious winners.
We are the better team and should progress, I firmly believe that.
However, it's knockout football, we're not as good as City yet here we are. And injuries could have an impact.
With Son suspended I think it'll be on Poch's mind to start Llorente in every game leading up to the 1st leg. He's not a player I think you just drop in without minutes in his legs.
Don't know about that, Ajax have bettered Bayern, Real and Juve I think they're going to the final this year.
When did they better Bayern? They drew both games .. and Bayern aren't good this year.
Madrid and Juve, sure. Although Madrid are tragic this season.
Juventus are their biggest scalp by far imo, I was honestly really surprised/impressed with the way in which they took them apart in that second leg. They're clearly a dangerous side but Juve were utterly pathetic in that second game.
With a fully fit side I'd be very confident of beating Ajax over two legs, but alas that isn't the case and they have a fantastic chance of getting to a final.
Also, we took Dortmund apart 4-0 over two legs and knocked out the best team in England, so it's not like we don't have feats of our own in the CL this season. Man City are 100% better than Juventus, Madrid or Bayern.
Should have said outplayed Bayern on both matches (who despite not being superb this year just recently demolished BVB 5-0 and are leading yet again the Bundesliga).
They certainly outplayed Madrid on both matches (despite losing the first one) and did a number on Juve who were favorites to lift the cup.
Look you have reasons to be confident, but I think Ajax will take you apart, I really do.