Aye, like that game against you lot where he partnered O'Shea in central midfield.
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Against Utelul or in general? His passing altogether was something like 76%, I gather? A tenth of that higher and he's at a great rate. It does make his performance seem anemic, but he wasn't as woeful as some here would have it. He's also improved in positioning, even if there's still a lot more for him to learn. He also nicked the ball nicely a few times last match, and has generally looked good for us in terms of getting the ball and getting us going on a counter, often carrying it a fair bit and with some determination.
Anyway, him being sub-par of late after having found a good stride in the past six months doesn't detract from him having made great steps. And weirdly enough these things were not issues when he was thriving with Cleverley... It is a fact that Anderson is inadvertently picky in who he plays with and whether he plays well, I think we've observed some patterns there over the past few years.
You crack me up chief
So just watched the Galati game after being away for work. I was fully expecting an absolutely horrendous display where ball after ball Ando just couldn't find a pass, that he didn't track players as they ran past him in CM and refused to show for the ball. This after just hearing what a pathetic display he put in.
I was surprised to find that after the couple of early give aways, he didn't really give possession away, played some balls towards Chicha who did take a bit of a beating but, those are balls anyone would play. It wasn't like he was hiding but, no doubt Rooney had been the man to receive most of the ball - it is much like when Carrick played with Scholes, you expect Scholes to see majority of the ball between the two.
Anderson tracked back more than a couple times, saw him shadow the CMs that ran on through and won some balls. Going forward he was making himself available and was also involved in some half way decent moves. Sure before he got subbed he put in a couple of bad balls but, it was hardly till then the norm.
Can't be asked to post in the Berba thread but, noticed that while Berba did have a couple moments of arm waving, he also worked quite hard and seemingly involved in most every half way threatening attacking move we had. I do wonder if it was Berba that missed the headed chance Chicha had from a very good Jones cross, how much he would have got "well he missed another chance".
On the commentary I got from the recording, it seemed like Wilkins targeted Anderson and Berba as having poor games or attitudes but, neither to me seemed to have terrible games.
Maybe I am just not that astute but, watching that game after reading all the comments about Ando and Berba, I just don't get why the two seemed to get most of the criticism. Ando was okay but, Berba was more than decent in the game.
I was surprised to find that after the couple of early give aways, he didn't really give possession away, played some balls towards Chicha who did take a bit of a beating but, those are balls anyone would play. It wasn't like he was hiding but, no doubt Rooney had been the man to receive most of the ball - it is much like when Carrick played with Scholes, you expect Scholes to see majority of the ball between the two.
Anderson tracked back more than a couple times, saw him shadow the CMs that ran on through and won some balls. Going forward he was making himself available and was also involved in some half way decent moves. Sure before he got subbed he put in a couple of bad balls but, it was hardly till then the norm.
Can't be asked to post in the Berba thread but, noticed that while Berba did have a couple moments of arm waving, he also worked quite hard and seemingly involved in most every half way threatening attacking move we had. I do wonder if it was Berba that missed the headed chance Chicha had from a very good Jones cross, how much he would have got "well he missed another chance".
On the commentary I got from the recording, it seemed like Wilkins targeted Anderson and Berba as having poor games or attitudes but, neither to me seemed to have terrible games.
Maybe I am just not that astute but, watching that game after reading all the comments about Ando and Berba, I just don't get why the two seemed to get most of the criticism. Ando was okay but, Berba was more than decent in the game.
This forum is the emodiment of the modern day fan. An impatient and vindictive lot. For them being less than the best all the time is a felony.
Ironcially for me when I played I felt it was piss easy. I always seemed to be able to find more space to operate down the middle. I hated the wing. Having to bring up new ideas to beat the same guy all game long was annoying.
I was in the same situation. Was at work and didn't see the game, saw the commentaries and thought "blimey, Ando must've had a shocker!", but when I downloaded and saw the match I didn't really find him to be that bad.
And I was keenly looking to see if he was, ready to agree if need be... but I've seen him more invisible and I've seen him more wasteful in his passing.
Anyway, glad I'm not the only one. I've been wondering whether I'm really not that astute myself, as you put it.
At its worst it is... and the inherent tremendous quality in damn near every touch, seeing as they're incredibly skilled pros, is lost on most people who reckon their gran could put in a better shift, or whatever. It's the same thing that allows people to damn and blast refs for screwing up an offside call that only had a Planck length in it.
Black and white thinking... scourge of the earth.
You don't think people who've watched as much football as the regulars on redcafe can spot a bad performance when they see one?
Only there's an almost unanimous consensus on here that he played shite.
Only there's an almost unanimous consensus on here that he played shite.
Did he turn in a disappointing shift? Sure, we expect a bit more... But for people to say that he's not progressed at all since we signed him and that he was a total passenger, and that he didn't look interested and didn't break a sweat is patently false.
And to directly answer your question, NO... I don't necessarily trust the Hive-mind of the Caf to get it right at every turn.
Whether he's progressed or not is irrelevant to a discussion about how he performed on the night. I think "a disappointing shift" is accurate but kind. There's been too many "disappointing shifts" in recent weeks, which is why people are frustrated with him.
Just mentioning some of the comments that exasperate me in this thread.
As for the frustration, hasn't most of our team been underwhelming in recent weeks, despite getting back on the winning track after the trouncing by City? I know Ferdinand's been questioned nearly as much (considering his accumulated rep), and that people in no way are loving our CMs these days, Cleverley aside, but still...
Is it just a language thing I'm bothered about? That people insist on saying that he was worse than the Spanish flu on Wednesday for the sake of exaggeration?
Finally a decent summary of Ando's display. Thanks for that.
For a couple of days I have been reading this thread I have asked myself if I have watched the same game and player as some of the most outspoken posters. The level of criticism has been deeply unfair.
I can understand that Rooney's performance's as a midfielder highlighted our weakness in that area. It's obvious we are short of quality in midfield. Apart from the Cleverley/Anderson combo early in the season nobody have raised to expected level. Let's face it. So far this season both Carrick and Fletcher looked like they are behind their peak and that it's unlikely they will become automatic starters again. We are all waiting for Pogba to break true but so far is a little to early to expect him to take part against the better teams.
But why are so many respected posters so eager to highlight Anderson as the the biggest disappointment and starts to write him off ?? As far as I can remember he has been our best midfielder this season, and that's include Cleverley who has been sensational. Two three average game's doesn't change that. Our whole squad have been underperforming the last month, Anderson included. See the bigger picture. Injury's on key players. Short of options in the the middle. Lot's of rookie mistake's from our defenders. But the amazing thing is that we are still second in the league and top of our CL group. Perspective.
Was rather surprised as well when I first read this thread after the game.
He wasnt good, but he was nowhere near awful imo. He started off very shit but got into the game better as far as I recall. Tried to make things happen with quick 1-2 passing.
His long range passing was dissapointing though.
Overall he had some underwhelming performances now, after his great start to the season. Hopefully he can get bet to his best soon.
He wasnt good, but he was nowhere near awful imo. He started off very shit but got into the game better as far as I recall. Tried to make things happen with quick 1-2 passing.
His long range passing was dissapointing though.
Overall he had some underwhelming performances now, after his great start to the season. Hopefully he can get bet to his best soon.
A few highlighted moments are always going to determine how people assess his performances - and he tended to get then pretty badly. For instance, what I mostly remember from his performance (apart from the chance that was cleared off the line) were two hugely overhit passes when he could send a player through. Was his match full of them? Of course not. But that's what you remember. And, to be honest, it's an important part of being a midfield player, and if he gets it so wrong, we've got a problem.
Couldn"t trap a bag of cement
Left out of the squad completely today.
Not surprising considering his last display.
But wonder if he'll play against Benfica in the week.
Not surprising considering his last display.
But wonder if he'll play against Benfica in the week.
Really feel that this could be a make or break season for him. With Scholes gone if he can't show some consistency and cement his place in the team I wouldn't be surprised to see him shipped off in the summer.
His latest dip in form is a real disappointment given his performances early in the season.
It'll be interesting to see if he can pick it back up and see how he performs once Cleverly is back.
His latest dip in form is a real disappointment given his performances early in the season.
It'll be interesting to see if he can pick it back up and see how he performs once Cleverly is back.
At the moment I'm not sure he and Cleverley would be a great fit together. At the start of the season we were flying and those two were playing really well, but they left the midfield wide open. Since then we've tightened up and I'm not sure Fergie would want to sacrifice that protection for the back four given that we're not exactly flying creatively elsewhere on the pitch. I'd like to see them play with Carrick in a three with Rooney on his own up front.
I still cannot make up my mind on him. i mean i think he isnt good enough to play for us reguraly and i dont think we would miss him if he left but many posters here rate him so i ll wait wifh my judgment.
Yeah I dont see him and Cleverly ever playing in a 2 man mid field. As you say, I reckon the best combination would be Carrick in front of the back 4 with Cleverly & Anderson given licence to attack from MF.
I have a feeling this is his final year to prove he can produce consistently for United. He may yet remain but something tells me SAF will favor other players to do the job. 5 years is a long time as a United player. Nobody expects him to turn into Scholes overnight...but after 5 years i don't think having a string of good performances is a lot to ask.
He's already the forgotten man in Brazil (at one point he was tipped for greatness) so I won't be surprised if that sentiment also set in at United. He's a lovable fella that lad, but i just don't know how long you can keep hoping he'll turn into the player you think he can be when all evidence points to inconsistency with the odd flashes of brilliance.
He's already the forgotten man in Brazil (at one point he was tipped for greatness) so I won't be surprised if that sentiment also set in at United. He's a lovable fella that lad, but i just don't know how long you can keep hoping he'll turn into the player you think he can be when all evidence points to inconsistency with the odd flashes of brilliance.
Surely we can't wait much longer. I'm hoping him being left out of the squad will see the sort of effect it had on Nani a couple of years ago (2009/10). It really is make or break. I'm well aware midfielders tend to take time to fully develop, but I'm just not seeing the development. He's capable of doing terrific stuff on his day. But it was the same two years ago. His lack of consistency is alarming and it's not getting better.
I second, or third, that. I know people are wary about Rooney being pushed up top again, taking him out of that slightly withdrawn role he excelled in at the end of last season. However, himself, Nani and Young as a front 3, Ando and Cleverly behind them and Carrick in front of the centre-halves sounds very appealing to me. I don't think Rooney would be in a straight-jacket in that formation, shouild be plenty of fluidity with those 3.
You'd be sacrificing Welbeck who has fit in very well and is really coming along and replacing him with Anderson who is neither here nor there in defence or attack. I don't see the point to be honest and I think we'd lack goals. Rooney isn't the most consistent in front of goal.
There's no way we should change our whole gameplan just to fit Anderson in. It's up to him to sort his game out and find a way of being useful within the current set up.
I like that idea, a 4141 with Rooney up top, because, much like when we had Ronaldo, Nani on the wing will end up playing furthest forward as Rooney will continue to drop deep to find space. But not as deep as he gets now. I'd play Fletcher in front of the back 4, then have Giggs and Carrick or Cleverley in central midfield.
It will be very solid defensively, and quite able to nick goals, for when we play the best teams.
Was he the reason Fergie didn't buy a midfielder this season?
He and Cleverley were part of the reason. The main reason though is SAF is looking for a Yaya Toure/Physical Xabi Alonso type.
Let's not stop that turning this into a witchhunt though
We can and we will.
Needs to really work on his consistency now tbh, more so than ever with cleverley's emergence. if we continue to play with 2 strikers, a fit carrick will be one of the CMs in most games. that leaves just 1 spot up for grabs imo.
It's not really to fit Ando in, I can take him or leave him at the moment. It's to find a way to use Cleverly in the middle to best effect. Love what he can do, the momentum he brings but feel we've been far too open with him in a two. It would play to Carrick's strengths, Cleverly and Ando would have that extra bit of protection behind them, Nani and Young would have a bit of freedom, full-backs would have room ahead of them..I think it's worth a spin.
Our best midfield this season will be a combo of Carrick, Anderon and Cleverely. I pity the team we face when we play that midfield.
This. ^^^
Is he slightly injured or has he just been dropped since the City game?
He's only appeared against Otelul
He's only appeared against Otelul
No doubt he'll be back against Benfica. More's the pity!
Really?
Call me craxy but I don't think any team would exactly be shaking in their boots if they saw that midfield.
That's not to say it's a good midfield but it's not a frightening one.
I'm still not sure about Anderson. I don't think he'll ever go on to to hold down a first team place for a period of years. I see him remaining at the club for a very long time and being the sort that will still make about 30 apps in all competitions but I don't think he'll ever be good enough or consistant enough to be a proper regular in the team.
Like we care what the opposition think. Anderson and Cleverely together murdered whoever they faced. Add an inform Carrick for solidity to help cover the defence for them with Young, Nani and Rooney upfront and we'd rape most teams easily.
Not sure about that. Our wide players aren't suited to a 433 and its a set up we use be solid at the back and knick a goal on the counter. We rarely play fluid attacking football with the 433, although I'm sure there are exceptions
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