Subbed off in the 55th minute. Very un-Fergie like time that.
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He' simply not that good
That's not true. He was excellent in the last game he started and superb around Christmas time.
Woeful today though. Turns into Liam Miller as soon as we leave Old Trafford.
Anderson in having a stinker away from home shocker. I really don't understand why he keep getting games away from home. I'd sooner have O'Shea in the middle.
Anyone know why Scholes wasn't on the bench? Would have been a great option for the last 30 minutes.
EDIT: still frigging banned, isn't he? Damn that red card was stupid...
EDIT: still frigging banned, isn't he? Damn that red card was stupid...
Suspended.
Currently I think Wilshire is a level above the Brazilian.
In fairness, he's in good company in that regard. Our squad as a whole has looked like a fish up a tree once away from the comforts of OT.
I might be slightly blinded by my loyalty to him, but I don't think he was THAT bad today. Just like the Newcastle game, I think he's been harshly judged and a 5 or 6 out of 10 has been deemed to be worse than the reality. Expectations of him are excessive in the extreme it seems, when he plays bad he's slammed on here, when he plays well, he's still criticised for some reason.
The boy is good enough, of that there is no question IMO. He's proven it in the past and will do so again. We just need to find a way of getting the best out of him consistently, and as I've said many a time, we need to define his role a little better.
You think?
I think they are on a similar level technically, but Wilshere has more mobility and energy. So I'd probably agree with you.
I'm sure if Wilshere too had spent a couple of months on the sidelines, he too would struggle for consistency and top form(which I think Ando got near to against Everton last week, he was superb).
They are different player's anyway and are being asked to do different things within their respective sides. To compare them is futile.
Only 1 level?
I thought the suspension was completed.
Starting to have doubts about Anderson to be honest
fo sho.
I just don't see it. Seems the talent may have been vastly overrated.
I don't even think Anderson matches up there.
Wilshere is a much better player than Anderson
A hell of a lot younger too
A hell of a lot younger too
Sarcasm Boss.
Regarding Anderson, Been unlucky with injuries but has to start finding his feet away from as well and what the feck is it with his shooting ? Big husky lad, why cant he generate more power ?
Invisible. Seemed to not have too much of a clue what to do without the ball.
A shame because I really hoped for a good performance from him today
A shame because I really hoped for a good performance from him today
Seriously don't get me started on his shooting, I'm not in the best of spirits to go there.
Oh feck off. They are both player's who can dribble, both player's who can pick out short and long range passes very well, and both can't hit a barn door when it comes to their shooting prowess. The only difference is that one is English and the saviour of the national team, and the other is a Brazilian. It's funny what a bit of pro-English hype can do for ones reputation
Anonymous today, a complete contrast to his excellent performance last weekend, but that sums him up, when we are all possession he shines, but when it is a midfield battle like today, he just can't get into the game.
Dunno about that Wire, Wilshere certainly looks better at the moment, and this not based on a single match or a month's worth of performances. Perhaps Anderson would be better off in Arsenal's style of play or maybe just getting twenty-odd matches in a row. I dunno.
Maybe he's been vastly overrated. Maybe he had the talent in a lesser league and dominated other players his age or with lesser talent. Maybe he was better off remaining at Porto for another year or two or have been loaned out to a bottom-table side a short time ago.
Maybe he's been vastly overrated. Maybe he had the talent in a lesser league and dominated other players his age or with lesser talent. Maybe he was better off remaining at Porto for another year or two or have been loaned out to a bottom-table side a short time ago.
Oh feck off. They are both player's who can dribble, both player's who can pick out short and long range passes very well, and both can't hit a barn door when it comes to their shooting prowess. The only difference is that one is English and the saviour of the national team, and the other is a Brazilian. It's funny what a bit of pro-English hype can do for ones reputation
Christ on a bike.
I don't care about the national team so that arguments out of the window. The evidence isn't from hype it's what everyone can see with their own eyes. Wilshere is a better footballer than Anderson.
Oh feck off. They are both player's who can dribble, both player's who can pick out short and long range passes very well, and both can't hit a barn door when it comes to their shooting prowess. The only difference is that one is English and the saviour of the national team, and the other is a Brazilian. It's funny what a bit of pro-English hype can do for ones reputation
Despite the hype and hyperbole surrounding Wilshere, there's really no argument here. Wilshere is better than Anderson atm. Most people will tell you that.
I'll admit that once Wilshere accomplishes what Anderson has...Scores a key penalty under severe pressure in a CL final, plays an integral role in reaching another CL final and two league winning seasons, wins the Golden Ball for best young player in the world, wins player of the tournement at a youth tournement, and earns the widespread admiration and excitement from non too shabby judges such as Alberto, Zagallo, Scolari, and Ronaldinho.
Wilshere has more finesse to his game, Anderson is less easy on the eye. But in many other ways they are similar. If Wilshere breaks his leg and then suffers a few long-term injuries, I'm sure he'd find the going a little tough aswell, not to mention he's not had to adapt to a new club or new culture like Anderson has had to.
Have people forgotten the outstanding display Anderson put in last week by the way? You'd think he was constantly churning out shit performances the way this thread is going.
Oh feck off. They are both player's who can dribble, both player's who can pick out short and long range passes very well, and both can't hit a barn door when it comes to their shooting prowess. The only difference is that one is English and the saviour of the national team, and the other is a Brazilian. It's funny what a bit of pro-English hype can do for ones reputation
Utter bull shit. It's not the fact he's English that makes him better, it's the SEASON of consistently good performances he's put in. Something we've never had from Anderson.
I felt he was the wrongg person to take off tbh. Maybe eventually, but I had no complaints about him.
Wilshere this season has been more consistent than Anderson's ever been for us over a long period. I'd swap them in a heartbeat. Not to say Anderson can't be a good player for us, but he's too patchy at the moment.
Ah/. Now were are back to dissing Anderson. Okay...
I can see why though after today's performance. Not that our other players on the field were any better mind. I though Rooney, Hernandez, Nani, Valencia and Rio all had pretty underwhelming performances.
They get their fair amount of criticism in other threads as well though.
Yep.
Not me Chief, felt it was the wrong sub to make.
He's been utter wank since January, interupted by a good game at home to Barca, barring that he's been nowhere near as influential as the media would have you believe. If he wasn't English, he'd have recieved nowhere near the praise he has, nor would he have won YPOTY.
How can you say we've never had a consistent season from Ando when he's never been able to have a run free of injury as long as that? He arrived on the back of a broken leg, had a very good 1st season, then he went to Olympics and came back well behind everyone else in terms of preparation for the new season, then he picked up a cruciate injury last season, then this season he returned only in November, performed superbly for about 6 weeks but unfortunately picked up another long-term injury which he only just returned from 3 weeks ago.
Any criticism has to be tempered with that in mind aswell as the talent he has shown in the past. People are way too quick to pass judgements on this guy when taking all his circumstances into account.
He was very inconsistent, at some times very awful, a few stand out games makes people rewrite history.
Never had? He was very good for us at home the whole season. Our whole team goes cack when we are away from home which is very strange anyway. It's not only him.
I agree 100%. It is the reason we went 1-0 down. We had been comfortable up to that point.
There was no such thing as a battle today. Till he went off Carrick and Anderson were controlling Arsenal comfortably, without they or Rooney being forceful enough with their passing.
A lot of Asnl fans have been saying that Wilshere has been inconsistant since Feb, just because we see one performance by him where he plays well we assume thats the norm? I bet if people watched our home games they would talk up Anderson. Wilshere is a good player but i would like to see how he does when hes had as many injuries as Ando
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