i disagree, his energy would be best suited when running from deep. We've tried him higher up the pitch a few times and it so far hasn't worked..
the comparison with Park? Park can pass
the comparison with Park? Park can pass
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How can you lose the ability to pass, just by learning a more disciplined approach?
It's not so much the ability, rather the confidence. He still wasn't a great passer (EDIT: on review of some of his work I take it back, he could find some great spots, maybe not a reliable-type of passer but prone to find wonderful lines every now and then) or shooter with us, but he played much further ahead and looked much more threatening on that position. He only played about 20 games here, due to injury, but still very young, scored 2 goals, as many as in all these years at United, and was very close to scoring a lot more, so dangerous were his runs.
He could recover balls due to his strength and will, but that wasn't a responsibility he had and I still think the defensive responsibilities and more defined position on the pitch may have hindered his progression. If he was going to become a better player had he stayed here it's mere speculation, but still the general opinion of most Portuguese football fans.
The way I see Ando and based on just his time with us is that he'll pull a Nani if he is given a consistent run in the team. The weighting of his passing in game conditions can be off at first but, usually if he plays a few games in a row, it seems like you can see it coming about. Only problem is either he has got hurt or ended up not playing again for several games and then back to square one. It's one of those things where once it clicks for him, it will just be there long term.
If you look at the reserves game he played in the other day and this is regarding his shooting, he had couple of very good attempts on goal and that stems from confidence, the confidence he had from the 2 goals the game before (in the reserves). After he scored those reserve goals, he contrived to miss a great opportunity against Fulham.
I caught the tail end of the Shitty game and when he came on, it was great to see him drive forward with the ball, it makes such a big difference to our game. So often we see others receive the ball at midfield and with yards of space instead of moving forward, will look for the pass. Anderson helps drive defenses back - once he is able to be confident enough - his pass should improve, the vision is there, he sees so many things just the final ball lets him down.
I hope he plays today with Carrick, it will be good for him and also Carrick as well since he plays well with Ando.
If you look at the reserves game he played in the other day and this is regarding his shooting, he had couple of very good attempts on goal and that stems from confidence, the confidence he had from the 2 goals the game before (in the reserves). After he scored those reserve goals, he contrived to miss a great opportunity against Fulham.
I caught the tail end of the Shitty game and when he came on, it was great to see him drive forward with the ball, it makes such a big difference to our game. So often we see others receive the ball at midfield and with yards of space instead of moving forward, will look for the pass. Anderson helps drive defenses back - once he is able to be confident enough - his pass should improve, the vision is there, he sees so many things just the final ball lets him down.
I hope he plays today with Carrick, it will be good for him and also Carrick as well since he plays well with Ando.
You see a 17 year old kid making runs like these and you obviously expect something close to Maradona will turn out, not a Scholesque player. There were plenty of examples like these on the little time he was here uninjured.
FC Porto, jogada Anderson, 28 min - SAPO Desporto
FC Porto, jogada Anderson, 51 min - SAPO Desporto
FC Porto, jogada Anderson, 28 min - SAPO Desporto
FC Porto, jogada Anderson, 51 min - SAPO Desporto
The first one is not much of a run to be fair. Second one is quality.
Yeah, I was seeking the second and as that one was close I posted it as well. But he was really magic, some eye for ground breaks as well. He really had an impressive number of assists, if only two goals. This second pass is superb. And I remind you, that's a 17 year old that grabbed a place in the first 11 in few weeks, we may not be United but I never saw anyone with less than 20 years old playing regularly here...
FC Porto, jogada L. Lopez, 41 min - SAPO Desporto
FC Porto, jogada Adriano, 1 min - SAPO Desporto
The first one is a good indication of what he is capable of in terms of holding off challenges with his strength - in this particular instance able to get a decent shot off as well.
This is what I love about him when you have him barreling down on you like that - defenders have to commit, so if he can't get a shot off, can open up space for our forwards. Too often defenders or even DM can sit back and close up space because we are passing the ball out in front of them - makes it harder to find space for our front players.
Just hope no more injuries (and he won't get selected for Copa America) so will have a good summer off and then a proper pre-season. Should make for a monster season by him.
Clique you are still at it with this lad.
But he deserves a fair shake next season. If he can stay fit and find form he has a good chance of finally making it.
As i will till the end of his career at United. I shall remain optimistic about the lad.Ronaldinho made his name initially for his flair and his wide repertoire of tricks; it was i believe later that his passing was recognised to be insanely good. I'm guessing Anderson got his next ronaldinho nickname just by coming through Germio and furthermore having tricks up his sleeve. I'm fairly certain Carlos Alberto doesn't mean he'll become a Ronaldinho clone (Goofy had a complete skill set), i believe him to be thinking along the lines of Anderson being capable of showcasing his tricks and being as effective as goofy was with his tricks.
What we at United are trying to do, and this is purely my own opinion from him playing, is induct some defensive things into his game so that he would be effective in a 2 man midfield. He wasn't that good for us to change our system for him, so we changed him to our system. There are somethings he is now better at than before, his positioning for example is better, he doesn't stand there like an oaf anymore. His passing will always be erratic; but with a little constraint i still believe we could have a player with a passing stat in the high 80 in terms of percentage.
I think he would be best utilised when he's allowed to take the ball into advanced positions i.e. run with the ball. Giving him lesser space to run with the ball would be detrimental to our play. So no him, higher up the pitch in our league isn't going to work out. Maybe Spain or Italy would see him flourish in such a role.
You under rate his passing quite enormously. He does send a few hollywood passes in a game and most of his games would have a high 70% completion rate. But he does send a fair few passes that open the game up or create chances. Park i've never seen play passes with great accuracy, i'm not comparing his range with Anderson or any other player here, i'm just saying. Passing isn't what comes to mind immediately when park is mentioned.
whats interesting about both these videos is that, he tends to shoot at the end of his runs. Was this because he was the main man in your team then? Plus both his shots work the goalie. Something which is a rare occurrence these days.
And also I think he's carrying too much weight. His assets are his speed and strength. He is usually good at keeping the ball. If he gets passing down.... not even so much as shooting...he'd be a top player. The only person worse than Ando at shooting is Evra! GHASTLY!
He was just immensely confident, he took his men, he scored his first goal at his 3rd or 4th appearance, provided assists, etc. Basically he had more freedom, that was the role asked of him, get the ball and take it near goal, other players were here to do the work he's now asked to do at United.
I could never seem him work out in a two man midfield, and like you said he wasn't good enough for United to change their system for him. I think it's one of those cases where a great club and a great player just weren't made for each other.
I think Anderson is a great player, but he's played defensivley because he can't shoot for toffee.
His aim is atrocious, and for a playmaker or attacking midfielder i'd want a far greater goal threat.
Always had the same view on this man, great runner, dynamic and great strength.
Just can not pass or shoot..
Just can not pass or shoot..
Not really, I agree that a playmaker needs a goal threat in his repertoire, but that wasn't the reason he was played defensively, no one knew he didn't had a goal threat in him because he had a good goal/assist-to-appearance ratio for a midfielder until he joined United.
The reason he's played defensively it's because in a two-man midfield both players have defensive responsibilities, and he's not a winger. The only way he could play further ahead on United would be in a 4-5-1 but naturally the games that United play like this weren't the more logical games for him to start gaining minutes.
From the beginning it was said he was intended as a long-term replacement for Scholes, and that was the wrong premise to start with, as they're two completely different players and it's very unlikely that he could excel at that role never having been tested at it before.
So he's confidence player then?. A run of games always seems to get him going.
Can't you see it in those videos? If that's not confidence I don't know what it is
I think that's in the past though, he's a different player now, most of his professional career was spent at United already... And I haven't followed him that much recently really, most of what I know about him is from the feedback I get here on the cafe. I speak only of what I saw at the time, and that was a 17 year old with a level of talent I've yet to see around here. Despite the huge amount of money we got for him, most Porto fans will tell you that was the player it most hurt them to lose.
Not every "great" player (and he was a promising kid, not "great") can cope with the pace and intensity of the Premier League. At the end of the day, the Portugese league is a lower standard than the PL, so it's quite possible for a young player to thrive in Portugal, yet struggle in England, for reasons that have nothing to do with his position/role in the team.
Look at how long Nani took to really thrive at United? He's older than Anderson, was signed at the same time as him and only really came good just over 12 months ago. He also seems to be someone who puts a lot more effort in terms of diet/exercise/lifestyle - when you compare their physiques - and has been a lot luckier with injuries (which may be related to my previous point)
I still think Anderson will come good. He's already put in some fantastic performances this season, which are hopefully a glimpse of the future, if he can perform at that level consistently. He just needs to look at Nani for inspiration and match his hard work and patience. If he can do that, then he really will deserve to be called a great player one day.
That's all very true, it wasn't just because it was United that I think it was a bad choice for him, but because of being the Premier League as well, there wasn't much of a history of players from our league succeeding there as there was in Spain or Italy in comparison. However, while we can argue his failure to cope with the physicality as a reason for him not delivering as much as expected, there's no reason to dismiss the different role/position argument, because it's a plain fact that playing where Scholes, Carrick or Fletcher use to play was something he was never tested on and entirely different from his role at Gremio, Porto and Brazil U's.
Nani was a great surprise on the positive side, if you could read what was written in Portuguese forums at the time... He really seemed to be on a down at the time and most considered it a great deal for Sporting (as in overpaid). Anyone would tell you that Anderson was by far the better prospect of the two.
These things can be really unpredictable, more yet when they're so young.
Very true. It's an incredibly inexact science predicting the future for talented teenagers. So many variables can affect the outcome. I just hope Anderson does his best to influence the variable that are in his own control, eats well, trains hard and gets as physically fit as it is possible to be. He's got nobody to blame but himself for occasionally looking overweight and frequently struggling to last 90 minutes.
That's the beauty of it. Players evolve. You just need to look at past the 'he can only become this and that blahblah' and think outside of it. Part of his game might diminish, but instead we'll have another monster of a player if things pan out the way it's intended to be. Like with Nani, he will show his talent on a consistent basis soon.
And just because he doesn't play like Scholes, it doesn't mean he can't replace him. He will just do it his way. Kanchelskis-Beckham-Ole-Ronaldo-Valencia..
If there's 1 thing more frustrating with Anderson's inability to find a red shirt, it's his inability to move into space to receive a pass.
Run into space and create the angle for pass. That's schoolboy shit.
Run into space and create the angle for pass. That's schoolboy shit.
No dynamism or running tonight though..
He looked fat, slow and his touch is like one of my shots!!
Is he really a Brazilian??
Is he really a Brazilian??
Awful today.
Why wasn't he taken off at half-time is beyond me.
One good pass all match.
Why wasn't he taken off at half-time is beyond me.
One good pass all match.
Liked his activity around the 18 yard box, driving forward and playing 1-2s. Looked fitter tonight than earlier aswell
What game were you watching? He looked horribly unfit.
He wasn't at the races at all tonight, i was expecting him to put in a better shift for us than he did.
I'm not sure but I thought we started playing a little bit better when he went off.
Off fitness. He really is a form player.
He plays as if he weights 100kgs
I rate his talent super high but he was poor today. I don't understand why he doesn't make himself available to receive the ball more. Needs to take more responsibility.
He just irks me at times.
Those holywood balls that are miles off target over the years has caused me so much stress.
Those holywood balls that are miles off target over the years has caused me so much stress.
Maybe lack of confidence, he doesn't wanna feck up
He just never, ever, ever looks fully fit. I'd love to know how many times he's completed full games in contrast to being subbed in the last 2 to 3 years.
They were actually about the only thing he did right tonight. He made about 2 - one cross ball to Nani and one through ball to Hernandez which nearly resulted in a big chance.
Well off the pace tonight, I thought we should have made the Valencia switch, with Giggs moving central, at half time.
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