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Dude, the only person who was patient with Fletcher was SAF and a handful of fans on here. The rest wrote him off compeletely. Just like they are beginning to do with Anderson and Gibson.
Again Scholesy with his bullshit on "technical ability cannot be improve" ....
Natural talent can't but technique can easily be improved
Natural talent can't but technique can easily be improved
The problem for me is Anderson has never shown the creativity to suggest he could play that Giggs role. He just doesn't have the attributes and while I agree about the ambitious passes being a reason why his passing is so hit and miss how often do these ambitious balls work. Nowhere near enough for me.
And numerous players who didn't make it.
Like who?
Correct
Sure mate, I know. Figured it out eventually...it's been long day
Richardson, Miller, Kleberson, Bellion etc.
I've always thought a big reason why those ambitious balls don't work is that he's trying to play them from too deep. If he played 10 metres or so further up the field, he'd have a better chance of pulling them off.
He was supposed to be playing further up the pitch last night.
Didn't stop him pinging a few into the ether, as usual.
Tim Vickery said a few years back that Anderson had "the acceleration of the Millennium Falcon". Its a quote that has always stuck in my mind.
Vickery, if you dont know, is a brilliant journalist that covers South American football for the BBC as well as other football magazines and websites. He does the great 5 Live World Football Phone in.
He is often asked questions about Anderson.
As we all know, Fergie changed Anderson from an attacking centre/left mid to more of a defensive mid - it worked well in his first season.
Vickery has said many times that he, as well as many coaches in Brazil, were baffled when they heard that Fergie was playing Anderson as a defensive mid....
BBC - BBC Sport: Tim Vickery: Anderson provides midfield balance
When you hear about what he produced at the Under 17 World Cup, it makes me wonder if Anderson shouldn’t be playing in behind a striker or at left mid....
I wonder if he lost "the acceleration of the Millennium Falcon" when he broke his leg at Porto.
Vickery, if you dont know, is a brilliant journalist that covers South American football for the BBC as well as other football magazines and websites. He does the great 5 Live World Football Phone in.
He is often asked questions about Anderson.
As we all know, Fergie changed Anderson from an attacking centre/left mid to more of a defensive mid - it worked well in his first season.
Vickery has said many times that he, as well as many coaches in Brazil, were baffled when they heard that Fergie was playing Anderson as a defensive mid....
BBC - BBC Sport: Tim Vickery: Anderson provides midfield balance
When you hear about what he produced at the Under 17 World Cup, it makes me wonder if Anderson shouldn’t be playing in behind a striker or at left mid....
I wonder if he lost "the acceleration of the Millennium Falcon" when he broke his leg at Porto.
Who were never ever trusted with proper first team squad berths like Anderson and Fletcher plus O'shea before them have been. Go figure...
Bottom line too many fans on here don't trust SAF's judgment.
When you watch him in games like last night or at Turf Moor you can see exactly why he should never be playing behind a striker, or at left mid.
Rio Ferdinand played in midfield when he was in his teens. A midfielder he is not.
As for playing brilliantly in a single game in the U-17 World Cup. Sinama-Pongolle was voted player of the tournament a couple of seasons before him and some bloke called Toni Kroos (who?) the season after.
It's okay.
No, World Class he will not be in 2 years, he may never be world class... But neither is Carrick or Fletcher and they both start for us on a regular basis, so that is your point?
His passing is average, but ambitious and you can sense his ideas most times, they just don't have the connection of application... These things can be ironed out with time, many players need time to improve, shocking isn't it?
Yes, i knew that, so are you one of those people that blame him for what is clearly not just his fault?
Keep going... Nothing said there convinces me that you even have 2 clues what you're saying other than bias bullshite.
Which is so tragic, and I think his ability to play these positions may have gone when he broke his leg.
Play regularly, lose weight and gain some confidence. If he is played regularly and there is no signs of development then maybe he's just not good enough.. but I've seen alot of talent from this guy, he's just very hit and miss and the constant chopping and changing is not helping him at all.
Or when he started playing against adults.
He wouldn't be the first teen prodigy to find senior football a completely different prospect to dominating underage tournaments.
He's young though. He may yet become a world class player. feck knows what position though. He doesn't look a natural as an attacking midfielder, that's for sure.
Did not start against Liverpool.
Well said
I'm not sure why you find this entertaining. Seems a bit sad.
I find it hard enough understanding people who think Anderson lacks ability, but to think that he lacks character and bravery is just a step too far. The lad's 20 and he's taken control of the ball when no-one else wanted to plenty of times, he's demanded responsibility to take corners and free kicks, he takes on men plenty and he tries more threatening passes than anyone else in our midfield.
People are going to look very, very silly about Anderson in a few years, one way or the other.
Probably has something to do with Anderson showing a good attitude, a willingness to better himself, a willingness to take responsibility whereas Nani's occasionally shown the opposite, and attitude's a big part of being a United player.
If Nani's been better it makes very little sense that Sir Alex deems Anderson a better choice to play in games in a much more difficult position, with much more competition.
Just a thought like, don't let that get in the way of your Nani-bias which you've made blatantly clear plenty of times.
Not for the first time you misunderstand totaly....a real problem of yours....Carricks dear mother...
To be fair though, he's right, you constantly underrate the usefulness of what Carrick does. Just because you like your midfielders to have a tangible impact on the game, in an attacking or defensive sense, doesn't mean it's the only(or best) way to do it. On the contrary, I feel that a midfielder's most important job is making it easier for the rest of the team to play rather than performing individually themselves - the fact that Carrick keeps getting games despite rarely shining individually, and the fact that we look a more cohesive side with him in it than without, is testament to this and would imply Sir Alex sees it the same way.
On Anderson:
I've only watched the first half of the game, getting onto the second now, but if anyone was invisible last night it was Anderson. Carrick was the best midfielder on the pitch in the first half, played the best pass of the half and gave us composure in midfield that we sorely lack without him(or with Anderson, basically).
He doesn't find space well enough, again referring back to yesterday he struggled to find space so much(despite every one of our other midfielders finding plenty of it) that Rooney had to do his job and Anderson's job, dropping deep to keep the play flowing when Anderson was just wandering about aimlessly.
You're seemingly obsessed with getting the best out of individual players.
There's plenty of evidence to prove that that's not the way to make a great team, or a successful one. You can keep thinking that way but it's silly, these individual players aren't going to get played as often as you want them to, and the experienced players will, so complaining about it won't help.
Watching us, and seeing that we're so successful despite not doing it by playing every young player with potential whenever possible, should be enough for you to rethink your opinion on it, I'd have thought.
Rooney's not playing in his best position. Rafael's not playing enough. Anderson's not playing in his best position or playing enough.
Sir Alex isn't perfect but the amount of things you call him up on would imply he's wrong a lot more often than he really is.
Well said Pogue, but you can't fault one for missing this point.
It's really either you think he's peaked now, or you think he's got unlimited resource to improve... Our opinions are poppycock compared to that gum chewer on our bench, if Fergie sees Anderson fit for improvement then so be it.
Thats probably because he rarely plays in an attacking position anymore - in the same way that you should judge a player from a single game, you shouldn’t judge one from two games.
I admit to not having watched Anderson all that much at Porto, but from what i did see, there seemed very little signs that he would be a defensive mid.
Its seems very strange that we would buy, for a pretty huge sum, an extremely promising attacking centre/left mid and turn him into a more of a defensive midfielder.
At the moment, Anderson looks neither a good attacking, all-round or defensive midfielder. Perhaps switching positions has done him no favours.
FYI - Toni Kroos is a real talent. He at Leverkusen on loan, but is owned by Bayern Munich.
Midfield Checklist:
1.A midfield needs to be able win the ball, through intercepting on the floor or aerially.
2.A midfield needs to retain posession.
3.A midfield needs to be able to create chances, via through balls or long range defence splitting passes.
4.A midfield needs to be able to spread the play.
5.A midfield must be able to exert concerted pressure in an opponents half and be dangerous from long range (shoot whenever there is an opening).
Scary thing is that Scholes is responsible for the last 4 and he's past it. We really need someone to fill that gaping hole.
1.A midfield needs to be able win the ball, through intercepting on the floor or aerially.
2.A midfield needs to retain posession.
3.A midfield needs to be able to create chances, via through balls or long range defence splitting passes.
4.A midfield needs to be able to spread the play.
5.A midfield must be able to exert concerted pressure in an opponents half and be dangerous from long range (shoot whenever there is an opening).
Scary thing is that Scholes is responsible for the last 4 and he's past it. We really need someone to fill that gaping hole.
And Gibson?
Fletch and Carrick ticks all those boxes.
Ever Banega plays like a 27 year old Anderson. But really he's the same age. If you'd describe Ozil as an 'attacking midfielder' then he too is a better midfielder than Anderson. Probably in the top 3 midfielders aged 21 or under but certainly not he best.
And Fabregas is 22 anyway.
Ever Banega is the dogs bollocks.
I have seen a lot of him in the last few weeks - Valencia seem to always be on Sky at the moment.
So impressed with him - he scored a cracker against Villareal at the weekend. He is such a good passer of the ball and he covers so much ground.
Hes the one thats making Valencia tick this season.
On one end, you can say he's just not cut out for it all... On the other, you have to look at the coaching staff and Fergie.
It's suicide to declare them in the wrong for Andersons potential failure by most supporters on here, but you have to give an sniff at the point that maybe they just weren't handling him right.
1. Carrick and Fletcher both do very well, especially as a duo.
2. Likewise.
3. Penetrative passes don't equate to through balls or defence splitting passes, that's very simplistic and thus very wrong. Carrick's always been very good at playing the delicate, inviting pass that creates space over a short distance and it's led to him being involved as the second or third assister in a lot of our goals, more in the previous three seasons than this. Fletcher's getting better at playing a creative pass but he's not great at it. Think both have room for improvement here, Fletcher more so.
4. Carrick does this very well, Fletcher does it well. Scholes does it magnificently, better than we'll see from a midfielder in our team for another few years yet(at least), I reckon.
5. Barca's midfield aren't great from range, they're still far and away the best midfielder around, proof enough that that's not what you need in midfield i's just a useful add-on.
Im not sure, but i just find it strange that we convert a player who looked so good forward into more of a defensive mid.
I guess Fergie and the coaching staff know best.
If he continues at his current level, is he considered a flop?
No, he'd be, as you'd say "A squad player"
My Guess is that we tried/are trying to convert him into a more rounded player.
Ever Banega has had more seasons and more games in the professional setup than Anderson.
Hot and Cold? I'd guess we'd consider him a young lad worth waiting for to mature. If he remains the same in say 2 years time or at most 3. Then yes he'd be a flop.
You really think he is going to be first choice one day?
Creating a team is a mixture of having a philosophy and buying players which will fit in and adhere to that philosophy and one of compromise.. where you have a player at your disposal who is so talented, that you evolve your initial traditional thoughts on the game and adapt to the circumstances to get the best out of them, why? because in the long run it'll lead to better results.
There is no point putting Square pegs in round holes, its arrogant and can prove detrimental. Likes of O'shea, Fletch can play in any formation.. but you'd be an idiot to build a team around their talent.
Someone like Rooney is so talented, you have to accomodate him and provide him with a platform on which he can run a game.. there are plenty of great teams through history who built themselves around a marquee player and allowed them to flourish.
When Capello took over England, he saw Wayne as the elite player in English football and identified that he would build his team around him ..knowing fully well that by doing so, he is placing his trust in the most talented player in the set up. It's a calculated risk.
You might think we're successful, but I can honestly say the past two years have been really bad to watch.. we're winning, but machine like and grinding our way through results. If you're happy to win and watch crap football thats your perogative, I for one just want to enjoy watching my team play exciting football and dominating teams not merely getting away with close results, thats not the United way.
Arsenal take the 'beautiful football' principle too far, but if anything I've never found them that exciting, pass pass pass, I like to see dribbling, crosses into the box..long range shots.. the sheer variety is what makes United stand out
Carrick and Fletch does not equal beautiful football, Scholes is what provided us with beautiful football from midfield but sadly his past days are behind him. Who is the other supposedly flair player we have in midfield .. it is Anderson, either you give him a proper long run in the team see what he's made of or you get rid and buy someone who can.
Then there is Neville, why on earth is he even in the squad.. Fergie in his younger days would not have kept Neville, he is getting more sentimental in his older days.. and resorts to older players instead of risking youth and looking at the bigger picture... I think the Glazers are behind this strategy as anything less than instant results will lead to financial catastrophe.
I've always rated Fergie as the best in the game, even when he does make baffling decisions he learns from his mistakes, but when it comes to the issue of the older players it annoys me big time I won't lie to you.
I actually thought Carrick should have been taken off for Owen, not Ando.
I admit that I love Ando but I felt that at least Anderson was trying things, attempting to get a final ball through to Rooney, which lets be honest, was hardly easy when he was trying to find Rooney amongst 4 defenders. I noticed Anderson, when Owen was warming up, I was trying to think which midfielder i would take off and the fact that it took me much longer to remember Carrick was playing made the decision for me. But I understand why Ando was taken off. Carrick would be more composed and less likely to waste a chance in the last few minutes.
I still think Ando is a gem, yet to be cut and polished.
I admit that I love Ando but I felt that at least Anderson was trying things, attempting to get a final ball through to Rooney, which lets be honest, was hardly easy when he was trying to find Rooney amongst 4 defenders. I noticed Anderson, when Owen was warming up, I was trying to think which midfielder i would take off and the fact that it took me much longer to remember Carrick was playing made the decision for me. But I understand why Ando was taken off. Carrick would be more composed and less likely to waste a chance in the last few minutes.
I still think Ando is a gem, yet to be cut and polished.
Yes Scholesy.
But we all know your viewpoint. There really isn't one guy who thinks technique can't be improved after 16 years other than you. You don't like the lad we get it.
We on the Other hand and i hope i write for Searl here, are prepared to wait for another year or two, to see if he is able to bring out his talent.
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