I disagree Nani and Young are very well suited to 4-3-3. They both can score. Their combo play with Rooney in our first few games this season also was breath taking. I see no reason why it wouldn't occur in 4-3-3 set up. Especially when we can even play a Welbeck wide left in the formation if we saw fit.Not sure about that. Our wide players aren't suited to a 433 and its a set up we use be solid at the back and knick a goal on the counter. We rarely play fluid attacking football with the 433, although I'm sure there are exceptions
Like we care what the opposition think. Anderson and Cleverely together murdered whoever they faced. Add an inform Carrick for solidity to help cover the defence for them with Young, Nani and Rooney upfront and we'd rape most teams easily.
Like we care what the opposition think. Anderson and Cleverely together murdered whoever they faced. Add an inform Carrick for solidity to help cover the defence for them with Young, Nani and Rooney upfront and we'd rape most teams easily.
Not sure about that. Our wide players aren't suited to a 433 and its a set up we use be solid at the back and knick a goal on the counter. We rarely play fluid attacking football with the 433, although I'm sure there are exceptions
Great things? Bit overboard.
For a 4-3-3 it's good, nothing more.
We'd still be over reliant on the front 3, as always.
Exactly. I think some here are really overrating that midfield 3 here. they'l be good, no doubt but nothing to strike any amount of fear in the opposition of good quality.
Carrick with cleverley with rooney just ahead of them is our best bet imo with the players we have currently.
Like we care what the opposition think. Anderson and Cleverely together murdered whoever they faced. Add an inform Carrick for solidity to help cover the defence for them with Young, Nani and Rooney upfront and we'd rape most teams easily.
I think a midfield 3 of Cleverley/Anderson/Carrick is basically just employing three players to do the job that 2 top players could be doing, whilst losing Welbeck/Hernandez. You are losing more attacking potency than you are gaining, whilst probably only adding slightly to our defensive solidarity.
If all three played very well it would be a great system, but you have 2 players who are incredibly inconsistant and 1 player who has played 5 league games for us.
Yep, the lack of that formation has been disappointing so far, but due to injuries there haven't been many chances.
It's a formation that deserves a chance because we're lacking big time in midfield and it'd probably be some sort of improvement on what we've seen before, but a large part of that is due to the fact that there would be 3 of them.
Hardly exciting or great.
It's a formation that deserves a chance because we're lacking big time in midfield and it'd probably be some sort of improvement on what we've seen before, but a large part of that is due to the fact that there would be 3 of them.
Hardly exciting or great.
We'd need 3 in any case against any good set of midfielders that we come across anyways tbh. strength in numbers is a big advantage. We just need to fine tune the system to get the best out of what we have or go out and get someone better.
Disagree. i think both nani and young are more suited to a 4-3-3 than a 4-4-2 tbh. they both like to cut in and score in addition to crossing the ball. exactly the kind of wingers you need when playing with a lone striker specially someone the size of Rooney or Hernandez.
All said and done, 4-4-2 is how SAF prefers it and with the kind of strikers we have, thats what we'l play in most games. We just need a CM to sit back and cover the defence like carrick does instead of both CMs playing with an attacking mindset thus leaving us far too exposed at the back.
Nah. Given our midfield three aren't goalscoring midfielders, we'd need our wide players to essentially be wide forwards like barcelona's, regularly getting on the scoresheet and providing a proper goal threat. Valencia definitely doesn't look capable of that. He's a proper traditional winger. Nani couldn't probably do it but he too would need to work on certain aspects of his game to tailor it around that role. Young cuts in but always looks for the pass or the cross. Collectively, I just dont see enough goals in those three as of now.
Had we had a lampard getting us loads of goals from midfields then I might be inclined to agree because the burden on the wide players to score wouldn't be so great and more in line with their current capacity.
I think a midfield 3 of Cleverley/Anderson/Carrick is basically just employing three players to do the job that 2 top players could be doing, whilst losing Welbeck/Hernandez. You are losing more attacking potency than you are gaining, whilst probably only adding slightly to our defensive solidarity.
If all three played very well it would be a great system, but you have 2 players who are incredibly inconsistant and 1 player who has played 5 league games for us.
Nah. Given our midfield three aren't goalscoring midfielders, we'd need our wide players to essentially be wide forwards like barcelona's, regularly getting on the scoresheet and providing a proper goal threat. Valencia definitely doesn't look capable of that. He's a proper traditional winger. Nani couldn't probably do it but he too would need to work on certain aspects of his game to tailor it around that role. Young cuts in but always looks for the pass or the cross. Collectively, I just dont see enough goals in those three as of now.
Had we had a lampard getting us loads of goals from midfields then I might be inclined to agree because the burden on the wide players to score wouldn't be so great and more in line with their current capacity.
Both young and nani have goals in them. Given the license to focus more on their goalscoring, am pretty sure both will improve their numbers in that regard. with carrick sitting in front of the defence, someone like cleverley can get among the goals too. even ando. its about having the license to be around the 6 yard box too.
No doubt Young and Nani do but is it enough to compensate for not having Hernandez (or Welbeck perhaps) in the team? I think to go 4-3-3 we would just have to stick a goal scoring midfielder behind Rooney, otherwise we need a midfield 2 capable of letting Rooney play in his best position and not dropping too deep.
I dont want us to play Rooney upfront with Nani and Young on the flanks. never have. i dont think its the best way to utilize what we have at our disposal.
-------Hernandez--------
Young---Rooney----Nani
----Carrick---Cleverley-
is the best we can offer at the moment imo. This brings out the best from our resources.
Given a choice, i still think we dont need a creative midfielder but someone who's solid defensively but offers a threat going forward. someone like a yaya toure or even banega from what i've seen of him. Rooney has never been shy of doing his defensive duties. him just ahead of 2 defensively solid midfielders with one of them also posing an attacking threat would be the best way to go i feel.
When have we never been over reliant on our forwards and wide men? Save for Scholes I don't think we've had any midfielder who regularly got amongst the goals.Great things? Bit overboard.
For a 4-3-3 it's good, nothing more.
We'd still be over reliant on the front 3, as always.
When have we never been over reliant on our forwards and wide men?
Against certain teams and most especially away in Europe you need the extra number in midfield.I think a midfield 3 of Cleverley/Anderson/Carrick is basically just employing three players to do the job that 2 top players could be doing, whilst losing Welbeck/Hernandez. ......
Is that true really?Not long, only the last 3 years, give or take.
Is that true really?
Ronaldo was a wide man and a forward for us. Tevez and Rooney were forwards. Those 3 scored almost all our goals. Tell me how that was not being over reliant on our forwards and wide men when it comes to goal threat?
Both young and nani have goals in them. Given the license to focus more on their goalscoring, am pretty sure both will improve their numbers in that regard. with carrick sitting in front of the defence, someone like cleverley can get among the goals too. even ando. its about having the license to be around the 6 yard box too.
I think amols point was that we've too few players in that 4-3-3 who could continuously score goals. We were so reliant on Rooney to get them the season before last. I think Nani is the only other player capable of 10+ goals in that formation, I'd barely expect the entire midfield to get more than 10 goals.
I actually misread your first post, thought you said "ever" not "never".
What's your point though? It's surely not a good thing that we're over reliant on them? lately especially we've looked devoid of an attacking threat when our wingers aren't on their game.
My point is this, all SAF teams have been strictly reliant on our wingers and forwards for goals. Scholes and Robson before him were exceptions to the rule. We've also always looked terrible when our wingers are out of sorts. No matter how good our central midfielders were because that's how SAF sets up the side. Our attacking games is built round our width.I actually misread your first post, thought you said "ever" not "never".
What's your point though? It's surely not a good thing that we're over reliant on them? lately especially we've looked devoid of an attacking threat when our wingers aren't on their game.
Lots of hypothetical stuff there, Varun. Cleverley may get a few, ando a few and nani could get more than a few. But you'd need either some proper numbers from midfield or some more than proper numbers from the wide players. It's possible but I'm not sure it sounds all that probable. You'd need two or three players to prove themselves and goalscirers.
Out til Febuary with knee ligament damage.
Out til Febuary with knee ligament damage.
