Aaron Ramsey

To be perfectly honest, I'm gutted for the lad. Having gone through something quite similar less then a year ago, I know who he'll be feeling right now, and its a horrible horrible situation to be in.

And I can also see why the Arsenal fans are angry, we'd be exactly the same if it was one of our players.
 
Count Duckula said:
Having to retire because of heart problems?
Actually losing a limb a la Dario Silva?
Suffering a fractured skull that could have almost killed you?
Dying?

Personally, and this may just be me, but I reckon your career takes a bigger hit if you die than if you break a leg. Again, just my take on things.
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Ah your sarcasm is indeed delicious. But dying on a pitch is rather rare and doesnt happen all that regularly.

The odds of breaking a leg over all the things you have listed are much higher. Hence for a footballer, this is pretty much the worst of his fears. We can all die anywhere really. Thats really besides the point.

Even on a desk job, I'm sure people are more worried about other feck-ups that may ruin their career than dying.

Fair enough you have your own opinion and you should stick to it but I dont see why how you cannot accept someone else's if it differs from yours. Everyone has their own levels of sensitivity.
 
Count you're arguing for the sake of arguing here. It's quite obvious the poor lad has suffered a very serious injury and it's natural to feel sorry for him regardless of whether he makes a full recovery or not.
 
JayWalker said:
Ah your sarcasm is indeed delicious. But dying on a pitch is rather rare and doesnt happen all that regularly.

The odds of breaking a leg over all the things you have listed are much higher. Hence for a footballer, this is pretty much the worst of his fears. We can all die anywhere really. Thats really besides the point.

Even on a desk job, I'm sure people are more worried about other feck-ups that may ruin their career than dying.

Fair enough you have your own opinion and you should stick to it but I dont see why how you cannot accept someone else's if it differs from yours. Everyone has their own levels of sensitivity.
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My incredulity was aimed at your hyperbole, not at your sympathy. By all means feel sorry for him, but don't say it was the worst thing that can possibly happen.

It simply isn't, not in anyone's definition.
 
Count Duckula said:
My incredulity was aimed at your hyperbole, not at your sympathy. By all means feel sorry for him, but don't say it was the worst thing that can possibly happen.

It simply isn't, not in anyone's definition.
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It is in mine. For a professional footballer, a broken leg is still the worst of his fears imo, in fact I'm pretty sure when a footballer steps onto the pitch he would fear any such injury more than DYING. All of course meaning professionally.
Unfortunately you cant accept that as my opinion. So I dont see the point of arguing anymore since neither of us will budge from our opinion.
 
The worst thing that could have happened would have been him standing on a world war 2 land mine and having his leg blown off.
 
I'd say as a professional footballer, a broken leg comes pretty high in the list of worst things that can happen.
 
Untied said:
I'm going to preface this by saying that is a horrible injury and that I wish Ramsey all the best in his recovery.

But these are the one type of horrific injury that occurs reasonably regularly in football. I was very disappointed to see Wenger and Fabregas implying that Stoke or any other club intends to hurt Arsenal players. That Arsenal deserve special treatment, Wenger described the tackle as horrendous/ horrific, it wasn't, unfortunately the consequences were. But that's the important word. Unfortunate.

No doubt the reply will be that they were emotional, very upset and so should be excused for saying ridiculous things about their treatment from referees and the nature of opposing players. But if I remember correctly Arsenal were praised for grinding out the result, praised that they had learned to deal with these situations, that they didn't let it affect them on the pitch. As that was the case, it is inexcusable for Wenger particuarly, to make the remarks he did. He should have learned from last time.

I would like to think that most managers would have said, it's awful for Ramsey, but I don't blame Shawcross, you could see how distraught the lad was. But Wenger sadly couldn't do that.

So to finish, best wishes to Ramsey, but I thought Wenger's remarks were not acceptable, Fabregas less so, but he also said that they don;t moan normall when they get kicked?? and I'm sure they both didn't condemn Gallas for that tackle earlier in the season. The implications made against Stoke and Shawcross should be condemned.
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Very good post mate.

Personally I was shocked the way Arsenal players and the staff celebrated the goal. I hardly think emotion, or upset was a factor during those moments.
 
JayWalker said:
Put it this way, IF and WHEN hargreaves steps onto the pitch again, I am pretty sure he'd rather be fearing on his knees giving up or an injury resulting because of those knees rather than dying.
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But that doesn't mean that if his knees gave out it'd be the worst thing that could possibly happen! I genuinly fail to see how the two are linked. Fearing something more than something else doesn't mean it's worse.
 
Raven_Blade said:
Get well soon son.

I hate to see injuries like that no matter what player it is. Hope he makes a successful recovery because he has the talent to be a top player.
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Perhaps, with the exception of John Terry (perhaps).


Get well soon Ramsey.
 
Sam#1 said:
And I can also see why the Arsenal fans are angry, we'd be exactly the same if it was one of our players.
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Who should they direct their anger at?

It was one of those freak moments in football. I don't think pointing fingers at Shawcross, Stoke or the referee is fair. In fact it's pretty small minded.
 
Count Duckula said:
But that doesn't mean that if his knees gave out it'd be the worst thing that could possibly happen! I genuinly fail to see how the two are linked. Fearing something more than something else doesn't mean it's worse.
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Worst thing in terms of his choosen career and injuries he could sustain as a direct result of his said career.

I think thats what Jay's getting at.
 
Count Duckula said:
But that doesn't mean that if his knees gave out it'd be the worst thing that could possibly happen! I genuinly fail to see how the two are linked. Fearing something more than something else doesn't mean it's worse.
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If his knees gave out resulting in a premature end to his career is not the worst thing that can happen to his footballing career or his professional life right now ??
Seriously mate, either you have not gathered the fact that I am talking about these injuries being the worst deterrents to their professional lives or you just want to argue for the sake of it.
 
Bread said:
What did they do?
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Seeing their joy at scoring the second it was quite obvious Ramsey was second on their list of priorities.
 
Sultan said:
Who should they direct their anger at?

It was one of those freak moments in football. I don't think pointing fingers at Shawcross, Stoke or the referee is fair. In fact it's pretty small minded.
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I dont know Sults, I really dont. But I'd say its natural human reaction to be angry after something like that, rightly or wrongly, its just the way emotion takes control, and impares our judgement.
 
Sultan said:
Seeing their joy at scoring the second it was quite obvious Ramsey was second on their list of priorities.
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Why shouldn't they have joy? They just scored a goal which put them ahead and got them precious points in the title race.

It's horrible what happened to the poor lad, but Arsenal had a job to do which was to get on with the match. They eventually won, so I don't see why they shouldn't celebrate.
 
MUFCgal said:
Why shouldn't they have joy? They just scored a goal which put them ahead and got them precious points in the title race.

It's horrible what happened to the poor lad, but Arsenal had a job to do which was to get on with the match. They eventually won, so I don't see why they shouldn't celebrate.
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Exactly, and then if they don't win they get blasted for not having the bottle.
 
MUFCgal said:
Why shouldn't they have joy? They just scored a goal which put them ahead and got them precious points in the title race.

It's horrible what happened to the poor lad, but Arsenal had a job to do which was to get on with the match. They eventually won, so I don't see why they shouldn't celebrate.
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Which is fine, but it shows that they weren't overcome with emotion at the injury - they were able to set it aside, get on with the match and then celebrate the winner. As you'd expect.

But it means that Wenger's comments after the match cannot be put down to his reasoning being clouded by anger or sadness, and shows that he's possibly just the most ridiculous man in English football.
 
Sam#1 said:
Worst thing in terms of his choosen career and injuries he could sustain as a direct result of his said career.

I think thats what Jay's getting at.
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You can die on the football pitch, or as a direct result of football, or suffer even worse injuries.

It's shocking for Ramsey but it could be far worse. He still has a potentially very bright future.
 
MUFCgal said:
Why shouldn't they have joy? They just scored a goal which put them ahead and got them precious points in the title race.

It's horrible what happened to the poor lad, but Arsenal had a job to do which was to get on with the match. They eventually won, so I don't see why they shouldn't celebrate.
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I can see where you're coming from seeing their profession is about results. I just don't see myself celebrating in such a manner after seeing such horrific injury to my team mate. On occasions such as this, people matter more that sport/results.
 
Count Duckula said:
Which is fine, but it shows that they weren't overcome with emotion at the injury - they were able to set it aside, get on with the match and then celebrate the winner. As you'd expect.

But it means that Wenger's comments after the match cannot be put down to his reasoning being clouded by anger or sadness, and shows that he's possibly just the most ridiculous man in English football.
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Exactly! Well put.
 
Sultan said:
Seeing their joy at scoring the second it was quite obvious Ramsey was second on their list of priorities.
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Completely wrong to read into that. What do you expect them to do? Huddle together and start crying? They've won the game, safe in the knowledge that Ramsey will be being seen to by top doctors.
 
Just seen the replays on a Spanish website - they don't have the same qualms as the English ones. Very much a 50:50 (maybe even more Shawcross' ball than Ramsay's) and it's not at all obvious that there's intent or even excessive aggression in the challenge.

Very sad, but like a lot of other injuries it didn't look like something you could prevent without turning football into a different game.

Get well soon to Ramsay. Well played to Arsenal for getting on with it.

Wenger? Meh, only what I'd expect.
 
Sultan said:
I can see where you're coming from seeing their profession is about results. I just don't see myself celebrating in such a manner after seeing such horrific injury to my team mate. On occasions such as this, people matter more that sport/results.
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They went to their supporters and celebrated in front of them. Fabregas was actually implying that he was dedicating the goal to Ramsey, which I thought was pretty decent actually. Personally, I didn't see any problem with them celebrating going in front, I don't think it was OTT at all.
 
peterstorey said:
Possibly but the same player went over the top and put out of one our players for 6 weeks in the fixture last year. One of his teammates in that same game put Walcott out for 3 months and Sagna out for 4 weeks.
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Walcott doesn't need a stoke nutter to put him out for 3 months. A stiff breeze usually does that. He's a fecking permacrock, so you can blame stoke and the physical side of the game all you want but that arguments on its last leg when it comes to players like Rosicky or Walcott.

You've got a case with Eduardo and Ramsey, but it begins to look shakey when you (along with your manager) try to imply there is some masterplan at work where teams go out to try and break your teams legs.

Why would teams try to maim Arsenal anyway? They haven't been serious contenders for years.
 
M13_RED said:
Completely wrong to read into that. What do you expect them to do? Huddle together and start crying? They've won the game, safe in the knowledge that Ramsey will be being seen to by top doctors.
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After such celebrations during the game I don't expect Fabregas and Wenger to act the victims after the game.
 
I think together with Ramsey we should also spare a moment for Shawcross.

Shawcross is also an unfortunate victim. I doubt he'll be able to sleep tonight. It might actually affect him psychologically and have an adverse effect on his career.
 
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