Alexander Buttner | 2013/14 Performances

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Doesn't matter if it's a right or left back. It's the exact same position. You don't defend any differently on the left than you do on the right. Therefor it's completely acceptable to compare a left back to a right back.

Contento was never Bayern's first choice. On average he's got about the same number of games per season as Büttner. He might be better, I don't know. I can only base it on the little that I've seen, but there's no gulf between the two.

It's quite obvious why he was bought. Evra had gone a couple of years without any competition. The competition, doesn't matter how fierce it was, coincided with his revigorance (am I using the word correctly?). Was it in due thanks to Büttner? Maybe. We don't know. It's quite possible. He had no idea how good Büttner was. He's a young left back and I'm guessing is a super hard working in training. Imo he definitely helped with keeping Evra on his toes. He's definitely better than having no one there at all.
 
Snow said:
Doesn't matter if it's a right or left back. It's the exact same position. You don't defend any differently on the left than you do on the right. Therefor it's completely acceptable to compare a left back to a right back.

Contento was never Bayern's first choice. On average he's got about the same number of games per season as Büttner. He might be better, I don't know. I can only base it on the little that I've seen, but there's no gulf between the two.

It's quite obvious why he was bought. Evra had gone a couple of years without any competition. The competition, doesn't matter how fierce it was, coincided with his revigorance (am I using the word correctly?). Was it in due thanks to Büttner? Maybe. We don't know. It's quite possible. He had no idea how good Büttner was. He's a young left back and I'm guessing is a super hard working in training. Imo he definitely helped with keeping Evra on his toes. He's definitely better than having no one there at all.
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Of course it matters in this context.....because Buttner is a left-back, he doesn't play on the right and cannot cover there. Therefore that makes a difference as to whether said teams would have him in their squad.

Contento was Bayern Munich's first choice left-back until Heynckes bought Rafinha in 2011-12 and Lahm switched back to the left. He suffered heavily with injuries and this then coincided with the emergence of Alaba. He has played in a Champions League semi-final and also in the final in 2012 when he didn't let them down.

I don't agree in having a player there simply for the sake of it, especially when he is as blatantly shit as Buttner. Evra's performances dipped but a lot of it was wildly exaggerated. A better way of bringing out the best in him would be to bring someone in who he can actually take seriously.....y'know someone actually pretty good.
 
Comsmit said:
Of course it matters in this context.....because Buttner is a left-back, he doesn't play on the right and cannot cover there. Therefore that makes a difference as to whether said teams would have him in their squad.

Contento was Bayern Munich's first choice left-back until Heynckes bought Rafinha in 2011-12 and Lahm switched back to the left. He suffered heavily with injuries and this then coincided with the emergence of Alaba. He has played in a Champions League semi-final and also in the final in 2012 when he didn't let them down.

I don't agree in having a player there simply for the sake of it, especially when he is as blatantly shit as Buttner. Evra's performances dipped but a lot of it was wildly exaggerated. A better way of bringing out the best in him would be to bring someone in who he can actually take seriously.....y'know someone actually pretty good.
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I agree. It was tried. You know what the summer was like. I personally don't think it's a priority but it is not like it will stand in the way of other transfers I imagine.

I don't agree that it matters if it's a right or left back when we are discussing if other teams would buy him. It doesn't have to be him exactly. It can be an anonymous right back of the exact same quality as far as a hypothetical goes. We're looking at a cover in a full back position here.

Most of us figured he was going to be used in games that don't really matter all that much or matter very little and that would give Evra the breathing space plus a healthy competition. That's it. If he would turn out better than that, great! He hasn't been awful for us. Far from it. He's been alright. Even scored a couple of goals in the league. We've played much less sensible options than him at left back, that's for sure.
 
Decotron said:
His bascially here to park Van Persies car isnt it?
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jeston said:
Alex was in my dream last night. Jist of it was I suggested Buttner to babysit my brothers kids (I'm assuming My dream-self knew him personally.) They were unsure whether to trust him (understandable) and I made a joke like 'well he does have a large basement..' Which didn't go down well. So. Buttner. Poor left back and potential dream molester.
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:lol:
 
Thought he was very good tonight. There was only that one occasion where Redmond used quick feet to get the better of him, but on the whole he was defensively solid. Whips in a mean cross too.
 
Quite poor after his fantastic assist. I love him, he's either doing something really daft or something amazing. And, you know, these days when Norway and probably numerous other countries are telling all gypsies they're the scum on earth, it's nice having one of them playing for us.
 
Laphroaig said:
Quite poor after his fantastic assist. I love him, he's either doing something really daft or something amazing. And, you know, these days when Norway and probably numerous other countries are telling all gypsies they're the scum on earth, it's nice having one of them playing for us.
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Norway too?! It is indeed good to see a traveller playing for us and doing well. Didn't 200 of his friends and family come over to see him play, thought that was quite touching!
 
Slevs said:
Buttner's not a terrible player as some people make it seem. I'd say Fabio is the better player, but Buttner must be showing more in training.
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Thought I'd bring this here rather than carry on the debate in the fabio thread.

Anyway Buttner is a pile of shite whichever way you look at it. Fair enough yesterday he had a decent game, he actually managed to get in some decent crosses for a change and was beating his man as well.

But that moment from Redmond epitomises everything that Buttner is about. The way he did that little feint and showed him onto his inside and then quickly changed direction to take the ball past him on the outside. That happens to Buttner far too easily and against better opposition, Buttner would get raped to pieces.

He may have some qualities, and that's putting it politely, but he's a liability and I would feel nervous watching him fare up against any half decent side with half decent wingers.
 
Defensively he's just not good enough. In easier games with lack of attacking quality of the opponent, he will not be put under pressure much. He can do a squad players' job in those games as an attacking LB. But he's simply not good enough to trust as replacement in bigger games as Evra's back-up. I wouldn't expect him to offer the same as Evra does as LB in such games, but he should at least be able to offer a 'solid' performance without being a liability, which I feel he'd be against decent oposition.

I'd like to see Fabio given some gametime at LB.
 
Maybe I'm being too harsh but most times when people on here say he did pretty well, it seems to me that it was more down to the opposition posing little-to-no attacking threat rather than any sort of good defensive performance from him. He struggles with people running at him and he's awful positionally. I find his inclusion completely baffling. I think he'd struggle to get in most other PL teams.
 
I don't think he's a capable defender at all, and it's the games where people say he did well where he was decent going forward, mostly. I'd pop him on the left wing any day of the week over Ashley Young, as at least he can run forward with the ball and put in an okay cross. He seems to know when to tuck in and get involved too. He doesn't play with his back to the byline like Young does, which is just so negative and predictable.

But with an attacker coming at him, and a heap of space to attack behind Buttner, it makes me wince. every now and again he surprises me with a good challenge, but he mostly looks a little lost in defence.

I don't really think he's good enough to be an attacking option for United, but I feel the same about Young, and I'd rather play Buttner than Young.
 
Brophs said:
Maybe I'm being too harsh but most times when people on here say he did pretty well, it seems to me that it was more down to the opposition posing little-to-no attacking threat rather than any sort of good defensive performance from him. He struggles with people running at him and he's awful positionally. I find his inclusion completely baffling. I think he'd struggle to get in most other PL teams.
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No you're wrong.

In no way was that harsh, the truth hurts. But I felt you weren't truthful enough. He would get ripped to shreds (and has done repeatedly) against any half decent winger. He gets shown onto his inside way too easily and gets ripped apart when the player takes it round on his outside instead.
 
Earthquake said:
Can't help but like the guy more and more, just a shame is isn't a top class player.
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Absolutely, you can never question his attitude on and off the pitch really. He's fascinated with this club and as said, shame that he's isn't the very top here because more people would appreciate him.
 
I'm sure he's a nice guy, but I'd prefer him being a nice guy in Holland.
 
He is doing a good job as a squad player, I do not understand the hate for him. His last few performances have been decent I think.
 
Adam-Utd said:
He is doing a good job as a squad player, I do not understand the hate for him. His last few performances have been decent I think.
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I don't hate him at all. Neither do I think he's even close to good enough to be even a squad player for us. Nothing personal against him, obviously.
 
londonredmaniac said:
Buttner a squad player...Fabio playing in the reserves. Madness.
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Indeed. However, I don't think the exclusion of Fabio is to do with Buttner. I'm not a fan of the tactic, but it's one of Moyes' nonetheless, in that our left back whips crosses in from deep. It's why Baines, who is a great crosser, was so effective under Moyes at Everton, and it's why both Evra and Buttner play infront of Fabio.

Now, it doesn't explain why Fabio isn't our back up right back. I find that baffling. If Rafa is out, it seems like such an easy transition to bring in a carbon copy. Instead, we have to watch two potentially brilliant centre halfs decimate their games in positions they simply aren't very good at.

As for Buttner himself, I suspect he'll be gone in the next couple of transfer windows. He seems a great guy, and I actually think he's a good footballer, he just hasn't the slightest clue in regards to defending at this level.
 
With the rumours about him going on loan during the summer, I suspect the move didn't materialise because we didn't bring in a new LB. Agreed with Kag saying that he'll be gone in a few seasons' time. He really was just an Evra backup while Fabio went on loan to get game time. Didn't cost that much so it's not a big loss.
 
Absolutely woeful. He really does give all of us, including Bebe, hope that we could make it as professional footballers.
 
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