Ander Herrera vs N'golo Kanté | Thread has gone well

Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Its a pure lie that Herrera ever struggled to adopt. Under LVG he was constantly disrupted by injury otherwise when fit he was first choice. Under Mourinho injury caused him the sane problems
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Agree that Herrera adapts to new ideas and messages very well, and he has had his share of injuries. Most certainly though, the main reason for him not being a more consistent fixture in this team has been due to poor decisions on the part of his previous managers. In both Van Gaal and Mourinho’s first seasons he established himself as an important player in the starting line-up, only for both to go out and buy replacements for the following campaigns.

Kante is a great player and is rightly held in higher regard. That doesn’t make Herrera a bad player or someone that isn’t good enough for us, in the same sense that a player such as Martial not being as good as Hazard doesn’t mean we need a new left winger.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
He also likes to roam on both defense and attack, which LvG and Jose don't always like, hence Jose's preference for fellaini and LvG buying another DM in his second season.
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But LVG liked him. He just was never blessed with his fitness. I remember one of LVGs best performances was a 3 zip away win at Everton with Schwinstieger and Schneiderlin sitting and him as a 10. It was kinda sad them never hit em heights again as a combo for various reasons. Even LVGs best run still involved him, Carrick and Afroman.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
But LVG liked him. He just was never blessed with his fitness. I remember one of LVGs best performances was a 3 zip away win at Everton with Schwinstieger and Schneiderlin sitting and him as a 10. It was kinda sad them never hit em heights again as a combo for various reasons. Even LVGs best run still involved him, Carrick and Afroman.
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It did coincide with good results but Van Gaal was far from trusting Herrera to be tactically aware. He spent a lot of time on the bench before and after that good spell.

Articles like these were common place back then.

Even when he has featured, Van Gaal and his coaching staff have found fault with Herrera. With Man Utd 1-0 up against Tottenham Hotspur, Van Gaal decided to throw on the 26-year-old for the final 23 minutes, presumably to add some energy to a side that had started to wane slightly. But within moments of his introduction, goalkeeping coach and Van Gaal’s right-hand man Frans Hoek was up off his seat, berating Herrera—presumably for his failure to carry out the tactical instruction handed to him from the bench.


And that is perhaps the only explanation yet to be offered. Van Gaal, the great tactical taskmaster, seems to believe Herrera doesn’t possess the necessary positional discipline to hold down a place in central midfield.
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But his reintroduction—alongside Juan Mata, Marouane Fellaini and Michael Carrick—coincided with United’s best run of the campaign, with Herrera a key figure in wins over Liverpool, Manchester City and Tottenham. He finally appeared to have found his place as one of Van Gaal’s most important players.

And yet, just a few months later, he now finds himself on the bench once again. Whatever happened between now and then, Van Gaal simply doesn’t think Herrera is positionally aware enough to act as the pivot around which his team revolves.
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https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ger-louis-van-gaal-have-against-ander-herrera
 
sherrinford said:
Agree that Herrera adapts to new ideas and messages very well, and he has had his share of injuries. Most certainly though, the main reason for him not being a more consistent fixture in this team has been due to poor decisions on the part of his previous managers. In both Van Gaal and Mourinho’s first seasons he established himself as an important player in the starting line-up, only for both to go out and buy replacements for the following campaigns.

Kante is a great player and is rightly held in higher regard. That doesn’t make Herrera a bad player or someone that isn’t good enough for us, in the same sense that a player such as Martial not being as good as Hazard doesn’t mean we need a new left winger.
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Indeed
 
Herrera-Kante-Pogba

Kante looked miserable yesterday, he'd be perfect for us. They can have Fred if they want.
 
Herrera is overrated by the fans because he knows how to seduce them ;)

Kante is better than Herrera.
And Pogba is by far our best midfielder and the one who improve the most our team ;)

Stop with this Herrera propaganda please. He's good but not at the Pogba/Kante level. Never a world class midfielder.
 
Jib said:
Herrera is overrated by the fans because he knows how to seduce them ;)

Kante is better than Herrera.
And Pogba is by far our best midfielder and the one who improve the most our team ;)

Stop with this Herrera propaganda please. He's good but not at the Pogba/Kante level. Never a world class midfielder.
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I’d have Herrera over Kante hands down.
 
Christ, this debate has come back when Kante is not even in his correct position. Bias aside, Kante is arguably the best in the world in his 'proper' role
 
I still believe Kante is the better player. please do not forget he was a crucial member of 2 EPL winning sides and a world cup winning team whilst Herrera is barely even an international. Still love him though
 
Ballache said:
Herrera-Kante-Pogba

Kante looked miserable yesterday, he'd be perfect for us. They can have Fred if they want.
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So much of what Kante does well is enabled by someone like Matic next to him adding the stability and plugging in those gaps when he tries to retrieve the ball. I can't see a midfield with Kante and Herrera doing well with Pogba alongside them. All three of them like to chase the ball for different reasons.
 
Stacks said:
I still believe Kante is the better player. please do not forget he was a crucial member of 2 EPL winning sides and a world cup winning team whilst Herrera is barely even an international. though
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I think Kante is now shit. All the stats in the world prove it.
 
Stacks said:
ok mate. He only won the world cup 6 months ago when being used in the correct role but I am sure he has just "turned shit" coincidentally when been played completely out of role after multiple years of success.
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Me too. Why would anyone believe a grab-and-play Leicester City punt job could keep up the incessant jogging football for years? Those "multiple years" amounted to about 2 and a half. He's done.
 
Rozski said:
Their skill sets are absolutely not close to identical. Herrera came to us as more of an energetic attacking midfielder than a defensive one. His game has changed but he still has more in his locker going forward than Kanté who himself is probably underrated in that area.

Who is better is a bit of a tossup in my opinion but using their respective records in the PL is pretty unfair. Ander has been criminally underutilized under several managers and has been here for our worst period in decades. It’s not like he was holding us back from winning titles.
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Seriously?

I think it might be outrageous to say he is twice the player Ander is. However, only on a United forum would you have people saying it’s a tossup between whose better.
 
Yagami said:
I've always felt there wasn't much in it. Kanté has the advantage due to his ball carrying, though.
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Same, don't think there is much between them. Kante carries the ball better, is better in one on one duels, is faster. On the other hand, Herrera is a better passer, has a better touch, is tactically more flexible.

The excuses being made for Kante are the same reason that Herrera had not been a regular in the past. He was asked to adapt his game, which he did, but our moronic managers then brough new CMs to replace him, which were not good enough and then Herrera plays himself in to the team on merit, then new CMs are brought to replace him again, and fails again, and rinse and repeat.

Hopefully Ole makes the smart decision and see that Herrera is vital to us, and does not replace him if/when he gets the job.
 
BridgeBanter said:
Seriously?

I think it might be outrageous to say he is twice the player Ander is. However, only on a United forum would you have people saying it’s a tossup between whose better.
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They are different players who I don’t think can be compared as easily as some seem to. It depends on what they are being asked to do. I’d be willing to bet Sarri would rather have Herrera right now for example. Not everyone agrees obviously but in my opinion Ander is hugely underrated and that Kante’s reputation gets a bump for winning the WC with a stacked France team.
 
Rozski said:
They are different players who I don’t think can be compared as easily as some seem to. It depends on what they are being asked to do. I’d be willing to bet Sarri would rather have Herrera right now for example. Not everyone agrees obviously but in my opinion Ander is hugely underrated and that Kante’s reputation gets a bump for winning the WC with a stacked France team.
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The amount of posts on here saying Herrera is underrated is truly unreal .

You only have to look at how highly rated he is in many people's posts to make that seem absurd.

There's times I think people are confusing him with keane or the second coming
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
So much of what Kante does well is enabled by someone like Matic next to him adding the stability and plugging in those gaps when he tries to retrieve the ball. I can't see a midfield with Kante and Herrera doing well with Pogba alongside them. All three of them like to chase the ball for different reasons.
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Kante doesn't need a Matic when playing for France. Kante didn't need a Matic type at Leicester. That is seriously underrating him
 
kouroux said:
Kante doesn't need a Matic when playing for France. Kante didn't need a Matic type at Leicester. That is seriously underrating him
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The role pogba plays with France is entirely different to what he could do during a full premier league season.

The Leicester season is such an outlier and even there, he had Drinkwater who was much less adventurous than anyone he's since played with.
 
ZolaWasMagic said:
Christ, this debate has come back when Kante is not even in his correct position. Bias aside, Kante is arguably the best in the world in his 'proper' role
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Didn't stop it continuing when Herrera was out of position though, did it?
 
if both players were available on the open market this summer every European giant would be after Kante, the same would not be the case for Herrera, Kante is the better player, that doesn't make Herrera a bad player some in this thread seem to take a personal offence at it.

If Kante had joined you 3 seasons ago when he left Leicester and Herrera sold none of you would be wanting Herrera back to replace NGolo
 
These types of thread are so stupid, theyre not even the same type of central midfielder.
 
Kante is arguably the best in the world at what he does. Herrera, as good as he is, isn’t. 7 months of Kante being played out of position and you having been great for 11 games doesn’t change that.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The role pogba plays with France is entirely different to what he could do during a full premier league season.

The Leicester season is such an outlier and even there, he had Drinkwater who was much less adventurous than anyone he's since played with.
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But it ain't just about Pogba for the national team, Kante plays in a different setting with or without and has always done very well. It's only very recently (few games before the World Cup) that Pogba has become an indisputed starter for Deschamps again. Kante has always been consistently class no matter who he played with and no matter the system for France.
Pogba is just an element of it so yeah I'll repeat, Kante doesn't Matic at all, he just needs to be played in a position he's comfortable in.
 
kouroux said:
But it ain't just about Pogba for the national team, Kante plays in a different setting with or without and has always done very well. It's only very recently (few games before the World Cup) that Pogba has become an indisputed starter for Deschamps again. Kante has always been consistently class no matter who he played with and no matter the system for France.
Pogba is just an element of it so yeah I'll repeat, Kante doesn't Matic at all, he just needs to be played in a position he's comfortable in.
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I guess there's a possibility that kante plays well but the team isn't as stable without a conservative player next to him?
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
I guess there's a possibility that kante plays well but the team isn't as stable without a conservative player next to him?
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Teams are rarely stable with only one conservative player in the middle of the pitch.
 
JPRouve said:
Teams are rarely stable with only one conservative player in the middle of the pitch.
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I guess this comes down to do you consider Kante a conservative player? I don't think so, I think his ball winning mentality makes people think he's a defensive player but I think he is very aggressive in his own way and not someone who would hold position and shield a backline.
 
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