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You have to picked on merit and on this seasons form he simply isn't deserving of a regular starting berth
Is Carricks form really deserving of it though? Do Carricks performances really merit a starting spot week in week out?
Ahead of Anderson, without doubt
On what Basis though? thats all im asking...
The problem is, he's not been given the credit when he has done the job asked of him well. All anyone concentrates on is the "hollywood" balls. No one notices him harrassing the opposition players, moving the ball forwards to get the other players further up the field, nor his energetic displays where he's one moment passing the ball to the attackers the next helping out the defence. The only midfielder of Merit this year has been Fletcher. You can pick holes out of all of them this season. All I'm saying is, give this lad the chance, of a consistent run of games against lower opposition.
On their performances this season, taking into account Carrick filling in at centre half as well
Those are the things he's good at, no doubt. But this season in particular when given the chance he hasn't grabbed it, Leeds and tonight's match spring to mind. Tonight was a big opportunity for the boy to stake a genuine claim,especially when considering Carricks form, but he was absolutely invisible and didn't show even a glimmer of what he's capable of and it's getting so frustrating.
Its funny you mention him at centre half i actually ironically think some of Carricks best performances this season have come when he played there, i thought he stood in very well when asked, unfortunately he hasn’t stood up in the midfield when asked.
You say on the performances this season, well surely considering Andersons not had either the continued run in midfield nor the consistent partnering of a solid player alongside to help him as Carrick has it hardly reflects fairly on their relative performances? i honestly right now couldn’t tell you the last time Carrick had an excellent match in midfield, could you? could anyone? hes been steady solid at times and other times like tonight way off the pace but i don’t remember him having any standout games for a long time, and in a way that’s my point, surely given the run of matches hes had he hasn’t really performed well enough to justify his place in the team week in week out.
In my opinion if Anderson were given a run of playing the next 10 games consistently with Fletcher or at least an able midfield companion hed produce a lot more than Carrick has done this season.
Can't stand seeing him in the line up anymore.
It's something I would like to see happen but I feel that Fergie sees Carrick as the safer option at the moment and performances like tonight from Ando won't help him change his mind
When he's available, he does like to intrust the person with the ball where to pass it. Not a bad thing, just an observation.
Ive always noticed his harassing of the opposition hence why Ive always said we should just use him as a holding midfielder. He really gets into cutting off passes, taking an attacking mid or forward on. But his passing and shooting is that of a young Darren Fletcher. Passing to everything and everyone but his teammates.
Yeah i agree with that i think Carrick is seen as the safer option and comes back to my point about him being steady, i think that words best sums up Carrick these last few months (before that woeful comes to mind) but he is generally steady but far from his best, where as Anderson being young and still developing is patchy and maybe thats influencing the selection....a safer bet rather than a potentially greater one taking a little bit of time to get there.
Oh good, an actual valid, coherent response.
Refresh my memory, most of his best games that I remember have come in 3 man midfields, like Chelsea last year. I think Pool 07/08 was a 2 man, and he was good. This season, there have been a few decent games against weaker opposition, but hell, Gibsons had a few good games against weaker opposition too hardly says a lot does it? . There have been feck all games this season he's played against good teams in a 2 man midfield and done well.
I agree for the first 2 months he was poor, no doubting that, but since then he's been dropped, injured, and had to pay in central defense. You lot are going on about Anderson getting a run of games, but Carrick hasn't really had any either.
He hasn't had a chance too, I think he's been (bar tonight) much better than he was at the start of the season in his last few games, not surprising as he's back in CM and starting to get a decent run. I'd much prefer to give Carrick a proper spell than Anderson, because he's just so much more likely to hit his previous consistent form than Anderson is likely to hit any form at all.
I'm sure Carrick can easily step up to his previous years. You're seriously suggesting making one of our best players of our tremendous 3 previous seasons step aside so we can give a 21 year old, unproven player a chance instead, just because he's had a bad first half to the season? I don't get it...
Refresh my memory, most of his best games that I remember have come in 3 man midfields, like Chelsea last year. I think Pool 07/08 was a 2 man, and he was good. This season, there have been a few decent games against weaker opposition, but hell, Gibsons had a few good games against weaker opposition too hardly says a lot does it? . There have been feck all games this season he's played against good teams in a 2 man midfield and done well.
I agree for the first 2 months he was poor, no doubting that, but since then he's been dropped, injured, and had to pay in central defense. You lot are going on about Anderson getting a run of games, but Carrick hasn't really had any either.
He hasn't had a chance too, I think he's been (bar tonight) much better than he was at the start of the season in his last few games, not surprising as he's back in CM and starting to get a decent run. I'd much prefer to give Carrick a proper spell than Anderson, because he's just so much more likely to hit his previous consistent form than Anderson is likely to hit any form at all.
I'm sure Carrick can easily step up to his previous years. You're seriously suggesting making one of our best players of our tremendous 3 previous seasons step aside so we can give a 21 year old, unproven player a chance instead, just because he's had a bad first half to the season? I don't get it...
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You wonder why people slate your opinion and and mock your idiocracy, when your statements in regards to a player who is but a kid still are not only ridiculously harsh, but almost like a frenchman reading hebrew... If you're this quick to write off Anderson, then I fear for your first born... Hell, do you keep a job or girlfriend longer than 2 weeks?
I hate doing this but you irk me to the point I have to point it out, debate with me, here, right now, in a civilized manner and if you can make ANY sense whatsoever, I will never EVER target your posts or opinions again.
I'm a very very big Anderson fanboi. But he was a bit under the weather yesterday wasn't he?
Still the best 21 y.o. midfielder not named Fabregas. Beat that doommongers.
Still the best 21 y.o. midfielder not named Fabregas. Beat that doommongers.
I'm seriously doubting his future at United. I see no development in his game.
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on the basis that he can pass a ball and score the occasional goal
Really i think his shots have improved this season (most seem on target), his fitness seems better as hes not huffing and puffing after 60 min and his passing on his right foot has definatly improved 10 fold. But other than that hes not improved at all
Are you one of the ones who still think Anderson will become world class in 2 years then?
Can you not see that his passing and technique are average?
Did you know that he has started in all of our defeats this season?
His passing and technique are inconsistent. He's capable of pulling of some brilliant passes, but he also throws in plenty of stupid mishit balls. In fact, it's often his decision making about which ball to play which is more of a problem than the actual pass itself.
As he gets more experienced his judgement about which ball to play should certainly improve, and hopefully he'll improve his consistency in making the passes.
He'll never be 'world class' based purely on his passing and technique, but if he can maximise those abilities and combine them with his pace, power and workrate, while improving his decision making...that's when we could have a real player on our hands.
Djemba Djemba Mark II, except Eric scored more goals.
His passing lets him down and he loses the ball when we are in an advanced attacking move. Having said this, he is young and remember a certain Darren Fletcher being slated for the same thing not too long ago on this very forum. Central mids usually take longer to mature than players in other positions because the position is the engine room of any team. He possesses the qualities to become a good player like Fletcher. He won't be world class per say but I think he will develop into a good player for us. We were patient with Fletcher and I think we should be patient with Ando because he has shown what he is capable of in the past. I would love to see what folks say about Ando 2 years from now. Would be interesting to say the least.
Sensible post. Anderson is simply inconsitient with his passing. The rest of his game is pretty good (never going to be a goalscorer). Perhaps squad rotation isn't helping him? Can't really tell, but he's certainly having issues with maintaining his form.
He was poor last night, but he still gives me glimpses of enough promise to believe that he can be the shit, he has time on his side. Currently tho, he is not the creative answer in a 3 man midfield.
I keep telling myself this.
The problem is, we only see one of these "brilliant passes" about once every 3 or 4 games.
I'd like to see a few less attempts at brilliant passes and a lot more "good" passes which actually find a United player.
People on this message board were most certainly not patient with Fletcher, I think is his point. He got a lot of stick from fans.
SAF was patient with Fletcher would probably be a more accurate way of putting it.
SAF was patient with Fletcher would probably be a more accurate way of putting it.
Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson and Tevez.........I was over the moon....Hmmm.
Fletcher was played at RM alot of times, not his position.
He has always had the technique, but not the physical power. Hes developed this and looks a much stronger player.
Anderson has all of the physical power, but less technical ability, and since this is a talent, it cant improve, and therefore will continue to be an £18M squad player (if Fergie doesn't sell)...
I have to say that I've come to the point where I have doubts if Anderson is what we cracked him up to be. Cracking characetr and understandably popular but his performances don't match the hype. He gives posession away more than any midfileder we have, provides no goal threat and for a player who came with a reputation as an attacking midfielder he creates next to nothing. He can be powerful for twenty minutes or so then he inevitably tires and disappears from the game. There's a lot more bad than good about his game at the minute.
A lot of ifs and whens in there.
Ah si si, thanks for clearing that up. And he is right, a daft from me. Long day...
I still think his potential is there, he's very inconsistent in showing it mind, probably even more inconsistent than Nani, but it's there. To suggest that he should be made a prominent first team player at Carricks expense is madness though.
Really i think his shots have improved this season (most seem on target), his fitness seems better as hes not huffing and puffing after 60 min and his passing on his right foot has definatly improved 10 fold. But other than that hes not improved at all
You would think the qualification to play for Manchester United would be a little more than having shots on target and the fitness levels to last a full football match. He's a professional footballer ffs.
No denying that. It's far from certain he will reach his potential, and in fact I've always said I doubt he will in a two man midfield. He's an impact player, not a 'control the team around' player. Closer to Giggs playing in the midfield, rather than a Scholes. Giggs has always missed a lot of passes, simply because he's an ambitious passer. That's a good thing further up the field (as long as he's not giving the ball away all the time of course), but not something you'd want in a two man midfield on a consistent basis.
And that's exactly how I see Anderson as well, he has the talent to play that attacking role like Giggs has over the last few seasons, but he sits deeper in the central midfield even when he is supposed to be the most attacking member of the three.
At the end of the day, he's only 21.
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