I hope Stoke appeal just because it will make Wenger go insane.
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I hope Stoke appeal just because it will make Wenger go insane.
At least Sultan is being honest.
He has no reason to wish that Ramsey becomes one of the best players in the world. He said he hopes he comes back, but as a United fan he has no wish to see Ramsey be a world beater, particularly given he snubbed us.
It might seem a bit inappropriate to say that hours after he has suffered an injury, but at least he is being honest.
Calling him a cnut is a bit unnecessary. If Ramsey hadn't been injured, there would have been no problem with Sultan saying that he hopes he doesn't fulfil his potential. Why should there be now? Should we all suddenly want Ramsey to become awesome because of an injury? The same reaction didn't happen to Cisse, Cisse again, Smith, etc.
He has no reason to wish that Ramsey becomes one of the best players in the world. He said he hopes he comes back, but as a United fan he has no wish to see Ramsey be a world beater, particularly given he snubbed us.
It might seem a bit inappropriate to say that hours after he has suffered an injury, but at least he is being honest.
Calling him a cnut is a bit unnecessary. If Ramsey hadn't been injured, there would have been no problem with Sultan saying that he hopes he doesn't fulfil his potential. Why should there be now? Should we all suddenly want Ramsey to become awesome because of an injury? The same reaction didn't happen to Cisse, Cisse again, Smith, etc.
You're right. I think what Sultan said came out wrong. He meant he doesnt' want Ramsey to become the best in the world, and neither do I. As for the injury, everybody is hoping that he makes it back and has a good career.
These were my exact thoughts. I even commented opposition fans would hardly want Hargreaves and Anderson to come back better players. Peter actually agreed with my sentiments.
After watching a couple of the video's on here and what was shown on MOTD last night, what was particularily interesting was the reaction of the Arsenal players right after the challenge.
It's common place now that after a bad challenge the person who makes said challenge is surrounded by members of the other team, all shouting, pointing barging into them. One or two went over and chatted to Shawcross, none of them seem really angry at the tackle. Now some might come back and say they were in shock at the state of the injury, but not all of them would have seen the injury right away. I know this sounds awful, but as bad as an injury this is, it's an occupational hazzard for a football player, one just hopes that Ramsey can recover well enough and return to playing as soon as possible.
It's common place now that after a bad challenge the person who makes said challenge is surrounded by members of the other team, all shouting, pointing barging into them. One or two went over and chatted to Shawcross, none of them seem really angry at the tackle. Now some might come back and say they were in shock at the state of the injury, but not all of them would have seen the injury right away. I know this sounds awful, but as bad as an injury this is, it's an occupational hazzard for a football player, one just hopes that Ramsey can recover well enough and return to playing as soon as possible.
I personnaly find the lack of slow motion replay disrespectful to Ryan Shawcross in this instance. Surely we should be allowed to make up our own mind on his intent or more likely lack of intent on this issue?
Getting a bit silly this thread now.
Everybody has a differance of opinion , not really any need for the infighting.
Everybody has a differance of opinion , not really any need for the infighting.
I've deleted most of the posts mate. Back to the debate.
Ramsey has had a successful operation on his Tibia and Fibula. He'll miss the rest of the season.
No, Peter of last night agreed with you
He clearly wasn't his usual self last night.Breaking News on SSN: He had successful surgery on his broken fibula and tibia.
Good luck to him.
Are there any decent slo-mo replays available at all?
If there are, I am yet to see them, and they certainly haven't been posted on the Caf.
If somebody gets them, please put them on the Caf
No, Peter of last night agreed with you
Breaking News on SSN: He had successful surgery on his broken fibula and tibia.
Good luck to him.
Awesome news.
Thats good news for the lad. Hope it doesn't affect his career.
Wenger is saying he wants action taken against Shawcross. Out of order i think, wasnt a bad challenge, he showed serious regret and distress at what had happened and i think for wenger to come out and critiscie a young player for this is wrong, especially for someone whos been in the game as long as wenger should no better.
Wenger is a feckin' idiot.
Delighted to hear his operation was successful.
As for Wenger wanting further action to be against Shawcross he just being a drama queen. Absolutely blameless he went for the ball and thats it.
As for Wenger wanting further action to be against Shawcross he just being a drama queen. Absolutely blameless he went for the ball and thats it.
Where's the link? (im actually seriously asking, not trying to make a point)
Good to hear that about Ramsey. Wenger is a cock for trying to bank on this incident.
After seeing some of the comments of the "Journalists" on Sky Sports' Sunday Supplement, I actually think that they haven't bothered to watch the incident again.
For Patrick Barclay to claim that the challenge was unacceptable and that his foot was high is outrageous. He claimed that the tackle was out of control, WATCH IT AGAIN YOU feckING IDIOT.
He went to kick the football but it had been shifted the kick that was meant to clear the ball got the player (its not clear that it was even his foot that caught the player, it may well have been his shin) What does he want? for a player to give up on a ball and let his opponent run clean on to the football?
For someone to be paid to give his accounts of a game when he has such basic lack of understanding of the events is just a damning indictment of sports journalism in this country.
It wasn't even a tackle, it was an attempt to put his laces though the football. The fact that he caught the player was a complete accident.
Injuries happen. That's football.
For Patrick Barclay to claim that the challenge was unacceptable and that his foot was high is outrageous. He claimed that the tackle was out of control, WATCH IT AGAIN YOU feckING IDIOT.
He went to kick the football but it had been shifted the kick that was meant to clear the ball got the player (its not clear that it was even his foot that caught the player, it may well have been his shin) What does he want? for a player to give up on a ball and let his opponent run clean on to the football?
For someone to be paid to give his accounts of a game when he has such basic lack of understanding of the events is just a damning indictment of sports journalism in this country.
It wasn't even a tackle, it was an attempt to put his laces though the football. The fact that he caught the player was a complete accident.
Injuries happen. That's football.
Ah ok, i assumed it was something new.
Most commentators are shit, well the ones that are there for their two cents as opposed to the ones that talk out most of the play.
Because of history I can understand Wenger is upset. But he really needs to take a step back, view the incident again and calm down. There was clearly no intent, Ramsey just beat the lad to the ball after Shawcross lost control of it. The likes of Scholes and Gerrard have done worse tackles than that over the years but fortunately for them they've never broken anyones leg
His own plahttps://www.redcafe.net/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=7658375yers have made worse tackles and not that distantly in the past
Didn't even get a red for that. All Wenger said was that he's sorry IF its a bad tackle. Studs up on his ankle and wenger didn't call for the FA to ban him.. what a surprise.
if you watch, Gallas' foot stamps down on his ankle. The ball wasn't even there, and hadn't been there.
Wenger is blinded by the brilliance of his players to ever see them make any potentially leg breaking tackles. It's always those anti-footballing teams and their ugly football that catches his eye.
that would be funny. To be fair, it wasn't a red card, and Shawcross got sent off for the injury and not for the tackle which is wrong.That's the best post in the whole debate.
The fact is that Shawcross did not go out to injure Ramsay. It wasn't even a bad tackle. He went for the ball and unfortunately there was a collision and Ramsay got injured. There was no intent on Shawcross' behalf.
Everybody feels sorry for Ramsay. Nobody likes to see anyone getting injured like that and I'm sure everyone wishes he has a speedy and full recovery.
What Wenger said, although in the heat of the moment, is wrong. Every team cannot afford to buy the most skilful players in the world. Teams like Stoke are not able to attract players like Fabregas and Arshavin. Teams like Stoke play to their strengths of the players they have. They cannot beat Arsenal by passing them off the pitch. They need to be strong defensively and not let Arsenal piss all off them. Wenger obviously just wants tackling to be banned completely. It would suit him because Arsenal would whip through anyone if nobody were allowed to actually put in a challenge. Wenger does go too far. It was not a bad tackle and I can only imagine the shit he is going to come out with in the next few days. Plus he should look at his own players before moaning at other teams putting in tackles.
Anyway, I hope Ramsay has a good and quick recovery.
Charley Nicholas looks a bit miffed lol
Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Arsenal | Fabregas calls for protection
Fagregas is a real idiot.
why cant he ever shut the feck up.
How do you protect players from accidents like that , it is part and parcel of a contact sport.
Nobody is to blame.
Some of the comments by Arsenal fans on this page are just way off the mark.
Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Stoke City | Ryan - No malice in tackle
Fagregas is a real idiot.
why cant he ever shut the feck up.
How do you protect players from accidents like that , it is part and parcel of a contact sport.
Nobody is to blame.
Some of the comments by Arsenal fans on this page are just way off the mark.
Sky Sports | Football News | Premier League | Stoke City | Ryan - No malice in tackle
Big time.
Cesc Saranwrapgass
Go to Spain if you're scared you over-reactive twat, feck off.
Go to Spain if you're scared you over-reactive twat, feck off.
Fabregas is a player who hates been tackled. He seems to think that he should be allowed to roam the pitch at will with nobody making an effort to stop him. Look at the way Wenger gives out about Fletcher. Fletcher is not a dirty player but gets stuck in a puts in a few tackles and stops other teams pissing all over United. Wenger hates him. I'm guessing Fabregas does also. Fecking pussy.
Its a shame Fagregas is like that to be honest , I think he is a class player and can turn a game on its head.
He should just stick to playing and leave the rest to others
If same thing happened to Rooney, I am sure many of us will react the same way. Not saying what they said was correct, but it was understandable.
As for Fabregas, well after witnessing few of his teamates suffered from horrible injury (Eduardo, Ramsey etc), it was understandable he would have bit of complain there.
He is a fantastic player. It is a pity that he is such a fairy.
I don't agree. I don't think we'd be calling for Shawcross' head. I certainly don't think we'd be calling for tackling to be practically banned from football.
I don't know why so many people in general want to make football a non contact sport. If people want to watch a pansy non-contact sport, then they should watch cricket.
Over-reactive? His 19 year old team mate just snapped his leg in half. He's saying something which is pretty common knowledge now, that teams like Stoke which rely on their physical game need to understand where the line has to be drawn.
If it was Anderson who'd been left with only flesh holding his legs together, and a United player had come out saying this, you would've had a completely different view.