Are Russia preparing for WW3?

Raoul said:
That's Putins problem not Obamas. It was his actions that invaded Ukraine and Syria.
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That's exactly the kind of arrogant bullshit that has led to the current crisis. Putin hasn't invaded Syria, Russians are there officially, by request of the country president, something you cannot say about Americans and their so-called coalition. The USA interfering in everyone's business, wiping their asses with international law and creating chaos everywhere they go is what's wrong with the picture and that's what caused Russia's reaction.

Now that Americans are getting bitch slapped in Syria and their "moderate" jihadists are getting crushed in Aleppo they use all the western propaganda tricks to turn Putin and Russia into bad guys. The problem is, Russians don't give a shit and that's something the US are not used to, hence the hysteria.
 
antihenry said:
That's exactly the kind of arrogant bullshit that has led to the current crisis. Putin hasn't invaded Syria, Russians are there officially, by request of the country president, something you cannot say about Americans and their so-called coalition. The USA interfering in everyone's business, wiping their asses with international law and creating chaos everywhere they go is what's wrong with the picture and that's what caused Russia's reaction.

Now that Americans are getting bitch slapped in Syria and their "moderate" jihadists are getting crushed in Aleppo they use all the western propaganda tricks to turn Putin and Russia into bad guys. The problem is, Russians don't give a shit and that's something the US are not used to, hence the hysteria.
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If anything, it proves without a shadow of a doubt that negotiations and diplomacy - as Obama has attempted - don't work with Putin. He merely uses them to waste time to consolidate plans for his next operation. The only approach he understands is the language of strength, which is precisely what he will be up against if/when Hillary is President. Let's see how he fares with a new round of sanctions and a possible removal from the Swift banking system as a reward for attempting to influence the US elections.
 
Raoul said:
If anything, it proves without a shadow of a doubt that negotiations and diplomacy - as Obama has attempted - don't work with Putin. He merely uses them to waste time to consolidate plans for his next operation. The only approach he understands is the language of strength, which is precisely what he will be up against if/when Hillary is President. Let's see how he fares with a new round of sanctions and a possible removal from the Swift banking system as a reward for attempting to influence the US elections.
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I genuinely think if Clinton gets in that Russia will lose access to the Swift banking system, the effects of such a move are likely to be pretty dire for Russian banks.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
I genuinely think if Clinton gets in that Russia will lose access to the Swift banking system, the effects of such a move are likely to be pretty dire for Russian banks.
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Absolutely, it would hurl them back into antiquated 19th Century banking methods in terms of moving money around. Their economy, which is already weak as a result of Putin's corruption and the oil price, would be brought to its kneees within days.
 
Raoul said:
Absolutely, it would hurl them back into antiquated 19th Century banking methods in terms of moving money around. Their economy, which is already weak as a result of Putin's corruption and the oil price, would be brought to its kneees within days.
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It is in effect a step beyond sanctions and is close to economic warfare, I would be very interested to see Putin's reaction.

The West should have prepared the ground to do this during the early days of the occupation of Crimea, sanctions under Obama have been half hearted when a tougher line has been required.
 
"Russia’s threats, whether sugar-coated or not, are more than an attempt to talk tough on the international stage. The Russian government is evidently taking this potential war seriously; it beganemergency response exercises on Tuesday that included the participation of both government officials and citizens, according to the Russian government (it’s worth noting the details of this exercise were arguably exaggerated by Western media).

The United States, on the other hand, continues to play a dangerous game in pushing this war further than it needs to. The United States-led coalition has no legal basis to be operating militarily in Syria, whether through their own domestic legislative institutions or through the United Nations. Russian assistance was requested formally by the Assad regime, which currently holds the seat at the U.N. This gives the Russian campaign an air of legitimacy whether or not it is immoral.

Yet the United States continues to give itself a special privilege (which only Israel can rival) by insisting the U.S. military has the right to defend itself against Russian anti-missile defense systems within Syrian territory. Yet, they argue, the Syrian regime does not have the right to defend itself against multiple ground and air invasions within their own country."

http://anonhq.com/us-edges-dangerously-closer-war-russia-arent-told/
 
Genuine question to the Americans following this.
What are you being told that makes you think you're justified in, potentially, going to war with Russia. In someone else's country, so far away from your own.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
If you don't think the Russians are preparing for war then you are burying your head in the sand.
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That'd be pretty stupid because NATO's economic and military power are far superior to the Russians.
 
VorZakone said:
That'd be pretty stupid because NATO's economic and military power are far superior to the Russians.
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Stupid or not, Russia have drawn a line in the sand, their troops are alongside Assads, if they are attacked then that's an act of war. They would be stupid not to prepare. They're not provoking this.
 
MoBeats said:
Genuine question to the Americans following this.
What are you being told that makes you think you're justified in, potentially, going to war with Russia. In someone else's country, so far away from your own.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting going to war with Russia militarily. Although technically, both countries are already in conflict technologically and economically. Russia, through its cyber warfare proxies attached to its security services, is attempting to influence the US Presidential race by promoting a candidate favorable to Putin. Hacking email accounts and releasing information to embarrass certain politicians and alter public opinion is an information warfare method designed to create a certain political outcome. As is hacking into voter databases during elections to attempt to electronically change the vote count. All the aforementioned are acts of war which will be taken care of in the coming months. On the US side, the US has economic sanctions in place which Putin views as hostile, which is not coincidentally why he demanded they be removed. Both countries are already at war in a situation where only one of the countries has all the military, technological, and economic power - so I'll let you draw your own conclusions on how this thing to end.
 
MoBeats said:
Stupid or not, Russia have drawn a line in the sand, their troops are alongside Assads, if they are attacked then that's an act of war. They would be stupid not to prepare. They're not provoking this.
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Ummm......not saying Russia is the only one to blame but to say they are not provoking this is quite silly. Especially when in the same post you admit they have drawn a line in the sand. Again not saying they are solely to blame because they are not.

It takes two to tango as the old saying goes.
 
MoBeats said:
Genuine question to the Americans following this.
What are you being told that makes you think you're justified in, potentially, going to war with Russia. In someone else's country, so far away from your own.
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It's not a popular opinion in the U S that we should go to war with Russia. Of course the same question could be asked of Russian posters here since they also have sent troops far away from home where they could potentially go to war with the U.S.

Myself, I posted back at the beginning of the Syrian uprising that I did not want the U.S. involved in any way, shape or form.
 
MoBeats said:
i tend not to trust mainstream media that have vested interests very much.
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If you don't trust mainstream journalists then you are likely to be uninformed about the fundamental aspects of most issues.
 
Go on, tell me how the mainstream media are always truthful and don't have agendas, please go on.
 
MoBeats said:
i tend not to trust mainstream media that have vested interests very much.
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But sources which run articles like these:

Alien Agenda V: World Zionists Play Russian Roulette With Alien ETs

Totally trustworthy!
 
MoBeats said:
Go on, tell me how the mainstream media are always truthful and don't have agendas, please go on.
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Its not rocket science. Mainstream journalists who are accountable to social norms and editorial scrutiny are light years beyond your fringe wacko websites masquerading as "truthful information the mainstream media doesn't want you to know".
 
2cents said:
But sources which run articles like these:

Alien Agenda V: World Zionists Play Russian Roulette With Alien ETs

Totally trustworthy!
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I might trawl through every word you've said on this site and find out how much of it turns out to be Bollocks, doesn't mean you talk shite all the time.
 
Raoul said:
Its not rocket science. Mainstream journalists who are accountable to social norms and editorial scrutiny are light years beyond your fringe wacko websites masquerading as "truthful information the mainstream media doesn't want you to know".
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Ok mate, let's leave it there.
 
MoBeats said:
Genuine question to the Americans following this.
What are you being told that makes you think you're justified in, potentially, going to war with Russia. In someone else's country, so far away from your own.
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I am with MoBeats on this one. The US government likes to overthrow governments' of other countries if they are not pro-US. They will try to support opposition to make the overthrow look legitimate or they will just invade a country and make it look as if they are fighting for freedom of "oppressed" people. The results are always the same: thousands/millions killed, infrastructure of the "freed" country is ruined, UN Security Council issues resolutions which usually mean sweet feck all. Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria among the most recent ones - it will take decades to rebuild them. And nobody will return to back to life millions of people including soldiers who died thousands of miles away from their motherland. As for Putin in Syria: of course he is trying to protect Russia's only military base outside of the former USSR countries. Geopolitical conflicts: big boys show their muscles, innocent people suffer. No surprise really, been the same throughout the whole history of humanity. What a time to be alive...
As for WW III, it will not happen unless, there is a direct military conflict between Russia, US, China. Hopefully, this will not happen anytime soon. I am more worried about a potential financial crisis, which will have catastrophic consequences all over the world.
 
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Raoul said:
Absolutely, it would hurl them back into antiquated 19th Century banking methods in terms of moving money around. Their economy, which is already weak as a result of Putin's corruption and the oil price, would be brought to its kneees within days.
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Doesn't work like that with the Russians, more we try to hurt their economy more strength to Putin then he will go to the extreme like invading Ukraine and then what? War? We couldn't beat the talibans so a conventional war against the Russians in their territory would be a suicide .... nuclear? You see more we hurt the Russians less they have to lose. Like I said before, US are terrible with foreign policy and you just highlight that.
 
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